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Many Tennessee Fans probably share my dissillusionment with this years football season. Indeed, many Tennessee fans in the Nashville were not suprised in the manner that Vanderbilt conducted themselves through their season as opposed to an individual Vol at the end of his. First, let me say the most important day of the year is not my child's birthday and not my wedding anniversary, its the firt game of the Tennessee season. I love college football! I never played at that level, I did play in high school and even went to the Johnny Majors football camp, but life did not grant me the talent to be a Vol. So I joined the Army. I'll come back to that. This year, is significant in two respects. The first is, I cannot remember, in my life, a worse record. The second is, this was one of the most talented teams I have seen in orange. The hell with the number three preseason ranking, those don't mean crap, its an honor but that is it. There is so much talent there, that I think, how can Walt Harris turn a Pittsburgh program around, how can Urban Meyer go to a BCS with the Utes, and how does Charlie Weiss take a mediocre team and remake a pwerhouse. I could go on and on, but then again I could also be over dramatic. My point is, these guys did more with less. Assistant coaches play a big part in a team's success, look at coach Chavez, but the head coach must take responsibility for shortfalls. In the Army that is called leadership, asking people to do things that they normally cannot or will not do. This season, there were leaders on the field, some had limited talent, Rick Clausen I would fight a war with you, but off the field I am ashamed to say that the head coach of my favorite football program did not measure up. It is hard to critisize one of the winningest coaches in the game sometimes, but I feel obligated. Having devoted time to the TV and money in sports paraphenalia, someone must bear the flag. Regime change, should it be considered as a matter of policy? I must know, am I the only one out there and am I off point? I only know what I saw, and heard, I caught the Miss game on the radio. Please reply, I would also like to know if anyone believes that Darth Spurrier could ever build a home near the university and what a Spurrier Coached Tennessee team would accomplish. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
 
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Coach Spurrier could have done scary, scary things with this year's VOLS... See Florida from the mid 90's - almost unstoppable.

Look at what he did with bargain basement talent at Carolina.
 
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Originally posted by Vol 4 Life@Nov 25, 2005 9:08 PM
Coach Spurrier could have done scary, scary things with this year's VOLS...  See Florida from the mid 90's - almost unstoppable.

Look at what he did with bargain basement talent at Carolina.
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Yes it would be scary..but some of SC's rise has to do with UF, and UT being down this yr.
 
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Originally posted by NCGatorBait@Nov 25, 2005 8:21 PM
Yes it would be scary..but some of SC's rise has to do with UF, and UT being down this yr.
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You're right, but they also played Georgia very tough.
 
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Originally posted by NCGatorBait@Nov 25, 2005 9:21 PM
Yes it would be scary..but some of SC's rise has to do with UF, and UT being down this yr.
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I whole heartedly agree, but South Carolina has no where near the talent that the Vols do and I would insist that Tennessee had more talent that Florida as well. Remember, those were first year coaches and the Tennessee staff was well established. Like Cato, I will end my blogs from this moment on with the statement "Fulmer must be fired."
 
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Originally posted by Vol 4 Life@Nov 25, 2005 9:29 PM
You're right, but they also played Georgia very tough.
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Yeah he almost pulled that one out on the road...COY for sure in the SEC..and maybe the Nation.
 
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Spurrier would have probably kicked 20 kids off the team and worried about the APR later. Fulmer did not do a good job and has admitted it. He also says he's making changes so time will tell. If we have another season like this one, he'll likely be gone. What else needs to be said? He will not be fired this year...even Donald Trump wouldn't fire him.

And while I understand that you invested a lot of time in front of a TV and a few dollars buying caps, tshirts, etc., there are many that actually donated a good chunk of change to the program (real $) and spend a lot of time and money driving 4 hours each week (one way) and putting up hundreds of dollars on hotels, food and souveniers, so don't think you have a claim on the program's personnel issues based on that.
 
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Originally posted by TEXAS17Khandahar@Nov 25, 2005 9:32 PM
I whole heartedly agree, but South Carolina has no where near the talent that the Vols do and I would insist that Tennessee had more talent that Florida as well. Remember, those were first year coaches and the Tennessee staff was well established. Like Cato, I will end my blogs from this moment on with the statement "Fulmer must be fired."
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i would also lik to add: inconsistency, poor discipline on and off the field, and predictable play calling are things that indicate a shortfall in coaching. playing well against somone that you should not have lost to does little to console the inconsolable, and fulmer must be fired.
 
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Originally posted by BHAMVOLFAN@Nov 25, 2005 9:38 PM
Spurrier would have probably kicked 20 kids off the team and worried about the APR later.  Fulmer did not do a good job and has admitted it.  He also says he's making changes so time will tell.  If we have another season like this one, he'll likely be gone.  What else needs to be said? He will not be fired this year...even Donald Trump wouldn't fire him. 

And while I understand that you invested a lot of time in front of a TV and a few dollars buying caps, tshirts, etc., there are many that actually donated a good chunk of change to the program (real $) and spend a lot of time and money driving 4 hours each week (one way) and putting up hundreds of dollars on hotels, food and souveniers, so don't think you have a claim on the program's personnel issues based on that.
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I believe that since Tennessee recieves state funding, and that some of the money that I pass to the state in sales tax and capital gains tax directly or indirectly finds its way to the program gives me a plausible right to assert my opinion (plus my accountant was a UT graduate). And since you, obviously, spend more money in these areas than me I encourage you and others to continue to do so, it will only lead to a stronger program. My point is leadership is lacking, players who possess leadership are not developing to their full potential. There are two places in college that you can learn real leadership, one is in ROTC and the other is the athletic field. When a team is penalized like UT, and players do not mature as leaders in three years as lettermen, then that is not occurring. It has been a progressive trend, not a phenomena charachterisitc of this year alone. And most of all it is not a personel problem, the talent is there. Good coaching is doing more with what you have not less than your capable.
 
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Joe Pa should get the nod over Spurrier.

USC did great this year but was still 7-4
 
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I agree. Joe Pa was basically a questionable call and 1 second away from going 11-0.
 
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Originally posted by TEXAS17Khandahar@Nov 25, 2005 7:30 PM
First, let me say the most important day of the year is not my child's birthday and not my wedding anniversary, its the firt game of the Tennessee season.
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I hope your wife and kids don't lurk on Volnation :lol:
 
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Originally posted by MyBloodRunnethOrange@Nov 25, 2005 10:35 PM
I hope your wife and kids don't lurk on Volnation :lol:
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Good one Bloody. If you are still in Afghanistan, Tex, we appreciate your loyalty to the Vols but you should check your priorities. I am in agreement that it would be interesting to speculate what another coach would be able to do with the talent that Coach Fulmer has recruited to the Hill. People say how many National Championships would the Vols have if Stevie boy was the coach of our teams. However, Coach Fulmer was the guy that got these players here. I'm sure Coach has had a lot of sleepless nights with the unexpected losses from this year. The brutal truth is he can't make any plays on the field, the players must do that, but he has to take responsibility for the losses. Therefore, he has some tough decisions to make in the near future as to what direction this program is to make. Hopefully he will make the correct decisions, if not, it is incumbent upon him to pass the baton!!!
 
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Originally posted by TEXAS17Khandahar@Nov 25, 2005 9:14 PM
I believe that since Tennessee recieves state funding, and that some of the money that I pass to the state in sales tax and capital gains tax directly or indirectly finds its way to the program gives me a plausible right to assert my opinion (plus my accountant was a UT graduate). And since you, obviously, spend more money in these areas than me I encourage you and others to continue to do so, it will only lead to a stronger program. My point is leadership is lacking, players who possess leadership are not developing to their full potential. There are two places in college that you can learn real leadership, one is in ROTC and the other is the athletic field. When a team is penalized like UT, and players do not mature as leaders in three years as lettermen, then that is not occurring. It has been a progressive trend, not a phenomena charachterisitc of this year alone. And most of all it is not a personel problem, the talent is there. Good coaching is doing more with what you have not less than your capable.
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I agree. I've felt that a 'meltdown' season was on its way for a couple years now because of the lack of discipline in the football program, but I thought it was more likely to have happened last year and not this year. After last year's good results, I didn't think it would happen this year due to the strong D and Ainge coming into his own as a QB. Instead that never happened and the D was left on the field way too long and it always showed in the 4th qtr.

Spurrier, as much as I dislike him, has a great offensive mind and seems to be able to keep his players out of trouble. He took over UF while they were on probation, and has penalties to deal with now at SoCar. To have had the results he's had AND keep the players out of trouble speaks volumes.

But I don't think he'd ever coach the Vols. From what I understand he moved to TN from FLA when in Jr. High, and hated it the entire time he was here and couldn't wait to leave to go back to live in FLA and play for UF. He hasn't lived here since he was 17 yrs old.
 
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Originally posted by JohnsonCityVol@Nov 25, 2005 11:02 PM
I agree. I've felt that a 'meltdown' season was on its way for a couple years now because of the lack of discipline in the football program, but I thought it was more likely to have happened last year and not this year. After last year's good results, I didn't think it would happen this year due to the strong D and Ainge coming into his own as a QB. Instead that never happened and the D was left on the field way too long and it always showed in the 4th qtr.

Spurrier, as much as I dislike him, has a great offensive mind and seems to be able to keep his players out of trouble. He took over UF while they were on probation, and has penalties to deal with now at SoCar. To have had the results he's had AND keep the players out of trouble speaks volumes.

But I don't think he'd ever coach the Vols. From what I understand he moved to TN from FLA when in Jr. High, and hated it the entire time he was here and couldn't wait to leave to go back to live in FLA and play for UF.  He hasn't lived here since he was 17 yrs old.
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I think the reason he left Tennessee was we were still running the single wing offense at UT when he came out of HS. He still has a brother in Johnson City who used to call in to a Nashville Sports show occasionally. His dad was a preacher.
 
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What I've always heard, correct me if I'm wrong, is that Spurrier (from Johnson City) always wanted to play for the Vols but he wasn't recruited and felt rejected. Went to the Gators, won the Heisman and has always felt the need to stick it to us since we spurned him. Any truth to that?
 
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UT did run the single wing back then, but they were one of the last Div 1 schools to do so. They did not recruit Steve-O, but they didn't recruit any pure passers for the single wing. Of course, Tennessee changed offenses within 2 yrs of that, so had he went to UT, he eventually would have been playing in a 'modern' type offense, and could have added his name to the list of Heisman runners-up that played at UT. (kidding on the last part! Put the flamethrower down, please?)

I thought he went to UF because 1) he was originally from there and 2) he could play in a modern offense there and 3) he never wanted to go to UT because he did not fit their offense at all.

My uncle went to school with him, and my dad played against him. From what I understand, he never liked living here.
 
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Can't believe I don't remember this, but I think Spurrier's family is from Johnson City, TN. He has relatives there and grandparents; so I would think he grew up there. I've never known of him ever have been in FL until college.

 
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Spurriers system relies on a good QB, i dont know if you've watched this year lol but thats one thing we dont have
 
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Originally posted by mattvols@Nov 26, 2005 3:48 AM
Spurriers system relies on a good QB, i dont know if you've watched this year lol but thats one thing we dont have
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I don't know if you watched in 2004, but EA has the ability to be a good QB. The one thing he's missing is a good QB coach to teach him how.
 
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SOS was born in FL., graduated from Science-Hill High in Johnson City, TN. & was recruited by UT, UF & others. And yes his father was indeed a preacher.

UT (much like today) was running an antiquated offensive scheme & he opted for UF. Of course later on he won the Heisman.

Now back to UT's situation. Hard for me to think anyone regardless of how loyal a UT Fan couldn't see UT's slippage coming. Or at least the 30 year old mold that's been growing on our unproductive offensive scheme. The offense has become too predictable & too slow in developing. Facts are the "system" is 30 plus years old & I ask WHO has UT had on the offensive staff recently innovative enough to update it? Proper answer is absolutely no one. I do believe Coach Cut's (apparent) return will result in improvement, but ultimately will prove to be the wrong move. UT's entire Offensive Staff needs new blood & some innovative offensive thinkers, not warmed oatmeal.

In any case, it can't get too much worse.
 
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Originally posted by RealVol@Nov 26, 2005 8:21 AM
SOS was born in FL., graduated from Science-Hill High in Johnson City, TN. & was recruited by UT, UF & others. And yes his father was indeed a preacher.

UT (much like today) was running an antiquated offensive scheme & he opted for UF. Of course later on he won the Heisman.

Now back to UT's situation. Hard for me to think anyone regardless of how loyal a UT Fan couldn't see UT's slippage coming. Or at least the 30 year old mold that's been growing on our unproductive offensive scheme. The offense has become too predictable & too slow in developing. Facts are the "system" is 30 plus years old & I ask WHO has UT had on the offensive staff recently innovative enough to update it? Proper answer is absolutely no one. I do believe Coach Cut's (apparent) return will result in improvement, but ultimately will prove to be the wrong move. UT's entire Offensive Staff needs new blood & some innovative offensive thinkers, not warmed oatmeal.

In any case, it can't get too much worse.
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Prime example of the offense's staleness is the WR screen that they throw often. It used to work to great effect (except when thrown to Benji Shuler :eek:lol: ), but defenses have no problem defending it now and the results is a 3 yard loss more often than not.

It is time for a new system. Fulmer, like Majors was toward the end of his career here, is too set in his ways and won't do what needs to be done to right the ship. Therefore we are going to go with Cutcliffe, which might be an improvement, but will be more of the same old same old.
 
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"Coach" is a liar and egomaniac and I know this personally! He lies to kids in the recruiting and their parents also. Don't make him the saint he's not. If he really was a "Tennessee" guy, he resign ASAP! EGO-EGO
 
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Originally posted by hmanvolfan@Nov 26, 2005 1:37 AM
What I've always heard, correct me if I'm wrong, is that Spurrier (from Johnson City) always wanted to play for the Vols but he wasn't recruited and felt rejected. Went to the Gators, won the Heisman and has always felt the need to stick it to us since we spurned him. Any truth to that?
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Spurrier was recruited by TN, whoever the bozo was that TN sent to JC to talk to Spurrier had alcohol on his breath and that was that. True story.
 
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