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I understand it's easy to get caught up in how many stars guys have, and I have a tendency to do it myself quite often. It is currently the best way we have at judging high school talent, and the truth is 4 star and 5 star guys have a better chance at being great players then the 2 and 3 star guys quite obviously. HOWEVER, we have to realize that sometimes it's not about winning a championship on paper and the guys that we are signing right now are at NEED POSITIONS. We knew coming into this season that we had a lot of depth needs to address, so even though we probably aren't realistically gonna have a "rivals top 10" class, this is still shaping up to be a very good class for us. So take a chill pill guys and GO VOLS.
 
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on the other side... Stars and Offer Sheets usually go hand in hand (usually). Most beefs tend to be with the other offers not just stars
 
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Well, we had a "Rivals top 10 class" the last two seasons. Though we have had deflections, but are now adding on.
 
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I love seeing a ton of stars as well and I would certainly prefer seeing 4 star DT's over 3 star DT's, however with the level of attrition we've seen the last few years we just need bodies in the worst way.
 
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I'm not hating on dudes that have a lot of stars next to their names or the recruiting services for that matter. I'm just saying that our needs are going to dictate how outsiders view our class this year. It likely won't be a top 10 class because we have to load up on lineman, and we just aren't gonna sign 12 4-star lineman..... sorry but it's not going to happen. At this point our depth is so shot I will take a 5.5 3-star DT over a 4-star WR any day, you can't look at how many stars Carson has and say, "Oh well they had no Florida or Bama offer so they aren't good and we can't win with them." You ever stop to think that Florida and Bama probably haven't offered because THEY HAVE MORE THAN 7 F***** DEFENSIVE TACKLES ON CAMPUS RIGHT NOW!!!!! We have to take guys like this simply for depth at this point and you guys are acting like we have the luxury to just not sign people. He is a solid get at a need position.
 
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They gave the movie "The English Patient" 5 stars and Oscars...Are you freakin kidding me???

I am with you WindyCity, we all get caught up in the stars. We all like our information in a nice concise STAR rating system. You gotta get down in the thang and dig up the information. One kid fits well in one program, one would fail. Stars mean something until the first kickoff of the season.

Then it is, well is the a team with heart? Or just a team with stars?
 
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We should be happy with the commits we have so far. We are addressing our needs and IMO doing a damn good job. Dooley has yet to put a team on the field but has several big time prospects highly interested in what's going on with the vols. Give him time and we will land some big names.
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windycityvol said:
I understand it's easy to get caught up in how many stars guys have, and I have a tendency to do it myself quite often. It is currently the best way we have at judging high school talent, and the truth is 4 star and 5 star guys have a better chance at being great players then the 2 and 3 star guys quite obviously. HOWEVER, we have to realize that sometimes it's not about winning a championship on paper and the guys that we are signing right now are at NEED POSITIONS. We knew coming into this season that we had a lot of depth needs to address, so even though we probably aren't realistically gonna have a "rivals top 10" class, this is still shaping up to be a very good class for us.
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Stars and recruiting rankings, in general, usually do mean more wins for the teams that get them. Like you say, it's more likely for a 4 or 5 star player to end up being great than a 3 star. You have to look at the #'s because there's so many more 1star-3star players than 4star-5star.... but percentage-wise I'll take a 4* or 5* over a 2* or 3* any day (I'm talking blind-nil here... no specific player comparison just drawing a player out of a hat).

That being said... I'm not sure I agree that we cannot "expect" to get a top 10 class or 5* players. We're still Tennessee. [Previous UT staff] did it after a rocky ending to the Fulmer-era. Dooley's done it with Nash Nance as his bait. So it is possible.... think about it: Bruce Pearl signed Chism, Ramar Smith, and Duke Crews who were all 4-5 star rated guys in his second year as coach (really his first full signing class). No one cared about UT b-ball before Pearl. So if you're good, you're good. I don't like hearing excuses about where our program is or how rough it's been lately.

I don't expect a top 10 class simply because I don't think Dooley's current staff can recruit as well as [Previous UT staff] right now. That being said I think we'll sign a top 15 class. We have solid recruiters but just not quite as good at getting the "home-run / can't miss" type guys (i.e. Janzen Jackson, Bryce Brown, Anthony Johnson, etc). I'd compare them more to Fulmer's late recruiting classes (character guys, a lot of depth guys, etc) right now... there's nothing in the rule book that says that can't change over time though.

JMO
 
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MrBamSeydu said:
Stars and recruiting rankings, in general, usually do mean more wins for the teams that get them. Like you say, it's more likely for a 4 or 5 star player to end up being great than a 3 star. You have to look at the #'s because there's so many more 1star-3star players than 4star-5star.... but percentage-wise I'll take a 4* or 5* over a 2* or 3* any day (I'm talking blind-nil here... no specific player comparison just drawing a player out of a hat).

That being said... I'm not sure I agree that we cannot "expect" to get a top 10 class or 5* players. We're still Tennessee. [Previous UT staff] did it after a rocky ending to the Fulmer-era. Dooley's done it with Nash Nance as his bait. So it is possible.... think about it: Bruce Pearl signed Chism, Ramar Smith, and Duke Crews who were all 4-5 star rated guys in his second year as coach (really his first full signing class). No one cared about UT b-ball before Pearl. So if you're good, you're good. I don't like hearing excuses about where our program is or how rough it's been lately.

I don't expect a top 10 class simply because I don't think Dooley's current staff can recruit as well as [Previous UT staff] right now. That being said I think we'll sign a top 15 class. We have solid recruiters but just not quite as good at getting the "home-run / can't miss" type guys (i.e. Janzen Jackson, Bryce Brown, Anthony Johnson, etc). I'd compare them more to Fulmer's late recruiting classes (character guys, a lot of depth guys, etc) right now... there's nothing in the rule book that says that can't change over time though.

JMO
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isnt a lot of that attributed to the fact that we cant risk striking out on the top guys? with how bad we lack depth, we have to make sure we sign guys at positions of need. therefore, dooley probably spends more time recruiting the middle level guys that we have a much better chance at getting, simply to provide us with some depth. if he wasted a lot of time on the top level guys that were hit or miss, he might not be able to pull them OR the middle level guys, and we would be in an even worse place. i feel like once we get back to the point where we arent severely lacking depth, he will start bringing in more top guys.
 
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MrBamSeydu said:
Stars and recruiting rankings, in general, usually do mean more wins for the teams that get them. Like you say, it's more likely for a 4 or 5 star player to end up being great than a 3 star. You have to look at the #'s because there's so many more 1star-3star players than 4star-5star.... but percentage-wise I'll take a 4* or 5* over a 2* or 3* any day (I'm talking blind-nil here... no specific player comparison just drawing a player out of a hat).

That being said... I'm not sure I agree that we cannot "expect" to get a top 10 class or 5* players. We're still Tennessee. [Previous UT staff] did it after a rocky ending to the Fulmer-era. Dooley's done it with Nash Nance as his bait. So it is possible.... think about it: Bruce Pearl signed Chism, Ramar Smith, and Duke Crews who were all 4-5 star rated guys in his second year as coach (really his first full signing class). No one cared about UT b-ball before Pearl. So if you're good, you're good. I don't like hearing excuses about where our program is or how rough it's been lately.

I don't expect a top 10 class simply because I don't think Dooley's current staff can recruit as well as [Previous UT staff] right now. That being said I think we'll sign a top 15 class. We have solid recruiters but just not quite as good at getting the "home-run / can't miss" type guys (i.e. Janzen Jackson, Bryce Brown, Anthony Johnson, etc). I'd compare them more to Fulmer's late recruiting classes (character guys, a lot of depth guys, etc) right now... there's nothing in the rule book that says that can't change over time though.

JMO
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I agree wholeheartedly that higher star players typically lead to more success and I'm not saying that we can't expect to EVER have top 10 classes, I was more strictly focusing on this season. IMO Our needs strongly dictate the fact that we have to take players of lesser "caliber" this year to add depth at key positions. So even though we may sign more 3 stars this year and fall short of the average fans expectations, which would be a top ten class, we can still fill our needs with 3 star players and wind up with a very good class this year.
 
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I like Orion's Belt personally...although the Big Dipper always has been a favorite of mine...oh wait. Not that kind of star? Oh oh ok...
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This a great post and 100% spot on. I think this class will be a Top 20 to Top 15 but right now its looks more like CDD is going after OL's and DL's which is what we need. We are really in good shape at the skill positions. I'd say he'll try and grab a few LB's and some good corners. All in all I the CDD is doing a great job, now if he can coach em up we'll be in good shape
 
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MrBamSeydu said:
Stars and recruiting rankings, in general, usually do mean more wins for the teams that get them. Like you say, it's more likely for a 4 or 5 star player to end up being great than a 3 star. You have to look at the #'s because there's so many more 1star-3star players than 4star-5star.... but percentage-wise I'll take a 4* or 5* over a 2* or 3* any day (I'm talking blind-nil here... no specific player comparison just drawing a player out of a hat).

That being said... I'm not sure I agree that we cannot "expect" to get a top 10 class or 5* players. We're still Tennessee. [Previous UT staff] did it after a rocky ending to the Fulmer-era. Dooley's done it with Nash Nance as his bait. So it is possible.... think about it: Bruce Pearl signed Chism, Ramar Smith, and Duke Crews who were all 4-5 star rated guys in his second year as coach (really his first full signing class). No one cared about UT b-ball before Pearl. So if you're good, you're good. I don't like hearing excuses about where our program is or how rough it's been lately.

I don't expect a top 10 class simply because I don't think Dooley's current staff can recruit as well as [Previous UT staff] right now. That being said I think we'll sign a top 15 class. We have solid recruiters but just not quite as good at getting the "home-run / can't miss" type guys (i.e. Janzen Jackson, Bryce Brown, Anthony Johnson, etc). I'd compare them more to Fulmer's late recruiting classes (character guys, a lot of depth guys, etc) right now... there's nothing in the rule book that says that can't change over time though.

JMO
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I agree with most of what you said, but there are a couple of things that I see differently. First of all, in our minds and hearts we still are TN, but to a lot of top recruits we are a football program that is down. They want to go where they believe they can win a NC and they don't see that right now at UT. That is going to make it harder to get them here this year until they see the product on the field and how the coaches work. We will get our share of 4*this year that will go a long way for the recruiting class for next year. Second of all, I don't agree with that fact that CDD isn't recruiting as good as the last bunch of clowns. Under the present conditions I think he has done a remarkable job filling needs for next year and how he kept last years class together and also added couple of big time recruits is to says a lot about his recruiting ability. This years class is not all in yet and I believe he will close strong with great foundation to build on for the following year. JMO
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