For this team to reach their potential

[1985Vols]

They must get the ball inside to Maymon and Stokes and if they get double teamed, feed the ball back outside to McBee, Golden, etc.... Auburn (and every other team) is double teaming the post and either Maymon /Stokes/Hall are making an unbelievable shot or are turming the ball over - 7 turmovers last night between them. If they get double teamed and will feed the ball back outside and McBee, etc start knocking down shots, it will soften up the double team on them.

Also, McRae was definitely a bright spot and should take over for Tatum (1 for 23 shooting in his last 3 SEC games)

 

[GBO18]

In the post our passing out of double teams is terrible.

 

[1985Vols]

In the post our passing out of double teams is terrible.

CCM needs to coach them up. Ball reversal from inside to the post and back out to the wings could spark this offense.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

They must get the ball inside to Maymon and Stokes and if they get double teamed, feed the ball back outside to McBee, Golden, etc.... Auburn (and every other team) is double teaming the post and either Maymon /Stokes/Hall are making an unbelievable shot or are turming the ball over - 7 turmovers last night between them. If they get double teamed and will feed the ball back outside and McBee, etc start knocking down shots, it will soften up the double team on them.

Also, McRae was definitely a bright spot and should take over for Tatum (1 for 23 shooting in his last 3 SEC games)

i said this days ago if our guards are unable to make opposing teams pay for doubling down on our posts then we are screwed to say it nicely. everyone of our guards last night received kick out passes that gave them wide open looks at 3, you have got to knock those down. if you can make them pay they will most likely quit with the double teams and in effect make us much more well rounded as a team. golden, mcbee, richardson, mcrae and tatum all need to be in the gym just putting up 3's and jumpers from inside the line till they cant feel their arms.

 

[Spartacavolus]

People reiterate that McBee is only out there for one reason and is a liability elsewhere. Well, from what I have seen, Stokes, Maymon, Richardson and McBee are the only guys capable of changing angles on their passes, therefore are really the only ones that are good at getting the ball down low. It's really pitiful that Trae, Cam, McRae and others don't know how to get the ball to the man on the block in the right position. I don't know how you become a highly ranked recruit without having that skill. Whomever is rating some of these kids needs to revamp some of their grading systems.

In fact, a good passer gets it to the man on the block in a spot that can lead him into his move.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

People reiterate that McBee is only out there for one reason and is a liability elsewhere. Well, from what I have seen, Stokes, Maymon, Richardson and McBee are the only guys capable of changing angles on their passes, therefore are really the only ones that are good at getting the ball down low. It's really pitiful that Trae, Cam, McRae and others don't know how to get the ball to the man on the block in the right position. I don't know how you become a highly ranked recruit without having that skill. Whomever is rating some of these kids needs to revamp some of their grading systems.

In fact, a good passer gets it to the man on the block in a spot that can lead him into his move.

while you are spot on as this is very accurate, it wouldnt make a huge difference. teams are now doubling on the catch and would cotinue to do so, the only way to get them to quit doubling is to make them pay for it.

 

[1985Vols]

while you are spot on as this is very accurate, it wouldnt make a huge difference. teams are now doubling on the catch and would cotinue to do so, the only way to get them to quit doubling is to make them pay for it.

If McBee/Golden can spot up on the wing and Maymon/Stokes reverse the ball back out to them, I feel confident they could not down at least 40% of their shots. THis would soften the double team down los and Maymon/Stokes would be unstoppable.

 

[Spartacavolus]

while you are spot on as this is very accurate, it wouldnt make a huge difference. teams are now doubling on the catch and would cotinue to do so, the only way to get them to quit doubling is to make them pay for it.

You can put the ball on a big man's hands in the right position for him to get up a nice shot before the double team comes. Not every time, but if he's got a man on his hip and you don't get the ball in the right spot, the D recovers and you just missed an easy 2 pt bucket.

Out/in and interior passing is one of the most important things in basketball

 

[bleedingTNorange]

You can put the ball on a big man's hands in the right position for him to get up a nice shot before the double team comes. Not every time, but if he's got a man on his hip and you don't get the ball in the right spot, the D recovers and you just missed an easy 2 pt bucket.

Out/in and interior passing is one of the most important things in basketball

i agree with you but lets use golden as the exampe if he's on the wing and stokes is posting and clearly golden wants to pass to him. maymon will also be on the other side of the lane, maymons guy will be shading over watching the entry pass, once the pass is made the double team is coming. there are many things they can do to improve in these spots, but with teams doubling as aggresively as they are now its very hard for stokes or maymon to get their shots without some help. the other thing is neither maymon or stokes are really catch and 1 move score guys. both of them take their time usually and set something up for themselves, that gives the double team plenty of time to come over.

 

[Spartacavolus]

i agree with you but lets use golden as the exampe if he's on the wing and stokes is posting and clearly golden wants to pass to him. maymon will also be on the other side of the lane, maymons guy will be shading over watching the entry pass, once the pass is made the double team is coming. there are many things they can do to improve in these spots, but with teams doubling as aggresively as they are now its very hard for stokes or maymon to get their shots without some help. the other thing is neither maymon or stokes are really catch and 1 move score guys. both of them take their time usually and set something up for themselves, that gives the double team plenty of time to come over.

Help seldom comes from the baseline side. That's why a big man with good hands and a little one handed, left and right quick shot is nasty. That's what kills me about Hall. He can touch the square on the leap. He can shoot right or left handed and has ok touch around the rim, but he decides to squat down, bring the ball down and take 3 seconds to make a move right into the D.

I understand what you are saying about the double team, but a good player will get position, a good guard will get him the ball in the right spot to go up with a quick shot before the double team can get there and many times before the defender realizes what happened.

Getting it on the block and holding it is the problem.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Help seldom comes from the baseline side. That's why a big man with good hands and a little one handed, left and right quick shot is nasty. That's what kills me about Hall. He can touch the square on the leap. He can shoot right or left handed and has ok touch around the rim, but he decides to squat down, bring the ball down and take 3 seconds to make a move right into the D.

I understand what you are saying about the double team, but a good player will get position, a good guard will get him the ball in the right spot to go up with a quick shot before the double team can get there and many times before the defender realizes what happened.

Getting it on the block and holding it is the problem.

usually your right on this, but i have noticed most of the double teams on our posts are from the other post defender, this may be by design since stokes and maymon arent completely gelled.

exactly if you have a post that has that quick go to move then that is lethal, we dont have a post with any sort of quick move. the quickest move is probably stokes catching squaring up and shooting, all the other moves our post guys use take a few seconds which allows the double team to come.

i think our post need to do a better job of post position, post up on the block instead of almost on the elbow. if you post on the block and clear out and our guard can squeeze it down there, a simple drop step or power move is plenty quick enough and from that spot requires no dribble.

 

[Spartacavolus]

usually your right on this, but i have noticed most of the double teams on our posts are from the other post defender, this may be by design since stokes and maymon arent completely gelled.

Yes, but they come from the middle of the lane where our other player is. If he's coming from the middle, double teamer coming can't do anything about a quick jump hook with no defender helping from the baseline side.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

usually your right on this, but i have noticed most of the double teams on our posts are from the other post defender, this may be by design since stokes and maymon arent completely gelled.

Yes, but they come from the middle of the lane where our other player is. If he's coming from the middle, double teamer coming can't do anything about a quick jump hook with no defender helping from the baseline side.

your right. one problem though, who on our team has shown to have a quick left or right handed quick jump hook that they hit at a high rate? maymon and stokes shoot the ball effectively facing the basket and from about 5 feet or less away, stokes is the only go that poses a threat outside of 5 feet. if maymon or hall wanted to catch the ball 8 feet out and shoot a quick one handed hook id definitely take my chances with that if im the opposition, neither of them has shown that to be in their arsenal.

this is why i say that our post guys, mainly maymon and hall need to do a better job of post position, and our guards getting it to them in that spot. maymon and hall are both most effective if they can make one move and go up strong especially maymon. maymon does have the versaitility to catch at the free throw line and make a move and drive that line, and its hard for the defense to double him that far out so maybe you see a bit more high low action between maymon and stokes/hall. im interested to see how our post guys attack anthony davis the second time around.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

They must get the ball inside to Maymon and Stokes and if they get double teamed, feed the ball back outside to McBee, Golden, etc.... Auburn (and every other team) is double teaming the post and either Maymon /Stokes/Hall are making an unbelievable shot or are turming the ball over - 7 turmovers last night between them. If they get double teamed and will feed the ball back outside and McBee, etc start knocking down shots, it will soften up the double team on them.

Also, McRae was definitely a bright spot and should take over for Tatum (1 for 23 shooting in his last 3 SEC games)

You got it. There were several times yesterday when maymon and stokes were open and the outside players failed to get the ball to them. That has to change.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

They must get the ball inside to Maymon and Stokes and if they get double teamed, feed the ball back outside to McBee, Golden, etc.... Auburn (and every other team) is double teaming the post and either Maymon /Stokes/Hall are making an unbelievable shot or are turming the ball over - 7 turmovers last night between them. If they get double teamed and will feed the ball back outside and McBee, etc start knocking down shots, it will soften up the double team on them.

Also, McRae was definitely a bright spot and should take over for Tatum (1 for 23 shooting in his last 3 SEC games)

You got it. There were several times yesterday when Maymon and stokes were open and the outside players failed to get the ball to them. That has to change.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

CCM needs to coach them up. Ball reversal from inside to the post and back out to the wings could spark this offense.

He has already taught them a lot. There is so much that these guys needed to learn and offense has taken a back seat to defense so far. they will continue to learn and get better.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

He has already taught them a lot. There is so much that these guys needed to learn and offense has taken a back seat to defense so far. they will continue to learn and get better.

martin pretty much had to come in and braing wash most of these guys as they were used to playing the way pearl wanted them to. this is a huge adjustment for most of these guys and are being asked to do things theyve never had to do before. i think we will see a big improvement between year 1 and year 2. JMO

 

[orangeluvr]

The shooting needs vast improvement, ditto for the LV`S !! :yes: :clapping: :good!: