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GASOUTHERNVOL

GASOUTHERNVOL

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Since we have so many coaches and athletic directors on here as of late, what formations on offense do you prefer? Would you rather run multiple schemes out of few formations, or have many formations with few looks out of them? How would you utilize the fullback?
 
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I don't care so much about formations. I do like having a FB on the field.
 
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Personally a fan of the single back sets with one TE and three WRs. Lots of different possibilities with that personnel on the field.
 
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I like the spread offense Fulmer ran his last year here which featured two tight ends and a fullback. :)
 
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I like TE's. They are like great defensive shortstops in baseball. They are never appreciated enough and you never realize how much you need one till you don't have one.

I love the Pats offense. I'm all about two TE formations. That's what Bama basically uses. Two TE sets and they do great.

I do like the no huddle. Hope we have a coach that keeps that. Tempo is so important in football.

I also like the spread modern passing game that the NFL is using, especially with how the Saints use Jimmy Graham and the Pats use Rob Gronkowski. They attack the middle of the field and use that to exploit the perimeter.
 
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I wouldnt want it used here, but Ive always enjoyed watching the flexbone offense. The TO is just a fun offense. Great for ball control, and multiple run looks, however the downside is that if your defense lets you down, its hard to come back using it.
 
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GASOUTHERNVOL said:
Since we have so many coaches and athletic directors on here as of late, what formations on offense do you prefer? Would you rather run multiple schemes out of few formations, or have many formations with few looks out of them? How would you utilize the fullback?
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I enjoy whatever maximizes the ability of the personnel on the field. I can't stand seeing mismatches between the two, where a depth chart of three excellent running backs and a fullback somehow results in this ace flank type of setup.

GAVol said:
The ISO and the counter trey are still the best plays in football.
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I hate the counter trey SO much that it's almost amazing. There's way too many pieces moving at weird angles to make it successful even 20% of the time, and the blowup risk is unacceptably high.

But that's just me. And we know how much I love countering an aggressive DE with a nicely-placed shovel pass under a pulling backside guard.

GASOUTHERNVOL said:
I wouldnt want it used here, but Ive always enjoyed watching the flexbone offense. The TO is just a fun offense. Great for ball control, and multiple run looks, however the downside is that if your defense lets you down, its hard to come back using it.
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I disagree that the double slot is inherently disadvantageous for mounting a comeback. There's actually a lot more passing involved than usually gets seen during a game, but the entire Paul Johnson school dictates that "if it works, keep doing it". Since a team that stops the midline might have trouble with the outside, it's a matter of forcing the defense to stop something that they can't.

As a game progresses, the defense basically tends to go with either a cover-0 type of look or (if it's late and they're trying to protect a lead) a man under with deep safeties. But in either case, it creates these one-on-one matchups that tend to favor the offense. The slotbacks are more athletic than the linebackers who will be covering them, and there's always shifts in formation that force linebackers out into space covering a split slotback. And if the defense wants to go with a nickel or dime type of look, there's always the ability to keep stinging them with the run, only more effectively than before.
 
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Ohio Vol said:
I hate the counter trey SO much that it's almost amazing. There's way too many pieces moving at weird angles to make it successful even 20% of the time, and the blowup risk is unacceptably high..
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Definitely a lot of moving parts, but man it's pretty when it works.

Good call on the shovel pass too. Don't know why more teams don't incorporate it. It's low risk, hard to read and nothing slows down a pass rush like gashing a d-line getting upfield with the old Utah pass.
 
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GAVol said:
Definitely a lot of moving parts, but man it's pretty when it works.

Good call on the shovel pass too. Don't know why more teams don't incorporate it. It's low risk, hard to read and nothing slows down a pass rush like gashing a d-line getting upfield with the old Utah pass.
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Most teams don't use it because it can't be broken down that far. It requires a somewhat unique blocking scheme, and most linemen don't know how to pull because it's something that most high schools don't do any more. Or, if it is taught, the ability to adjust and how exactly to block someone who's not in a specific spot isn't.

I'll also say that it doesn't work well within an option offense. A defense attacking the option has to be less aggressive, which negates the advantage of the shovel. And with the shovel, it works best against a hyper-aggressive defense. It's great to take the edge off a defense and force them to be passive, then sting them with aggressive running.
 
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Option offense is a disaster. Absolutely no need for anything gimicky...

Lots of 2 TE sets. Ace formations with 2/3 receivers. Shotgun with 2/3 recievers with a TE in there blocking or running a route.

Alot of what USC did during the Leinart/Bush years.
 
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GASOUTHERNVOL said:
Since we have so many coaches and athletic directors on here as of late, what formations on offense do you prefer? Would you rather run multiple schemes out of few formations, or have many formations with few looks out of them? How would you utilize the fullback?
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I LOVE the Air Force option offense...I am pretty old school and love the old style option style of offenses....When ran properly it is unstoppable.
 
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VOLnMiami said:
I LOVE the Air Force option offense...I am pretty old school and love the old style option style of offenses....When ran properly it is unstoppable.
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When was the last time an option team won the NC consistently?
 
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Ion said:
That was a long time ago...

Those offenses would get stuffed against bama, lsu, florida, USCe, etc
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Silly.

Must have memory loss or you were too young to remember.

Positive that 95 team would beat any team in CFB right now. Those defenses with Leonard Little, Al Wilson, Warren Sapp, and Raynoch Thompsons the world in the front 7 that they faced were terrible.

GA Southern poured over 300 yards rushing against Bama last year.
 
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bam15 said:
Silly.

Must have memory loss or you were too young to remember.

Positive that 95 team would beat any team in CFB right now. Those defenses with Leonard Little, Al Wilson, Warren Sapp, and Raynoch Thompsons the world in the front 7 that they faced were terrible.

GA Southern poured over 300 yards rushing against Bama last year.
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01-02' Canes would beg to differ...

Also, imagine trying to overhaul our whole system to implement a full blown triple option attack...We wouldnt be able to recruit the necessary players to run that offense effectively. The linemen on those Nebraska teams were monsters...
 
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Ion said:
That was a long time ago...

Those offenses would get stuffed against bama, lsu, florida, USCe, etc
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People always say that . . . and then Navy or Ga Tech plays one of those teams and runs for about 270.
 
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GAVol said:
People always say that . . . and then Navy or Ga Tech plays one of those teams and runs for about 270.
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But they dont score points...

For example a few weeks ago GT rushed for over 300 yards on UGA and lost 42-10...
 
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