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mlindsay

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I was wondering if anyone is knowledgeable of the NCAA rules in relation to Alumni and the role they can have in helping recruits decide on their decision to join their Alma Mater! I know one of the reasons Meighan Simmons came to Tennessee is because she some how met Candace Parker (or played on her AAU team) and the school was able to get a look at her before other schools drew interest. I also know that a lot of players in the 2016, 2017, and 2018 classes favorite players in the game (or who they look up to) are Lady Vols (Candace Parker and Tamika Catchings). I just want to know how can we use them to assist us in recruiting which wont lead to sanctions by the NCAA! I know they can not be in direct contact with them (phone/email/etc.) but I also know that schools like UConn, Standford, and Notre Dame (Schools who have been successful for a while now) have former players come back and practice/play with their players during the summer. Would it be an issue if Parker or Catchings was on the campus to play with the interested recruit in an effort to have them commit to the university. I understand Holly is of the same mode that Pat Summit is and will not jeopardize the integrity of the program but if other schools have been able to do so and no sanctions have come about, couldn't we do the same thing?
 
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I may be wrong, but I don't think there are any restrictions. Manning can call anyone he wishes and tell them to come to UT. Don't think it's done that often though.
 
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A little off the subject, but it is related, is the fact that Catchings is retiring soon and CHW would be wise to get here back at UT working with the program in some capacity. She would help in recruiting I'm sure.
 
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Real Info said:
A little off the subject, but it is related, is the fact that Catchings is retiring soon and CHW would be wise to get here back at UT working with the program in some capacity. She would help in recruiting I'm sure.
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That is the same thing I was thinking and she has also expressed a desire to coach! I feel she should be given the title Recruiting Director! (If that is a title, if not create it) I love coach Elzy but I think catchings can relate more to the players currently because she is still playing the game. Having her back on campus as early as next fall would help with the 2016 class and moving forward. I wouldn't be surprise if Tyler Summit doesn't reach out to her first because he could use someone of her caliber on his staff as well.
 
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I presume that key is that any time/expense must be paid by the player, and cannot be connected to the University.

If a former player wants to help, I presume they do so on their own dime and of their own initiative. Of course, a phone call costs nothing...
 
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Former players are like "boosters" to the NCAA and cannot recruit for UT!
I don't know how CP came to see Meighan, but since she is godmother to a player who was playing AAU at the same time as Meighan, CP may have caught a tournament they were both playing in (I am speculating here). CP did not recruit Meighan, but she told the LV coaches about her.

Also, Catch has said she does not want to coach. She has talked about becoming a WNBA GM, plus she has her foundation to keep her busy.

Y'all are gonna pull the NCAA in on our heads with this talk, lol
 
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Catchings isn't interested in coaching she has stated that before and again in the recent article on her by ESPN.

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"I see myself continuing to work with my foundation and playing a bigger role in that," Catchings said of her outlook on 2017 and beyond. "I know what I don't want to do -- I don't want to coach. I love working with kids, but coaching doesn't really appeal to me.

"Broadcasting, maybe. I've talked about wanting to be a general manager and working in sports from a business standpoint. I read about this a lot. I like to see what other people have done. You read about the horror stories of athletes who finish playing and then lose all their money. But you also read the success stories."
 
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Real Info said:
A little off the subject, but it is related, is the fact that Catchings is retiring soon and CHW would be wise to get here back at UT working with the program in some capacity. She would help in recruiting I'm sure.
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not sure,but I do like your thinking :hi:
 
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I know that Tonya Edwards and Semeka Randall were both coaching hbcu teams.. If I'm not mistaken Tonya was relieved of her position at Alcorn and idk if she's found another position but I don't see why Holly wouldn't want one of the LV greats on her staff
 
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While I understand how threads morph, it is interesting to see the change from discussing recruiting to coaching. That said, all the suggestions about this or that former player being hired as an assistant begs the question, who would you fire in order to make room?
 
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CannonVol80 said:
While I understand how threads morph, it is interesting to see the change from discussing recruiting to coaching. That said, all the suggestions about this or that former player being hired as an assistant begs the question, who would you fire in order to make room?
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I don't think you necessarily have to fire anyone to bring someone on board, you just create a title for them if the university agrees to pay them! But if I had to pick it would probably be Coach Law only because she isn't a Lady Vol and being under C.Vivan Stringer all those years our defense has been good at times but not as great/dominant as Rutgers was in the past and you would think Law was brought here for that reason (to help us coaching the defense)
 
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mlindsay said:
I don't think you necessarily have to fire anyone to bring someone on board, you just create a title for them if the university agrees to pay them! But if I had to pick it would probably be Coach Law only because she isn't a Lady Vol and being under C.Vivan Stringer all those years our defense has been good at times but not as great/dominant as Rutgers was in the past and you would think Law was brought here for that reason (to help us coaching the defense)
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I say bring Semeka on board or even Tonya...Oh what is Loree Moore I would love to see her on the LV staff
 
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bringing someone on staff because of their playing career instead of their success in their coaching career is a recipe for failure.

we need great coaches, not past glory.

The exception might be Tyler Summitt but only AFTER he has won something.

my $0.02
 
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I could only chuckle, and shake my head, when I read that Law worked for Stringer (prior to taking the Illinois job) and I presume has a reputation for coaching defense. Warlick, of course, is up to eyeballs in PS's defense-is-everything philosophy (born in the early days of women's basketball), and Elzy, when playing for UT was, you guessed it, a defensive specialist whose offensive abilities were quite limited, to be polite. I hoped that the light bulb would come on with PS about the importance of having a good, efficient offense to complement your defense, given how the game had changed. Didn't happen. I thought Warlick might notice--but no light on with her either. We've got four coaches at one of the premier programs in the game (we used to be THE premier program but can't say that anymore)--and NOT ONE of them is the sharp offensive mind that we need.
 
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armchair said:
I could only chuckle, and shake my head, when I read that Law worked for Stringer (prior to taking the Illinois job) and I presume has a reputation for coaching defense. Warlick, of course, is up to eyeballs in PS's defense-is-everything philosophy (born in the early days of women's basketball), and Elzy, when playing for UT was, you guessed it, a defensive specialist whose offensive abilities were quite limited, to be polite. I hoped that the light bulb would come on with PS about the importance of having a good, efficient offense to complement your defense, given how the game had changed. Didn't happen. I thought Warlick might notice--but no light on with her either. We've got four coaches at one of the premier programs in the game (we used to be THE premier program but can't say that anymore)--and NOT ONE of them is the sharp offensive mind that we need.
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Defense wins games - offense merely determines the margin of victory" Geno Auriemma


One glaring example of a weakness in UT's offense is assists. Look at the NCAA rankings for assists over the last few years. IMO it indicates that sharing the ball is not being emphasized by the coaching staff. Players (especially guards) need to be taught how to recognize which player has the best shot - and then get them the ball. Currently it seems like UT's offense seems to be jack it up and hope your big guys get the rebound.
 
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armchair said:
I could only chuckle, and shake my head, when I read that Law worked for Stringer (prior to taking the Illinois job) and I presume has a reputation for coaching defense. Warlick, of course, is up to eyeballs in PS's defense-is-everything philosophy (born in the early days of women's basketball), and Elzy, when playing for UT was, you guessed it, a defensive specialist whose offensive abilities were quite limited, to be polite. I hoped that the light bulb would come on with PS about the importance of having a good, efficient offense to complement your defense, given how the game had changed. Didn't happen. I thought Warlick might notice--but no light on with her either. We've got four coaches at one of the premier programs in the game (we used to be THE premier program but can't say that anymore)--and NOT ONE of them is the sharp offensive mind that we need.
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I will 100% agree with you on this statement. Not sure what they do behind closed doors but they should reach out to other coaches on the men's teams about adjusting the offense.
 
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mlindsay said:
That is the same thing I was thinking and she has also expressed a desire to coach! I feel she should be given the title Recruiting Director! (If that is a title, if not create it) I love coach Elzy but I think catchings can relate more to the players currently because she is still playing the game. Having her back on campus as early as next fall would help with the 2016 class and moving forward. I wouldn't be surprise if Tyler Summit doesn't reach out to her first because he could use someone of her caliber on his staff as well.
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She said in an intervew recently, since she is retiring, she definitely doesnt want to coach. :(
 
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Hmmmm I know it's probably never going to happen but...... What about having Chamique on staff or is that an obvious heck no lol
 
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brassie said:
Defense wins games - offense merely determines the margin of victory" Geno Auriemma


One glaring example of a weakness in UT's offense is assists. Look at the NCAA rankings for assists over the last few years. IMO it indicates that sharing the ball is not being emphasized by the coaching staff. Players (especially guards) need to be taught how to recognize which player has the best shot - and then get them the ball. Currently it seems like UT's offense seems to be jack it up and hope your big guys get the rebound.
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I noticed the assist thing back in the CP3 era, 6-8 assist as a team... I was like wow that cant be good (but CP3 did win back to back titles).
Did the assist numbers get any better with AMass on board?
 
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