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As bad as they ran out of that formation against Ole Miss I think we realized we had no chance against Georgia's D-Line.
 
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Originally posted by vol_freak@Oct 9, 2005 8:47 PM
As bad as they ran out of that formation against Ole Miss I think we realized we had no chance against Georgia's D-Line.
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I concur.
They are packing it in with 8 guys. If anything they need to figure out a way to make them play honest. Spreading the field with 4 wide receivers might do it, assuming Rick throws the ball to them and they catch it.....2 big assumptions....and of course hoping he doesnt get blitzed on his butt. We cant run the ball with 8 men in th block, and we cant pass the ball either then, so until something is done, were in a bad situation.
 
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We can't run and won't be able to until Rick Clausen is back on the bench.......They are playing us tight up at the line of scrimmage because he can't throw a pass to section B if he was standing in A...
 
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Originally posted by Jmxvol@Oct 10, 2005 5:03 PM
We can't run and won't be able to until Rick Clausen is back on the bench.......They are playing us tight up at the line of scrimmage because he can't throw a pass to section B if he was standing in A...
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Yep. We cant run with 8 men in the box. Period. Until we have a qb and wr's who make them pay when they are in that defense, forget it. The running game isnt happening....
 
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Originally posted by Jacksonian 5151@Oct 9, 2005 7:37 PM
How many times did the Vols line up in the I and run it at Georgia?  It couldn't have been more than 5
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i noticed that as well and didnt understand it ! we have an awesome fullback so line up and run at them! we ran single back so many times.
 
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in the first quarter georgia cheated the safties up and dared us to throw it, so we ran it and got nowhere. for some reason they abandoned the run game after that.
 
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I believe if we're going to run, we need to run out of the gun.....It seems like we always get more yardage when we run out of the gun....Spread the field out and hit them with a draw....Let Rick give a good a play fake and then hand off and let Riggs go
 
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Even when they did attempt to run the ball it was out of the gun. Think back to the Arkansas game in 98. After THE fumble everyone in the stadium knew Tennessee was gonna run the football and they were still able to pound it all the way to the endzone. And they weren't doing it out of the gun.
 
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Originally posted by oklavol@Oct 10, 2005 4:33 PM
Yep.  We cant run with 8 men in the box. Period.  Until we have a qb and wr's who make them pay when they are in that defense, forget it.  The running game isnt happening....
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The dumb a*# known as Randy Sanders has not figured out how to bust up the box with 8 men in it. Maybe he should speak to Peyton Manning for about 3 minuates to figure it out. Nah, that is too simple. Hey RS, go FIVE wide for about 3 consecutive possessions and the box will desolve, promise! Aqb need only throw 5-8 yard routes to defeat the box. Our nemesis for 5 to 6 years. Must be tough to figure out. :birgits_giggle:
 
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Sarge the problem is that (as everyone knows) Rick doesn't have the ability to stretch the field due to his lack of arm strength. Ainge on the other hand has plenty of arm but the recieving corp loses it's ability to catch when he is in the game and this is compounded witht the fact that he seems to get jittery at times and make stupid plays.
 
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They do seems to pick up yards running out out of the gun. If they want to chane their philosophy and be a spread team I'm fine with that. But your not gonna be able the run the ball the "Tennessee" way from there.
 
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The problem with the running game is that coach has not been recruiting for it. Riggs can only go one direction. He cuts more than once and he will lose his balance. That line opens huge holes, but Riggs has no shake. Where are Lewis, Henry, Stewart, Cadillac? Oh that's right, Cadillac switched on signing day. However, we have not have a shake n bake RB since the others. We have only had straight ahead power for three years. With a running game, play action and everything thing else opens up. Just ask Bama and Darby. Now, if Sanders does not tell Riggs the correct hole to hit, he is lost.
 
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I agree completely RangerVol. If Hardesty can get back to 100% after the ACL tear he might be the man. I know he din't get that many carries before the injury but he looks special to me
 
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Originally posted by Jacksonian 5151@Oct 11, 2005 5:09 PM
Sarge the problem is that (as everyone knows) Rick doesn't have the ability to stretch the field due to his lack of arm strength.  Ainge on the other hand has plenty of arm but the recieving corp loses it's ability to catch when he is in the game and this is compounded witht the fact that he seems to get jittery at times and make stupid plays.
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You don't have to throw deep to bust up the box. You just throw BEHIND the linebackers and BETWEEN the hash marks. WE do neither of these, ever. And the I is as antequated as the single wing.Nobody uses a Fullback any more,nobody.
 
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I'm not sure I agree with the notion that Vols aren't running the ball because opponents are putting 8 in the box. People who watch replays of the Vol games say there are a lot of busted assignments by OL, TEs and Fullbacks. I agree with this. The Vols completed a long pass to open the georgia game, completed another pass, then couldn't run for two yards on second down. You do have to keep safeties honest--and that has been a problem for UT because the blockhead coaches never throw to the TE and because the passing game has not been good. Good offenses make good yardage on first down. UT did that very early--but as the game progressed the Vols were always in bad down and distance situations. The Vols hurt themselves also, IMO, because they are not created and almost never use misdirection. Think about it: The Vols run Riggs and throw to wideouts, so the defense never has to worry about the FB (if he is in the game) or the TE. The offense has a lot of problems--duh--starting with the OC, then the QB position (weak play) and then half-assed blocking by many on the OL, TE and FB.

I see the Vols and other teams incorporating a lot of "sophisticated" NFL type formations--offsetting the fullback, using the H back, audibles at the line, zone blocking, blah, blah blah--but those innovations certainly haven't helped UT move the football or score points. I DO think it is tougher to simply overpower teams with the run these days, as UT used to do--almost everybody has better athletes on defense these days and emphasizes defense. But I'm not sure running the spread or five-wide on most plays is the answer either--especially in the SEC. In a perfect world, the Vols would have an OC who has some NFL experience, is smart and is tough-minded--a Charlie Weiss type. If I were Fulmer, I'd spare no effort to find such a person. But we know the Hand Clapper won't do it!
 
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Originally posted by #10_Ainge_#10@Oct 10, 2005 10:03 PM
I believe if we're going to run, we need to run out of the gun.....It seems like we always get more yardage when we run out of the gun....Spread the field out and hit them with a draw....Let Rick give a good a play fake and then hand off and let Riggs go
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Sounds to like you are wanting us to run out of the T or I with an old belly series play rather than the Shotgun. A fake and a handoff is hard to do out of the Shotgun and if you did accomplish such a play it would take far too long. The quarterback would have to fake to the back on one side and then turn and handoff to the other back. Timing would really be a problem. The Shotgun is not designed for such.

Furthermore, with our poor performances in the running game, I don't believe any team is concerned with play fakes. When we can't run the ball or open the field up with mid-long passes the defense just sits on us and covers the short 8-15 yard areas with either man or zone.
 
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Actually, there are a number of shotgun formations that incororporate a lot of running plays. They are misdirection plays with one RB standing next to the QB in the shotgun and then usually sending someone in motion and snaping the ball right before the motion man gets to the QB. That offense requires a mobile QB though, which we do not have.
 
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