Former president of Mexico, Diego Fernandez de Cevallos Ramos kidnapped.

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Former Mexico presidential candidate kidnapped

Something that is comletely overlooked and never talked about is that the 71-year reign of the Institutional Revolutionary Party, or PRI, in Mexico coincided almost exactly with the rule of the USSR.

It was no accident that Wall Street and Woodrow Wilson's boy Trotski was in Mexico when Stalin's assassins caught up with him.


Family of missing Mexican politician asks gov’t to stay out of ‘negotiation’ for him

It does seem odd to know that Trotsky ran to Mexico. I always wondered about that.
 
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It does seem odd to know that Trotsky ran to Mexico. I always wondered about that.

Hoover wrote a book about the communist party called; "Masters of Deceipt."

For a fact, during the cold war the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City had by far the most traffic of any embassy of any nationality in the world.

Recently American consular employees have been attacked and killed south of the border.

http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=527376

Some judges in America seem more interested in protecting the rights of illegal aliens than enforcing the law.

Blog | Judicial Watch

Some municipalities are becoming safe havens for illegal immigrants and propose to give them voting rights.

Voting Rights For Illegal Immigrants | Judicial Watch

Calderon and Obama want to use the problem to advance gun control in the USA.

FOXNews.com - Mexico's Calderon Knows Nothing About America's Gun Laws

America manufactures a legal product that only non-criminals can purchase. Hundreds of thousands of American citizens purchase and own that product with no incident. We do our best to keep that product out of criminal hands. But the LEFTISTS who allow criminals out of jail do manage to obtain that product illegally.

Mexican citizens cross the border — AN ILLEGAL ACT.

Mexican citizens purchase that product — AN ILLEGAL ACT.

Mexican citizens carry that product back across the border — AN ILLEGAL ACT.

Mexican citizens then sell that product to others — AN ILLEGAL ACT.

Yet, somehow in the twisted brain of this tyrannical Socialist, the gun problem in Mexico is America’s fault.

Mexico has very strong socialist modeled gun control laws yet more people have been killed in their drug wars there (22,000+) than in the war in Afghanistan.
 
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No one is more pro-gun than I am. But to think that arms manufactures would not conceivably take advantage of an armed conflict to make a profit ignores reality and history. It speaks to the nature of what pres Eisenhower said of the possible threat of the military industrial complex. All I would point out is that our RIGHT to purchase and bear their products is absolute, but it still isn't cool that American companies may be arming the very people that could do us grave harm. I've read that there are some hundreds or thousands of gun shops that sit right along the Mexico border. Shouldn't they make the guns for the good guys and not the bad guys?
 
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Wasn't Oswald photographed visiting the Soviet embassy in Mexico City?

If the kidnappers release the former candidate / hostage unharmed at - but not across- the US border, will our Federal Govrernment seek to arrest them?

Considering that they've committed no crimes in the US, should they?

What if they immediately get jobs, and never violate US law? What if their kids come, too, and are immediately enrolled in school?

Will Mexico attempt to extradite them back for prosecution? If so, do they make similiar attempts to extradite any Mexican citizen suspected of a crime, and whom they believe to be living illegally in the US?

Would the US comply by arresting them in preparation for their extradition? If so, how will they know that they have the correct suspects, considering that they're undocumented? Would they just walk up and ask any person of Hispanic / Latino descent to produce proof of identification and / or citizenship? Could an argument be made that this constitutes racial profiling?

How would these hostage takers be any different than any other illegal alien living in the US, if at all? Should they be, or not?

Likely, these won't be the only illegal aliens who are wanted by another country for crimes committed elsewhere.

And in advance of the naive argument that the taking of a hostage somehow makes this worse - I'll proactively remind you of the tens of thousands of people who are illegally residing in the US, after having been brought here against their will (ie human trafficking, sex trade, children, etc.) - and according to this Administration, whose captors should not only be afforded a process to apply for and receive amnesty, but to become a US citizen.

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No one is more pro-gun than I am. But to think that arms manufactures would not conceivably take advantage of an armed conflict to make a profit ignores reality and history. It speaks to the nature of what pres Eisenhower said of the possible threat of the military industrial complex. All I would point out is that our RIGHT to purchase and bear their products is absolute, but it still isn't cool that American companies may be arming the very people that could do us grave harm. I've read that there are some hundreds or thousands of gun shops that sit right along the Mexico border. Shouldn't they make the guns for the good guys and not the bad guys?

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It is up to state and federal officials to enforce legal gun sales, one must have a federal license to sell guns and if caught violating rules will lose his license and face time in federal prison. That isn't the problem, and I've not read either that there are hundreds of thousands of gun shops near the border, where did you get that??

Calderon, Obama, Holder and Clinton are lying through their teeth and they know it!!

In the first place if we didn't have literally millions of illegal aliens running around lose in America they couldn't possibly be illegally purchasing weapons and smuggling them to Mexico, which is Mexico's problem anyway, if they don't want things being smuggled into Mexico, then guard their border.

The fact is, only 17 percent of guns found at Mexican crime scenes have been traced to the U.S.

What’s true, an ATF spokeswoman told FOXNews.com, in a clarification of the statistic used by her own agency’s assistant director, “is that over 90 percent of the traced firearms originate from the U.S.”

But a large percentage of the guns recovered in Mexico do not get sent back to the U.S. for tracing, because it is obvious from their markings that they do not come from the U.S.

“Not every weapon seized in Mexico has a serial number on it that would make it traceable, and the U.S. effort to trace weapons really only extends to weapons that have been in the U.S. market,” Matt Allen, special agent of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), told FOX News.

In 2007-2008, according to ATF Special Agent William Newell, Mexico submitted 11,000 guns to the ATF for tracing. Close to 6,000 were successfully traced — and of those, 90 percent — 5,114 to be exact, according to testimony in Congress by William Hoover — were found to have come from the U.S.

But in those same two years, according to the Mexican government, 29,000 guns were recovered at crime scenes.

In other words, 68 percent of the guns that were recovered were never submitted for tracing. And when you weed out the roughly 6,000 guns that could not be traced from the remaining 32 percent, it means 83 percent of the guns found at crime scenes in Mexico could not be traced to the U.S.

So, if not from the U.S., where do they come from? There are a variety of sources:

— The Black Market. Mexico is a virtual arms bazaar, with fragmentation grenades from South Korea, AK-47s from China, and shoulder-fired rocket launchers from Spain, Israel and former Soviet bloc manufacturers.

— Russian crime organizations. Interpol says Russian Mafia groups such as Poldolskaya and Moscow-based Solntsevskaya are actively trafficking drugs and arms in Mexico.

- South America. During the late 1990s, the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) established a clandestine arms smuggling and drug trafficking partnership with the Tijuana cartel, according to the Federal Research Division report from the Library of Congress. (Chavez recently purchased 250,000 AK-47s from Russia)

— Asia. According to a 2006 Amnesty International Report, China has provided arms to countries in Asia, Africa and Latin America. Chinese assault weapons and Korean explosives have been recovered in Mexico.

— The Mexican Army. More than 150,000 soldiers deserted in the last six years, according to Mexican Congressman Robert Badillo. Many took their weapons with them, including the standard issue M-16 assault rifle made in Belgium.

— Guatemala. U.S. intelligence agencies say traffickers move immigrants, stolen cars, guns and drugs, including most of America’s cocaine, along the porous Mexican-Guatemalan border. On March 27, La Hora, a Guatemalan newspaper, reported that police seized 500 grenades and a load of AK-47s on the border. Police say the cache was transported by a Mexican drug cartel operating out of Ixcan, a border town.

-- No doubt Cuba would be the source of many of the weapons.

Question; if stringent gun control laws have been in place for a long time in Mexico and 22,000 people have been killed in recent drug war violence do you think such stringent gun laws would work in America??

HELL NO, before long only the criminals would be armed and the US Supreme Court has ruled that police forces ARE NOT responsible for protecting individual citizens.

An armed society is a polite society, look at the cities in America where they have strict gun laws such as Chicago where it is more dangerous to live than Iraq and Afghanistan.

Criminals will find some way to aquire weapons, denying law abiding citizens their constitutional gun ownership rights isn't the answer. :no:







Flashback, nearly ten years ago.

The Mexican invasion of the United States of America
 
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No one is more pro-gun than I am. But to think that arms manufactures would not conceivably take advantage of an armed conflict to make a profit ignores reality and history. It speaks to the nature of what pres Eisenhower said of the possible threat of the military industrial complex. All I would point out is that our RIGHT to purchase and bear their products is absolute, but it still isn't cool that American companies may be arming the very people that could do us grave harm. I've read that there are some hundreds or thousands of gun shops that sit right along the Mexico border. Shouldn't they make the guns for the good guys and not the bad guys?

I doubt two things:

1. You are as pro gun as anyone.

2. There are hundreds of thousands of gun shops near the border.

Question; Do guns sold to THE Mexican government that end up in the hands of drug cartel members count in their statistics of 'traceable to the USA?'







Wasn't Oswald photographed visiting the Soviet embassy in Mexico City?

If the kidnappers release the former candidate / hostage unharmed at - but not across- the US border, will our Federal Govrernment seek to arrest them?

Considering that they've committed no crimes in the US, should they?

What if they immediately get jobs, and never violate US law? What if their kids come, too, and are immediately enrolled in school?

Will Mexico attempt to extradite them back for prosecution? If so, do they make similiar attempts to extradite any Mexican citizen suspected of a crime, and whom they believe to be living illegally in the US?

Would the US comply by arresting them in preparation for their extradition? If so, how will they know that they have the correct suspects, considering that they're undocumented? Would they just walk up and ask any person of Hispanic / Latino descent to produce proof of identification and / or citizenship? Could an argument be made that this constitutes racial profiling?

How would these hostage takers be any different than any other illegal alien living in the US, if at all? Should they be, or not?

Likely, these won't be the only illegal aliens who are wanted by another country for crimes committed elsewhere.

And in advance of the naive argument that the taking of a hostage somehow makes this worse - I'll proactively remind you of the tens of thousands of people who are illegally residing in the US, after having been brought here against their will (ie human trafficking, sex trade, children, etc.) - and according to this Administration, whose captors should not only be afforded a process to apply for and receive amnesty, but to become a US citizen.

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Stange thing happened on the way to the forum, Cavalos lost an election because he mysteriously disappeared for weeks before the day to vote and no explanation was ever given.

WSJ

Ignoring Oswald's communist links, journalists and political leaders quickly claimed the president was a martyr to civil rights. Earl Warren said that Kennedy had "suffered martyrdom as a result of the hatred and bitterness that has been injected into the life of our nation by bigots." Martin Luther King said the assassination had to be viewed against the backdrop of violence against civil rights marchers in the South. James Reston wrote in the New York Times that "something in the nation itself, some strain of madness and violence, had destroyed the highest symbol of law and order."


The consensus opinion was that Kennedy was a victim of hate and bigotry, a casualty of his support for civil rights. The Cold War and Kennedy's ongoing feud with Castro were rarely mentioned as factors behind the assassination. The reasons? Mrs. Kennedy wanted her husband remembered as a modern-day Abraham Lincoln. Lyndon Johnson feared complicating relations with the Soviet Union. Liberals feared a replay of the McCarthy period, when the Wisconsin senator inflamed public opinion about fears of domestic communism.

BTW, John and Robert Kennedy were the last two senators to stick with McCarthy in his effort to root communists out of the US State Departnent, also known as 'foggy bottom.'

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Camelot and the Cultural Revolution: How the Assassination of John F. Kennedy Shattered American Liberalism Intellectual Conservative Politics and Philosophy

Kennedy was an anti-Communist liberal who believed in fighting communists in Vietnam as well as in the Western Hemisphere. (Admittedly, his measures were halting and ineffective.) He made several attempts to have Castro assassinated. He and his father were personal friends of Senator Joseph McCarthy, who exposed the communist infiltration of the U.S. government.

Kennedy was also a member of the National Rifle Association. Senator Hubert Humphrey of Minnesota, a one-time Democrat candidate for President, had gone on record defending the Second Amendment as the means for preserving the militia which might someday be needed to resist a tyrannical American government.

Anti-communism and support of the Second Amendment evaporated almost overnight following Kennedy's assassination. Soon, the enemy in Vietnam shifted from the communist aggressors in North Vietnam to the United States, and by 1968 guns had become a target of national restrictive legislation.
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Because it was no secret that Kennedy was trying to remove Castro, Oswald decided to get revenge for Castro. Oswald was a wannabe serial assassin. He had come within inches of murdering retired anti-communist General Edwin Walker in his Dallas home. (The shot was deflected by window glass.)
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As one who lived through that national tragedy, I well remember the media focus on the "climate of hate" that had led to Kennedy's martyrdom. Not a word was said of Castro, or of the Soviet Union where Oswald had lived for a time as a defector.
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Neither Jackie Kennedy nor the Warren Commission which was appointed to look into the assassination put any focus on Oswald's communism. As a result, liberals convinced themselves that a sick and evil America had killed Kennedy. America was odious. America had to be brought down. Guns were also a contributing factor and had to be eliminated.

Hence, the culture war against America became intense soon after the assassination. The media, along with celebrity America-haters such as John Kerry and Jane Fonda, swung public opinion against America's effort to stop the spread of communism in Southeast Asia. Some 2,500,000 Vietnamese and Cambodians were slaughtered, but the liberals never seemed to notice.

The street demonstrators that shut down universities in the 1960's became the professors of those same schools from the 1970's until today. From their tenured perches they have continued their campaign against America, turning generation after generation against America's Christian roots and foundation as a constitutional republic.
 
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I didn't say hundreds of thousands, I said hundreds or thousands. The exact number escaped my recollection so I used a generality. I am almost certain it was in the thousands. The point is, why set up shop in that trade in that locale? Seems to fill a need where there is a demand. We hold companies that sell other products accountable for their products. Certainly there is a way for arms manufacturers provide our citizenry with what is our constitutional right while not profiting off of what amounts to an armed insurgency across our southern border.

And yes, I am as pro-gun as anyone.

The point about the Mexican government getting arms to the cartels is a good one. That place is rife with corruption and that probably does happen. But at least Calderon is confronting them and doing something. He has put himself out there with a bounty on his head for life doing what we've been saying he needs to do, and that's confronting the cartels. Better than being in bed with them.

But I draw the line there. Anyone who tries to use this situation to further restrict our gun rights is wrongheaded.
 
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I have entered Mexico from a few different places and have never seen these gun shops. Of course I wasn't looking but it seems hard to miss if it's truly on the scale you describe
 
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I didn't say hundreds of thousands, I said hundreds or thousands. The exact number escaped my recollection so I used a generality. I am almost certain it was in the thousands. The point is, why set up shop in that trade in that locale? Seems to fill a need where there is a demand. We hold companies that sell other products accountable for their products. Certainly there is a way for arms manufacturers provide our citizenry with what is our constitutional right while not profiting off of what amounts to an armed insurgency across our southern border.

And yes, I am as pro-gun as anyone.

The point about the Mexican government getting arms to the cartels is a good one. That place is rife with corruption and that probably does happen. But at least Calderon is confronting them and doing something. He has put himself out there with a bounty on his head for life doing what we've been saying he needs to do, and that's confronting the cartels. Better than being in bed with them.

But I draw the line there. Anyone who tries to use this situation to further restrict our gun rights is wrongheaded.

My bad entirely for misreading your post and going off, I totally apologize and see we are on the same page. :)

I do admit Calderon's belated war against the cartels is comendable but I still don't trust him as far as I can throw him and think it is partly at least window dressing.

At any rate his propaganda about American gun law being his problem is just an outright, blatent lie and he knows it.

We can trust this administration and lamestream kneepadmedia to try to sell this lie to the American people no doubt.

You do have a point about the military industrial complex but small arms are a drop in the bucket compared to the big picture.






I have entered Mexico from a few different places and have never seen these gun shops. Of course I wasn't looking but it seems hard to miss if it's truly on the scale you describe

The last time I came accross the border our customs officials went through everything we had including the girl friend's dirty underwear and even strip searched us.

After we passed muster and were walking out to our car to straighten out the floor matts and be on our way, a tanker truck with apparently a hispanic driver (excuse the profiling) came accross and was waved on without even a stop to say hello or buenas dias, I should say.

That truck could have had 40 tons of drugs or 60 or 70 illegals and they didn't even ask for his paperwork.

OTOH, when we went into Mexico we could have had a trunk load of AKs but they only smiled and waved us on, love those American dollars. (like the peso is worth anything.)

They want to talk about guns going to Mexico?? How about the $3b (and growing) illegals send down there every year??



LaHood: Announcement on Mexico Truck Proposal Is 'Closer Than Soon' - Truckinginfo.com
 
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No problem at all, gs. I Googled "gun shops mexican border" to refresh my memory and found a NYT artilcle that put the number at 6,600 licensed dealers along or near the border. It goes on to say that it's a "parade of ants" and not one large supplier. The story revolves around a gun shop that had weapons traced back to it after a raid in Mexico erupted into an intense firefight. They are now being prosecuted. These are the incidences that the anti-gun folks seize upon to push their agenda. I see it as a mutually exclusive issue. One are profiteers seeking to make a buck off a terrible situation, the other of where to draw the line in the restriction of a constitutional right.

Your other point about small arms not being the end-all solution I also agree with. These are not fully automatic weapons here. I love how the LSM likes to group any rifle ino the "assult" catagory. It is a term that has menacing connotations and is done on purpose to further their agenda.
 
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No problem at all, gs. I Googled "gun shops mexican border" to refresh my memory and found a NYT artilcle that put the number at 6,600 licensed dealers along or near the border. It goes on to say that it's a "parade of ants" and not one large supplier. The story revolves around a gun shop that had weapons traced back to it after a raid in Mexico erupted into an intense firefight. They are now being prosecuted. These are the incidences that the anti-gun folks seize upon to push their agenda. I see it as a mutually exclusive issue. One are profiteers seeking to make a buck off a terrible situation, the other of where to draw the line in the restriction of a constitutional right.

Your other point about small arms not being the end-all solution I also agree with. These are not fully automatic weapons here. I love how the LSM likes to group any rifle ino the "assult" catagory. It is a term that has menacing connotations and is done on purpose to further their agenda.

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I trust the NY Slimes to print the truth about as much as I trust a copperhead in my sleeping bag. Even if they use some factual information they are going to spin it to their liking and they have won more than one pulitzer prize printing outright lies.

Anyway, one out of 6,600 isn't a bad average and according to them he hasn't been convicted, I doubt that he sold the gun illegally although it may have ended up in the wrong hands.
 

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