For those confused about the numbers game in recruiting...

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g8terh8ter_eric

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Here's the EASIEST way to explain it....

1. In each class, the maximum amount of signees you can't get into school is 25.

2. The SEC has adopted a rule that states you can sign up to 28. This means that if you didn't use all 25 spots in the previous year, you can count back up to 3. So, you can sign 28 for that year, but 3 count back to the previous year.

3. There is a roster/scholarship limit of 85 players. This means that you can only put a certain number of players on scholarship for a particular class. So, if you have 63 players to begin the spring, that means that you can effectively get 22 players on scholarship for that year. So, you can't really sign the full 25 players, unless you get some to grayshirt (pay their own way to play on the team for the first year.)

So, remember these numbers.....

1. 28 (Max you can sign in a class with 3 back counting to the previous class if you have room.)

2. 25 (Max you can get into school and on scholarship in one class, this does not include those that can be back counted to the previous year. Which is where the 28 comes from.

3. 85 (Total amount of players you can have on scholarship at any given time)

If I have messed up anything, let me know. This is the best way I can explain it. :hi:
 
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30 is the max we can SIGN. 27 is the max we can GET INTO SCHOOL. I'm not arguing anymore...
 
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It makes sense and I understand how it works...but it is weird reading your explanation where 1 and 2 seem to contradict each other. It seems more intuitive to me to just say MAX you can possibly sign is 28 in each class if you have 3 back counts.

I'm not sure I want to try and understand where the 30 number comes from this year, I'll just take your word for it. :)
 
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rjd970 said:
It makes sense and I understand how it works...but it is weird reading your explanation where 1 and 2 seem to contradict each other. It seems more intuitive to me to just say MAX you can possibly sign is 28 in each class if you have 3 back counts.

I'm not sure I want to try and understand where the 30 number comes from this year, I'll just take your word for it. :)
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The number 30 comes from Hubbs saying that "technically" we could sign 30 with 3 going JUCO or Prep. We can only get 27 in school this year.
 
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rjd970 said:
So is it 27 into school instead of 28 because of the 85 roster limit?
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The 85 will probably not be a problem, as we are now at 80. There are several guys who will transfer because of lack of playing time, if history is an indication.
 
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Lord Vader said:
30 is the max we can SIGN. 27 is the max we can GET INTO SCHOOL. I'm not arguing anymore...
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That is not true. There is a 28 limit regardless of how many you count back or how many fail to make it into your school. 28 is the hard limit...nothing over that is allowed.
 
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Back2BackGator said:
That is not true. There is a 28 limit regardless of how many you count back or how many fail to make it into your school. 28 is the hard limit...nothing over that is allowed.
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I'm not arguing with you Gators on every thread. We can only get 27 in so it really don't matter...
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Here's the EASIEST way to explain it....


3. There is a roster/scholarship limit of 85 players. This means that you can only put a certain number of players on scholarship for a particular class. So, if you have 63 players to begin the spring, that means that you can effectively get 22 players on scholarship for that year. So, you can't really sign the full 25 players, unless you get some to grayshirt (pay their own way to play on the team for the first year.)

:hi:
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This is not quite accurate Eric. has nothing to do with the spring number. in August, you have to be at the 85 number. If your number is 70 on NSD, you can sign as many as you want within rules (25 lets say).

Assume all 25 are eligible and can get into school in the fall. that puts you at 95. Before reporting day in August, something has to happen with 10 players. Attrition, prep school, grey shirts, something.. can only start with 85. Report date may not be the hard date. I'm not sure on that but it is close.

Signing LOI's have nothing to do with roster numbers. Signing scholarship papers do.
 
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Back2BackGator said:
That is not true. There is a 28 limit regardless of how many you count back or how many fail to make it into your school. 28 is the hard limit...nothing over that is allowed.
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I don't think you are correct. UT has checked this with SEC office. Back counts do not count toward the 28..
 
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rjd970 said:
So is it 27 into school instead of 28 because of the 85 roster limit?
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27 is number because we can only back count 2. 25 is max to enter in fall anytime plus what you cna back count. We only have room to back count 2
 
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LWS speaks the truth. Coincidentally it is the same truth that LV and I have been telling you for months now. Why this is still an issue is beyond me.

2. The SEC has adopted a rule that states you can sign up to 28. This means that if you didn't use all 25 spots in the previous year, you can count back up to 3. So, you can sign 28 for that year, but 3 count back to the previous year.
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The 28 number has absolutely nothing to do with backcounts. The only thing it affects is the max you can sign in your current class minus backcounts. You can enroll 25 max per class, therefore, you can only early enroll up to the 25 max for the previous year meaning if you only signed 23 (as we did) you can backcount 2. If we enrolled 17, you could still only backcount up to 25 and only early enrollees can be backcounted. That means that if we had 17 last year and we have at least 8 early enrollees, we could count all of them back and still sign 28 players for the current class.

Every time you try and explain this, Eric, you end up confusing the issue further. - YOU PUNK!!!!!!:)
 
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