Florida on a downward spiral?

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Do you all think that Florida state's success in recruiting is crippling Florida, or is it the coaching change/bad year?
 
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I hope that FSU continues to only get better and better. Meanwhile, it wouldn't hurt if Miami arrived to the party as well. I think Florida's days of completely controlling the state's best talent are done.
 
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Shot0fClarity said:
I hope that FSU continues to only get better and better. Meanwhile, it wouldn't hurt if Miami arrived to the party as well. I think Florida's days of completely controlling the state's best talent are done.
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FSU's resurgence certainly puts a dent in it. And Miami will always pull at least some talent from that area. And, Florida just lost one of its recruiting heads to Ohio State.

We definitely have issues. It will be interesting to see how Muschamp deals with these issues as, if things aren't shored up quickly, we could have some serious problems.
 
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lawgator1 said:
FSU's resurgence certainly puts a dent in it. And Miami will always pull at least some talent from that area. And, Florida just lost one of its recruiting heads to Ohio State.

We definitely have issues. It will be interesting to see how Muschamp deals with these issues as, if things aren't shored up quickly, we could have some serious problems.
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Funny how this happens. If UT was in the same situation there would be a call for calm and patience. I'm on record with my thoughts about Muschamp, but one recruiting class outside the top 10 isn't going to cripple the program.

There will be a steep learning curve for Muschamp, just as there was/is for Dooley. It will be interesting to see if he is smart enough to handle it.
 
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I wish we'd get our tails down there and get some recruits as well...
Q; does mckeefery have connections in Florida?
 
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Lexvol said:
Funny how this happens. If UT was in the same situation there would be a call for calm and patience. I'm on record with my thoughts about Muschamp, but one recruiting class outside the top 10 isn't going to cripple the program.

There will be a steep learning curve for Muschamp, just as there was/is for Dooley. It will be interesting to see if he is smart enough to handle it.
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Cripple? No. But certainly in college football success breeds success. The best players want to be at the winning programs because they believe, sometimes correctly, that it increases the odds that they will play in the NFL.

Florida had a remarkable string of success, followed by some uncertainty, and then Meyer leaving on the heels of a very disappointing season. If we win the SECe next year, imo all is right with the world and we don't skip a beat.

But finish a weak second again and yuck.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Cripple? No. But certainly in college football success breeds success. The best players want to be at the winning programs because they believe, sometimes correctly, that it increases the odds that they will play in the NFL.

Florida had a remarkable string of success, followed by some uncertainty, and then Meyer leaving on the heels of a very disappointing season. If we win the SECe next year, imo all is right with the world and we don't skip a beat.

But finish a weak second again and yuck.
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In my most unbiased view....it will be very difficult for a first year coaching staff to win the East...at any school. Florida certainly has the talent in place to do it, but the odds are not in their favor (especially considering the offensive philosophy change). I think Georgia and Tennessee should be better next year. South Carolina/Spurrier will be the wildcard if Lattimore stays healthy.
 
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No one has as much talent as Florida in the east. First year coach or not, Muschamp just has to be sure not to over think it. Georgia has the horsepower to compete, nothing new. Garcia is back for his 7th year and USC least will have to be much better this season.

All in all look for the Alabama game in Gatorland to speak volumes on the season, as it did last year.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Cripple? No. But certainly in college football success breeds success. The best players want to be at the winning programs because they believe, sometimes correctly, that it increases the odds that they will play in the NFL.

Florida had a remarkable string of success, followed by some uncertainty, and then Meyer leaving on the heels of a very disappointing season. If we win the SECe next year, imo all is right with the world and we don't skip a beat.

But finish a weak second again and yuck.
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Well get ready for double yuck there kiddo...Hey hows that recruiting class shaping up? :whistling:
 
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Cyclopskiller said:
Do you all think that Florida state's success in recruiting is crippling Florida, or is it the coaching change/bad year?
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Didn't hurt them in 90's. FSU 1st, FL 4th. And FL had a tougher conference to play in.

1. Florida State: 109-13-1 .(890)
2. Nebraska: 108-16-1 (.868)
3. Marshall: 114-25-0 (.820)
4. Florida: 102-22-1 (.820)
 
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well it could be a start. they just came off of a worst season since the 80's and they're about to finish with the worst recruiting class in 20 years. post Tebow/Meyer syndrome is worse than I anticipated.
if they win 10 to 11 games next season they'll rise right back. another 7-8 win season next year and they'll be stuck in mediocrity for a while, aka Zook era part deux.

UF recruiting is OVER - no more commits says AndreuA - GatorCountry.com Swamp Gas Forums
 
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since 1980.....the top 5 winningest programs in the country are.....

1. nebraska
2. miami, fl
3. ohio state
4. florida
5. florida state

there is enough talent in the state to go around. florida was not responsible for fsu or miami being down and can't prevent them from coming back.

if florida had a recruiting class of 25, 8 would come from out of state. even if you got every in-state kid you wanted, there is more than enough talent to fuel a national player.

ucf and usf are no slouches either.
 
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The state produces about 300 D-1 players every year I believe. with UCF and South Florida getting stronger (beating UGA and Clemson in bowls this year- USF having the number 2 DT taken in the NFL draft this past year) that is now five D-1 teams going after the top 150 in the state. UF will find the cream players getting harder to get.
That plus FSU is getting better at player evaluations rather than taking rated stars (Bowden's own admission)

Dooleys strategy is a good one going hard after Georgia high Schools ,, trying to get 1-3 out of Florida every year.
 
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99gator said:
since 1980.....the top 5 winningest programs in the country are.....

1. nebraska
2. miami, fl
3. ohio state
4. florida
5. florida state

there is enough talent in the state to go around. florida was not responsible for fsu or miami being down and can't prevent them from coming back.

if florida had a recruiting class of 25, 8 would come from out of state. even if you got every in-state kid you wanted, there is more than enough talent to fuel a national player.

ucf and usf are no slouches either.
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They feed on non-qualifiers to the big three.
 
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The last time UF had so little buzz before NSD was 2005, Meyer's first season. The last time before that was 2002, Zook's first season. This is par for the course. A new coach comes in with limited time to build and maintain relationships, and the class is subpar relative to expectations. A better barometer of UF's program will be whether or not Muschamp can pull in stellar second year classes like Zook and Meyer did in '03 and '06.

What becomes clearer as time passes is just how badly UF's coaching staff mailed it in last season. Meyer stole $4M from my alma mater.

FSU will be a force in the coming years, but I expect Miami to slowly die on the vine. Their new coach has the personality of cardboard, no one goes to games unless they're winning, and only 40,000 show up if they are winning. Miami's history aside, the program today is no better than USF or UCF.

UF will struggle to win the East next season. That said, other than Spurrier there's not exactly a lineup of HoF coaches in our division right now. And Spurrier won the East with the best RB and WR he's ever had in Columbia, yet in true South Carolina fashion they still managed to lose 5 games.
 
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This thread is destined to be bumped,, one way or the other.
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Florida had such an incredible class last year, I think they can afford to take one "off" year of recruiting. I don't even think this is a bad recruiting season for them. They have some great talent....The minute you take your hands off a gator you're likely to get bit.
 
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Lexvol said:
Funny how this happens. If UT was in the same situation there would be a call for calm and patience. I'm on record with my thoughts about Muschamp, but one recruiting class outside the top 10 isn't going to cripple the program.

There will be a steep learning curve for Muschamp, just as there was/is for Dooley. It will be interesting to see if he is smart enough to handle it.
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On a 1-10 scale, can you give me your grade on Dooley, on his first year. And did he meet, or exceed your expectation? TIA.

Anyone feel free to chime in
 
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Escape Goat said:
On a 1-10 scale, can you give me your grade on Dooley, on his first year. And did he meet, or exceed your expectation? TIA.

Anyone feel free to chime in
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This past year was a push for me. He took over a train wreck and held it together. I feel that is all I could have asked for.

I will begin judging him this year.
 
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