Forgive and forget?

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I’m interested to see what South Carolina does against Clemson. Have they turned a corner and UT was the turnaround game or is it going to be another 45-7 beat down confirming it was all on UT. That will be very interesting to see. Though they are playing at Clemson. But at the start of the season, if you had told me the game outcomes, I would have taken it. So clearly above expectations for the year even though the loss last night really stinged, but I am hoping for a continued upward trend next year starting with fixing the secondary.
 
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vol_sec said:
I’m interested to see what South Carolina does against Clemson. Have they turned a corner and UT was the turnaround game or is it going to be another 45-7 beat down confirming it was all on UT. That will be very interesting to see. Though they are playing at Clemson. But at the start of the season, if you had told me the game outcomes, I would have taken it. So clearly above expectations for the year even though the loss last night really stinged, but I am hoping for a continued upward trend next year starting with fixing the secondary.
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Clemson’s defense will shut them down. Their offense is what slows them down but Clemson’s defense is legit.
 
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volbound1700 said:
I will feel better about the season if they beat Vandy but definitely jaded right now. I may step away from College Football because it gets emotional, especially on message boards.
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Respect! I lost my emotions last night and had to turn off the game. My wife of 27 yrs told me to turn the Channel as she thought I was going to have a stroke from yelling at the tv. Now I don’t care about the rest of the season.

I’m concerned now because the locker room is def divided. The rumors are def true about Banks. He got angry over NIL money and stomped on the T on the locker room floor and the had some words. He was told to do push-ups but refused. Hooker stepped in and Banks went after Hooker. I don’t know if punches were thrown but I am 100% sure the above is accurate, as this is coming from a player.
 
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vol_sec said:
I’m interested to see what South Carolina does against Clemson. Have they turned a corner and UT was the turnaround game or is it going to be another 45-7 beat down confirming it was all on UT. That will be very interesting to see. Though they are playing at Clemson. But at the start of the season, if you had told me the game outcomes, I would have taken it. So clearly above expectations for the year even though the loss last night really stinged, but I am hoping for a continued upward trend next year starting with fixing the secondary.
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Clemson will beat the brakes of SC.

SC is not good, we just played that bad.
 
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I've already forgiven him because this season is a massive success. Heupel has set our program on a positive trajectory.

However, I'm not going to lie, losing to Vandy would be much harder to forgive.
 
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I realize we were on the brink of the playoffs. But honestly we were never winning a title. The best scenario for the future may be 10-2 and a NY6 bowl victory. 11-2 is beyond what most of us thought would happen this year. Defensive recruiting has to improve beyond what we saw last night.
 
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cwbytruckers said:
I realize we were on the brink of the playoffs. But honestly we were never winning a title. The best scenario for the future may be 10-2 and a NY6 bowl victory. 11-2 is beyond what most of us thought would happen this year. Defensive recruiting has to improve beyond what we saw last night.
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Probably. Georgia or Ohio State would've blown us out.
 
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Matt2496 said:
I've already forgiven him because this season is a massive success. Heupel has set our program on a positive trajectory.

However, I'm not going to lie, losing to Vandy would be much harder to forgive.
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I'm not sure ANY Head Football coach has a long term future at UT if losing to Vandy is on their resume.
 
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vol94 said:
Respect! I lost my emotions last night and had to turn off the game. My wife of 27 yrs told me to turn the Channel as she thought I was going to have a stroke from yelling at the tv. Now I don’t care about the rest of the season.

I’m concerned now because the locker room is def divided. The rumors are def true about Banks. He got angry over NIL money and stomped on the T on the locker room floor and the had some words. He was told to do push-ups but refused. Hooker stepped in and Banks went after Hooker. I don’t know if punches were thrown but I am 100% sure the above is accurate, as this is coming from a player.
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What concerns me is how poorly Heupel handled it, which is patently obvious from the way the team played last night. To have one player fly off the rails is understandable given the NIL world we live in now; but to let an entire team just decide to phone it in, which is now the obvious, inescapable answer to that mess we witnessed last night, is just being a bad leader and coach.

I was thinking during the first half, before we knew about the locker room situation, that Heupel needed to blast the team during halftime: threaten to yank scholarships, revoke NIL deals, whatever he could do to get their attention. Then when we came out after the half the sideline reporter that interviewed him said he had been calm with them and acted like it was no big deal, just keep playing - which worked like a lead balloon. He couldn't have been much more clueless about the mindset of his team and what they needed to hear.

More to the point is the fact he should have seen this during the week. I can't imagine there wasn't some hint of this attitude among the players in the way practices were going; that's when a good coach gets in his players' grits and gets them back on track. We fans were thinking during the game that they took SC for granted; now we know it wasn't that attitude mistake, but a worse one - not giving a damn about the result of the game, not giving a damn about the millions of people that follow this team religiously every week and spend tens of millions of dollars a year to fund their NIL deals, NFL dreams, college education, etc. Our team played like a bunch of entitled spoiled brats last night, and Heupel stood on the sideline clapping like Fulmer while they did it.

Has Saban ever once had a beatdown like we endured last night? I know he lost to Louisiana-Lafayette his first year at Bama; but his second year they only lost one game, and it was close; and then of course he won the NC his third year. As far as I recall, he has never been blown out at Bama. Obviously he has had times where one or another athlete made himself bigger than the team, but somehow he handled it in a way that kept everyone else on board because we never even heard about any of those instances. It's wildly obvious that Heupel did not handle this well this week, because this team just laid down on him last night. That not only explains the defense's inexcusable performance, but Hyatt dropping multiple passes that he normally catches, the O-line run-blocking worse against SC than they did against UGA, etc.

Hopefully Heupel has enough common sense to hire a new DC and secondary coach this week. If he sticks with Banks and Martinez, he'll be looking for a new job in two or three years, and he will deserve to be.
 
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A 10-2 season is still an amazing season considering where we've been the last 15 years. I don't care what all these unrealistic jack wads think about it either. We should all be ecstatic about this year.
 
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vol94 said:
Respect! I lost my emotions last night and had to turn off the game. My wife of 27 yrs told me to turn the Channel as she thought I was going to have a stroke from yelling at the tv. Now I don’t care about the rest of the season.

I’m concerned now because the locker room is def divided. The rumors are def true about Banks. He got angry over NIL money and stomped on the T on the locker room floor and the had some words. He was told to do push-ups but refused. Hooker stepped in and Banks went after Hooker. I don’t know if punches were thrown but I am 100% sure the above is accurate, as this is coming from a player.
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Another reason why NIL money is the devil, Saban called it and said it would create locker room problems and if this rumor is true, it eroded a great season
 
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lifeisdeep said:
What concerns me is how poorly Heupel handled it, which is patently obvious from the way the team played last night. To have one player fly off the rails is understandable given the NIL world we live in now; but to let an entire team just decide to phone it in, which is now the obvious, inescapable answer to that mess we witnessed last night, is just being a bad leader and coach.

I was thinking during the first half, before we knew about the locker room situation, that Heupel needed to blast the team during halftime: threaten to yank scholarships, revoke NIL deals, whatever he could do to get their attention. Then when we came out after the half the sideline reporter that interviewed him said he had been calm with them and acted like it was no big deal, just keep playing - which worked like a lead balloon. He couldn't have been much more clueless about the mindset of his team and what they needed to hear.

More to the point is the fact he should have seen this during the week. I can't imagine there wasn't some hint of this attitude among the players in the way practices were going; that's when a good coach gets in his players' grits and gets them back on track. We fans were thinking during the game that they took SC for granted; now we know it wasn't that attitude mistake, but a worse one - not giving a damn about the result of the game, not giving a damn about the millions of people that follow this team religiously every week and spend tens of millions of dollars a year to fund their NIL deals, NFL dreams, college education, etc. Our team played like a bunch of entitled spoiled brats last night, and Heupel stood on the sideline clapping like Fulmer while they did it.

Has Saban ever once had a beatdown like we endured last night? I know he lost to Louisiana-Lafayette his first year at Bama; but his second year they only lost one game, and it was close; and then of course he won the NC his third year. As far as I recall, he has never been blown out at Bama. Obviously he has had times where one or another athlete made himself bigger than the team, but somehow he handled it in a way that kept everyone else on board because we never even heard about any of those instances. It's wildly obvious that Heupel did not handle this well this week, because this team just laid down on him last night. That not only explains the defense's inexcusable performance, but Hyatt dropping multiple passes that he normally catches, the O-line run-blocking worse against SC than they did against UGA, etc.

Hopefully Heupel has enough common sense to hire a new DC and secondary coach this week. If he sticks with Banks and Martinez, he'll be looking for a new job in two or three years, and he will deserve to be.
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44-16 to Clemson was the worst. He also lost 31-17 to Utah and, if I recall correctly, the game was never in doubt.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
44-16 to Clemson was the worst. He also lost 31-17 to Utah and, if I recall correctly, the game was never in doubt.
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That Clemson game was in the playoffs, wasn't it? I would color that not quite as bad as getting blown out by 6-4 SC. But you're correct in that that's definitely a blowout. I had forgotten about that game. And the Utah game was his second year there.
 
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lifeisdeep said:
What concerns me is how poorly Heupel handled it, which is patently obvious from the way the team played last night. To have one player fly off the rails is understandable given the NIL world we live in now; but to let an entire team just decide to phone it in, which is now the obvious, inescapable answer to that mess we witnessed last night, is just being a bad leader and coach.

I was thinking during the first half, before we knew about the locker room situation, that Heupel needed to blast the team during halftime: threaten to yank scholarships, revoke NIL deals, whatever he could do to get their attention. Then when we came out after the half the sideline reporter that interviewed him said he had been calm with them and acted like it was no big deal, just keep playing - which worked like a lead balloon. He couldn't have been much more clueless about the mindset of his team and what they needed to hear.

More to the point is the fact he should have seen this during the week. I can't imagine there wasn't some hint of this attitude among the players in the way practices were going; that's when a good coach gets in his players' grits and gets them back on track. We fans were thinking during the game that they took SC for granted; now we know it wasn't that attitude mistake, but a worse one - not giving a damn about the result of the game, not giving a damn about the millions of people that follow this team religiously every week and spend tens of millions of dollars a year to fund their NIL deals, NFL dreams, college education, etc. Our team played like a bunch of entitled spoiled brats last night, and Heupel stood on the sideline clapping like Fulmer while they did it.

Has Saban ever once had a beatdown like we endured last night? I know he lost to Louisiana-Lafayette his first year at Bama; but his second year they only lost one game, and it was close; and then of course he won the NC his third year. As far as I recall, he has never been blown out at Bama. Obviously he has had times where one or another athlete made himself bigger than the team, but somehow he handled it in a way that kept everyone else on board because we never even heard about any of those instances. It's wildly obvious that Heupel did not handle this well this week, because this team just laid down on him last night. That not only explains the defense's inexcusable performance, but Hyatt dropping multiple passes that he normally catches, the O-line run-blocking worse against SC than they did against UGA, etc.

Hopefully Heupel has enough common sense to hire a new DC and secondary coach this week. If he sticks with Banks and Martinez, he'll be looking for a new job in two or three years, and he will deserve to be.
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To be honest, I didn’t ask my son for details as didn’t want to place him in a difficult situation since his buddy is a walk on player. But apparently it became public before Friday so not sure when it occurred.

I don’t know if Heupel knew there was division within the locker room as he empowers his captains and sr leadership.

I am not sure why Banks was angered over NIL $$ and stomped on the Power T. It took off from there and now it’s a fractured locker room. I could tell something was off but didn’t know for sure until today.
 
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vol94 said:
To be honest, I didn’t ask my son for details as didn’t want to place him in a difficult situation since his buddy is a walk on player. But apparently it became public before Friday so not sure when it occurred.

I don’t know if Heupel knew there was division within the locker room as he empowers his captains and sr leadership.

I am not sure why Banks was angered over NIL $$ and stomped on the Power T. It took off from there and now it’s a fractured locker room. I could tell something was off but didn’t know for sure until today.
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NIL will be the bane of CFB
 
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