For all the Haters..

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When will you learn, Tennessee? When does it finally sink in that you just hired a coach that not only has won championships everywhere he has coached, he did so without breaking NCAA rules and without the benefit of tradition, elite facilities and deep pocket administrative support.

You know, all the things he’ll get at Tennessee.


The Vols’ practice bubble is a better facility than Nippert Stadium at Cincinnati, where Jones’ teams won a share of the Big East title the last two years. Tennessee’s weight room and new football operations building is bigger and better than anything they could fathom at Central Michigan, where Jones won two MAC championships—and where the current coach has won 12 games in three seasons since.

Yet when Jones was introduced, he was peppered with these insightful questions:

Will your system work in the SEC? Can you recruit in the SEC? Are you concerned you weren’t the first choice? How fast can you win?

Everyone wants everything at once. And no one wants to work to get it.

Jones met with Tennessee athletic director Dave Hart at 10 p.m. on the night before he was officially hired. He had just backed away from a mentally taxing few days of discussions and deliberations with Colorado, and eventually a decision by he and his wife Barbara to say no.

Jones and Hart stayed up through the night to talk about the plan, the specifics, and the goal of bringing a once dominant Tennessee program back to life. They finally agreed to part at 6 a.m., a full eight hours after Jones first began to explain why his system has been successful everywhere he has coached.

It’s about players: recruiting and developing and mentoring. Six years as a head coach, four conference championships.




From the article.
 
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this article is taking a shot at the Vol fan base because we want to be a competetive program. nice. also, Fulmer got lazy in recruiting and let the SEC catch up and pass him by in every aspect of the game. no sympathy for him, only gratitude for his accomplishments. i like CBJ. we do need his attitude, enthusiasm, and confidence. he needs a national stage to prove that he has the ability to be a national champion. that part of the article, i agree with. its just not because we need everything now. we just need a good coach to believe in.
 
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I still don't understand why, if you're not overjoyed with this hire, you're a hater. Aren't we all Vol fans? Some of us feel a little jaded by the way process went down. We\me that are supposed "haters" saw Hart sit on his butt for a month and went after who was left. He (Jones) might be the greatest coach to ever grace the Vol sidelines, but I for one remain sceptical until I see some results. Rewind this to three years ago. Were we all in for Dooley? If not, were we haters then too? I'm not going to buy into anything sight unseen. I remember the excitement that preceeded Kiffin. We were all in. Now fast forward to today. In the words of Roger Daltry....I "won't get fooled again".
 
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One problem I have with the hire of CBJ is that he has a much lower winning percentage than his predecessor, Brian Kelly. Kelly winning % is 74.535 whereas CBJ is at 64%. Plus CBJ did not do as well at Cincy as Kelly.

I would venture to say that this critical post will get me flamed so go ahead and flame away.
 
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I still don't understand why, if you're not overjoyed with this hire, you're a hater. Aren't we all Vol fans? Some of us feel a little jaded by the way process went down. We\me that are supposed "haters" saw Hart sit on his butt for a month and went after who was left. He (Jones) might be the greatest coach to ever grace the Vol sidelines, but I for one remain sceptical until I see some results. Rewind this to three years ago. Were we all in for Dooley? If not, were we haters then too? I'm not going to buy into anything sight unseen. I remember the excitement that preceeded Kiffin. We were all in. Now fast forward to today. In the words of Roger Daltry....I "won't get fooled again".

To be fair, do we all know that Hart sat on his butt for a month just because he held his cards close to the vest? No. But, just because that's the perception doesn't mean it's true. Just becasue we didn't get who all the fan base wanted doesn't mean Hart drug his feet and missed the mark. I'm just trying to shed light on both sides of the arguement. There's too many fans that are up in arms because Hart wasn't giving a real-time update of his schedule with all of this, so that apparently equates to Hart being a neanderthal slack off.
 
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I still don't understand why, if you're not overjoyed with this hire, you're a hater. Aren't we all Vol fans? Some of us feel a little jaded by the way process went down. We\me that are supposed "haters" saw Hart sit on his butt for a month and went after who was left. He (Jones) might be the greatest coach to ever grace the Vol sidelines, but I for one remain sceptical until I see some results. Rewind this to three years ago. Were we all in for Dooley? If not, were we haters then too? I'm not going to buy into anything sight unseen. I remember the excitement that preceeded Kiffin. We were all in. Now fast forward to today. In the words of Roger Daltry....I "won't get fooled again".

Sorry. Have to do this. Those are the words of Pete Townshend
 
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this article is taking a shot at the Vol fan base because we want to be a competetive program. nice. also, Fulmer got lazy in recruiting and let the SEC catch up and pass him by in every aspect of the game. no sympathy for him, only gratitude for his accomplishments. i like CBJ. we do need his attitude, enthusiasm, and confidence. he needs a national stage to prove that he has the ability to be a national champion. that part of the article, i agree with. its just not because we need everything now. we just need a good coach to believe in.

2002: #2
2003: #18
2004: #20
2005: #4
2006: #23
2007: #3
2008: #35

Minus the last one, that's top 25 recruiting classes every year. With 3 top 5 classes in there. Yeah, his recruiting was really that bad.
 
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Hart sit on his butt for a month and went after who was left.

How do you know what Hart was doing prior to hiring Jones? Just because he didn't involve you in the process doesn't mean he was "sitting on his butt."
 
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Saying that the facilities, money, etc. are better than at Cincinnati ignores the fact that the same elements for his competitors are better as well. Like Jones or not, "Tennessee has more resources than [insert previous school]" is exactly what people said in support of Dooley. Alabama has more resources than Louisville does as well.
 
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One problem I have with the hire of CBJ is that he has a much lower winning percentage than his predecessor, Brian Kelly. Kelly winning % is 74.535 whereas CBJ is at 64%. Plus CBJ did not do as well at Cincy as Kelly.

I would venture to say that this critical post will get me flamed so go ahead and flame away.



I believe that bUTch is comparable to Urban Crier, but the one difference is that Urban Crier had fertile recruiting grounds in Florida and bUTch does not. So, it may take U.T. longer to recover.

However; if you chose to not believe in bUTch, then at least adopt the idea that he will bring to progam in to a recovery mode and if he can't get it done, then the next hire will build on what Jones has done and take us over the hump. I personally believe that he is NOT a miracle worker and if we remain patient, then he will eventually bring us back to respectablilty
 
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I still don't understand why, if you're not overjoyed with this hire, you're a hater. Aren't we all Vol fans? Some of us feel a little jaded by the way process went down. We\me that are supposed "haters" saw Hart sit on his butt for a month and went after who was left. He (Jones) might be the greatest coach to ever grace the Vol sidelines, but I for one remain sceptical until I see some results. Rewind this to three years ago. Were we all in for Dooley? If not, were we haters then too? I'm not going to buy into anything sight unseen. I remember the excitement that preceeded Kiffin. We were all in. Now fast forward to today. In the words of Roger Daltry....I "won't get fooled again".

I do like the hire, but I am wait and see on Jones. The highlighted phrase bolded above shows you don't know wtf you are talking about.
 
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2002: #2
2003: #18
2004: #20
2005: #4
2006: #23
2007: #3
2008: #35

Minus the last one, that's top 25 recruiting classes every year. With 3 top 5 classes in there. Yeah, his recruiting was really that bad.

Top 25 is a horrible standard. It should be fairly easy to pull top 15 classes here on a regular basis.
 
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I still don't understand why, if you're not overjoyed with this hire, you're a hater. Aren't we all Vol fans? Some of us feel a little jaded by the way process went down. We\me that are supposed "haters" saw Hart sit on his butt for a month and went after who was left. He (Jones) might be the greatest coach to ever grace the Vol sidelines, but I for one remain sceptical until I see some results. Rewind this to three years ago. Were we all in for Dooley? If not, were we haters then too? I'm not going to buy into anything sight unseen. I remember the excitement that preceeded Kiffin. We were all in. Now fast forward to today. In the words of Roger Daltry....I "won't get fooled again".

There ought to be a "Haters" thread for Mike Hamilton since it was he, using his brilliant AD skillset, that brought us Kiffin and Dooley. After rightfully canning PF, he should have searched for a real coach, doing a "real" search. But he failed at coaching searches on almost every attempt, except perhaps with Pearl, and even that hire has been costly in the end. So, haters thread emphasis should be on MH.
 
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I still don't understand why, if you're not overjoyed with this hire, you're a hater. Aren't we all Vol fans? Some of us feel a little jaded by the way process went down. We\me that are supposed "haters" saw Hart sit on his butt for a month and went after who was left. He (Jones) might be the greatest coach to ever grace the Vol sidelines, but I for one remain sceptical until I see some results. Rewind this to three years ago. Were we all in for Dooley? If not, were we haters then too? I'm not going to buy into anything sight unseen. I remember the excitement that preceeded Kiffin. We were all in. Now fast forward to today. In the words of Roger Daltry....I "won't get fooled again".

Some are loyal fans, some at not. Some have faith, some do not. Some are willing to support the football program, coaches, and players, some are not. Some realize that positive attitudes and actions can help. some do not.Some are proud to be Tennessee fans, some are not. I have seen the ups and downs since 1946 and look forward to Coach Jones and his brand of football, some do not.
 
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One problem I have with the hire of CBJ is that he has a much lower winning percentage than his predecessor, Brian Kelly. Kelly winning % is 74.535 whereas CBJ is at 64%. Plus CBJ did not do as well at Cincy as Kelly.

I would venture to say that this critical post will get me flamed so go ahead and flame away.

im no stat guy, but that seems pretty dang good to keep a winning percentage and stay competitive after taking over a program. losing a name like Brian Kelly is a HUGE hit to mid tier program. Jones kept the ship sailing.
 
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To be fair, do we all know that Hart sat on his butt for a month just because he held his cards close to the vest? No. But, just because that's the perception doesn't mean it's true. Just becasue we didn't get who all the fan base wanted doesn't mean Hart drug his feet and missed the mark. I'm just trying to shed light on both sides of the arguement. There's too many fans that are up in arms because Hart wasn't giving a real-time update of his schedule with all of this, so that apparently equates to Hart being a neanderthal slack off.

It was the way the press conf. went. He gave us the perception that he had his man, or he had a clue who that man was. The two he publicly went after both said no. It seemed to me that he was being arrogant. All he had to do was mention that Tennessee was interested and they would jump at the chance. When both said no, it appears, he looked around to see who was left. He had over a month to convince his men that they should come here. I know that I'm not going to sway anyone, I just get more than a little offended when some on here describe me as a hater when I've been a fan for over 40 years.
 
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