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interesting the rather large difference between some services on the same guy.
 
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Actually, I don't find any these recruiting site reliable. Sure if you recruits nothing but 5* and 4* (Alabama) you are statistically favored to produce a good team. However, most of the football players out there can not attend all the combines, and I find them so far off from each other on most of the players that it almost support the idea, they are clueless past the "Top 10" players. I think many coaches (Butch) place heavier weight on other aspects of a player vs. just athletic ability. It's like fantasy football, only fantasy recruiting....you never know how a 17-18 year old boy will react to Div I football.

When Fulmer started to look more at these recruiting sites vs. doing his own evaluations........well, enough said.

Go Vols!!
 
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Smokey X said:
LWS...do you mind refreshing my memory on what criteria you are using or how you are filtering the spreadsheet...reason being as an example: The VN front page shows 21 signees for the 2016 class but the spreadsheet only shows 6. thx in advance
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No, he is correct, based on all this "stuff" none of it really means anything, so he just supported my theory.....no one really quality controls their work any more.......they just post it and hope people like you won't catch it.......good catch by the way :)
 
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FlyFishnVol said:
Actually, I don't find any these recruiting site reliable. Sure if you recruits nothing but 5* and 4* (Alabama) you are statistically favored to produce a good team. However, most of the football players out there can not attend all the combines, and I find them so far off from each other on most of the players that it almost support the idea, they are clueless past the "Top 10" players. I think many coaches (Butch) place heavier weight on other aspects of a player vs. just athletic ability. It's like fantasy football, only fantasy recruiting....you never know how a 17-18 year old boy will react to Div I football.

When Fulmer started to look more at these recruiting sites vs. doing his own evaluations........well, enough said.

Go Vols!!
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I've een that posted a lot on here. How do people know Fulmer looked at recruiting sites to recruit?
 
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FlyFishnVol said:
Actually, I don't find any these recruiting site reliable. Sure if you recruits nothing but 5* and 4* (Alabama) you are statistically favored to produce a good team. However, most of the football players out there can not attend all the combines, and I find them so far off from each other on most of the players that it almost support the idea, they are clueless past the "Top 10" players. I think many coaches (Butch) place heavier weight on other aspects of a player vs. just athletic ability. It's like fantasy football, only fantasy recruiting....you never know how a 17-18 year old boy will react to Div I football.

When Fulmer started to look more at these recruiting sites vs. doing his own evaluations........well, enough said.

Go Vols!!
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I happen to think in most cases it matters, especially when you look at the final AP top 10 teams every year and then go look their recruiting classes. There is a strong correlation between performance on the field and class ranking by these services.
 
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#Vol4Life1991 said:
I've een that posted a lot on here. How do people know Fulmer looked at recruiting sites to recruit?
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I don't think there's any truth to that.

What happened IMO was the coaches in the SEC started working harder than Fulmer and his staff and it became harder and harder for him to get players.
 
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Smokey X said:
LWS...do you mind refreshing my memory on what criteria you are using or how you are filtering the spreadsheet...reason being as an example: The VN front page shows 21 signees for the 2016 class but the spreadsheet only shows 6. thx in advance
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it is only the top recruits for each service not all commitments.

Rivals lists a top 250 but doesn't tank # 251, ESPN and Scout do a top 300. 247 is only one ranking past those numbers but I use their top 250 only.. players with ranking past 205 on the 247 players is because they are ranked in top by one of the other services
 
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butchna said:
His scouting slipped. Started recruiting stars with no sense of chemistry or fit. Only way you miss on a Vols devotee like Patrick Willis.
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Randall Cobb (not sure if he was a life-devotee or not, but he was right in our backyard)
 
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#Vol4Life1991 said:
I've een that posted a lot on here. How do people know Fulmer looked at recruiting sites to recruit?
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He got involved with one recruiting firm where he (UT) paid for the data, this of course was before all the online "experts" started showing up. CPF had more troubles with recruits that any one coach from my memory. This also caused some rifts within his inter circle.
 
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supersmo18 said:
Randall Cobb (not sure if he was a life-devotee or not, but he was right in our backyard)
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Wouldn't promise him he could play QB. Told him he could be an NFL WR if he came to UT but he wouldn't buy it. Took UK because they did say he could play QB
 
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BigZiti09 said:
I don't think there's any truth to that.

What happened IMO was the coaches in the SEC started working harder than Fulmer and his staff and it became harder and harder for him to get players.
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What happened:

Granny Holtz < Spurrier
Ron Zook < Urban Meyer
Shula < Saban
Goff < Richt
etc
 
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LWSVOL said:
Wouldn't promise him he could play QB. Told him he could be an NFL WR if he came to UT but he wouldn't buy it. Took UK because they did say he could play QB
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I always love the rumors. Coaches tell you what you want to hear in recruiting. Cory Fleming came in my Freshman year l. Coaches told him he would get a shot at QB and he did for a couple of weeks. Then he was running routes with receivers.

I don't know any coach at UT at that time that wouldn't tell a kid they would give him a shot at a position to get him. Might have told him I think you could be an NFL receiver but don't believe they would tell him (if they truly wanted him) play this position starting out or go somewhere else.
 
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jason3713 said:
I always love the rumors. Coaches tell you what you want to hear in recruiting. Cory Fleming came in my Freshman year l. Coaches told him he would get a shot at QB and he did for a couple of weeks. Then he was running routes with receivers.

I don't know any coach at UT at that time that wouldn't tell a kid they would give him a shot at a position to get him. Might have told him I think you could be an NFL receiver but don't believe they would tell him (if they truly wanted him) play this position starting out or go somewhere else.
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The real reason we didn't get Cobb was because Fulmer ignored him until very late in the process. UT tried to swoop in at the last minute (thinking Cobb would jump at the chance), instead Cobb basically told them to F__k off. Anyone with any knowledge of that recruitment knows this to be the truth.
 
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ITSGR82BATNVOL said:
The real reason we didn't get Cobb was because Fulmer ignored him until very late in the process. UT tried to swoop in at the last minute (thinking Cobb would jump at the chance), instead Cobb basically told them to F__k off. Anyone with any knowledge of that recruitment knows this to be the truth.
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That was one of my gripes about Fulmer. He didn't do a good job of recruiting TN. He did great all over the nation but let multiple big time players get away in TN.
 
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