Four criteria met by last nine national champions

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I flipped over to Oregon vs Wisconsin during a break in our game yesterday and LaPhonzo Ellis was talking about it. Here are the four catagories he noted and how TN currently ranks in each:

- Top 9 in offensive efficiency (Vols currently 55th)
- Top 22 in defensive efficiency (Vols currently 3rd)
- 36%+ 3-point FG (Vols 34.7% which ranks 127—jumped .6 of a point and 28 spots just after yesterday’s game)
- At least 1 projected 1st round pick (one service has Lanier currently projected to go in 2nd round of NBA draft with 50th pick but most others don’t have him listed at all)

If this analysis holds true again this year it’s hard not to consider Duke the prohibitive favorite 🤮 heading into March. They’re high in every category above and have three projected 1st round picks. I thought their strength of schedule would be relatively low with the ACC being garbage, but they currently rank 10th. Auburn, Bama, Tennessee, and Kentucky are 1-4 in SOS.
 
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Yeah this isn’t a championship caliber team. Just doesn’t have enough shooting or scoring. If we had had a healthy Estrella and another year of Knecht, then that’s the caliber of team that could win it all. We should probably be happy with making the second weekend. Getting back to the Elite 8 would be a remarkable run.
 
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I flipped over to Oregon vs Wisconsin during a break in our game yesterday and LaPhonzo Ellis was talking about it. Here are the four catagories he noted and how TN currently ranks in each:

- Top 9 in offensive efficiency (Vols currently 55th)
- Top 22 in defensive efficiency (Vols currently 3rd)
- 36%+ 3-point FG (Vols 34.7% which ranks 127—jumped .6 of a point and 28 spots just after yesterday’s game)
- At least 1 projected 1st round pick (one service has Lanier currently projected to go in 2nd round of NBA draft with 50th pick but most others don’t have him listed at all)

If this analysis holds true again this year it’s hard not to consider Duke the prohibitive favorite 🤮 heading into March. They’re high in every category above and have three projected 1st round picks. I thought their strength of schedule would be relatively low with the ACC being garbage, but they currently rank 10th. Auburn, Bama, Tennessee, and Kentucky are 1-4 in SOS.
More than half the SEC is probably top25 SoS.. because they play each other lol and that number will increase over the next couple weeks. Duke's last 4 games won't help their SoS.

Here is a thing I don't get. The ACC only has 3 ranked teams. How is Duke's SOS so high? I feel like the ACC teams like UNC and Wake get a pity boost. Lets be honest Duke's OOC schedule was rough... gotta give them that but the ACC is so bad this year compared to what they normally are.
 
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More than half the SEC is probably top25 SoS.. because they play each other lol and that number will increase over the next couple weeks. Duke's last 4 games won't help their SoS.

Here is a thing I don't get. The ACC only has 3 ranked teams. How is Duke's SOS so high? I feel like the ACC teams like UNC and Wake get a pity boost. Lets be honest Duke's OOC schedule was rough... gotta give them that but the ACC is so bad this year compared to what they normally are.
Duke’s overall SOS is 52, which isn’t great. Non-conference SOS is solid at 23 and included Kentucky, Kansas, Auburn, Arizona, and Illinois. They’ve also been bludgeoning teams all season.

SOS is entirely based on metrics so it’s impossible for anyone to get a “pity boost.” There’s no human element involved.
 
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Duke’s overall SOS is 52, which isn’t great. Non-conference SOS is solid at 23 and included Kentucky, Kansas, Auburn, Arizona, and Illinois. They’ve also been bludgeoning teams all season.

SOS is entirely based on metrics so it’s impossible for anyone to get a “pity boost.” There’s no human element involved.

This is the ranking I went by that shows Duke at the No. 10 SOS. I thought it was odd they were ranked that high and 52 seems to be more in line for sure.

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As it stands to date, here are several school’s number of Quad I & II wins/losses:
Auburn 19-2
Duke 11-3
Houston 15-4
Florida 14-3
Tennessee 12-5
Alabama 16-5
Texas Tech 11-5
Iowa State 13-6
Arizona 10-9
 
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at this point, I'd say it's Auburn/Duke as top 2 and UF #3, but the separation from past years to the rest of the field is more nominal...no Purdue or Uconn trouncing thru the tourney field this year. Defense on neutral court helps us, but our depth is probably a worry, and the two things that have bitten us this year is having some teams like KY come out and shoot 50% (field and 3's) against our vaunted D, and when we have one of those really bad shooting nights. If we can manage to just be "average" in our shooting thru the tourney, we'll be in most all of our games, if not have an advantage.
 
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As it stands to date, here are several school’s number of Quad I & II wins/losses:
Auburn 19-2
Duke 11-3
Houston 15-4
Florida 14-3
Tennessee 12-5
Alabama 16-5
Texas Tech 11-5
Iowa State 13-6
Arizona 10-9
Texas Tech is intriguing to me. Lot of good wins surrounding a monster one @ Houston.
Gonna be a big Red Raider fan when they meet again, in Lubbock tomorrow night.
 
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I can simplify this for you.

15 of the last 17 NCAA champions were top 6 on Team Rankings the day before the tournament.

The two outliers? UCONN 2011 and 2014

Currently we are 6th

 
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Here… NCAA Basketball Stats - NCAA BB Team Offensive Efficiency | TeamRankings.com

However, these ranking may not jive with “official” numbers but I don’t know where else to go to find that information. My assumption is the site I’m using is relatively accurate with the data being updated daily.
Try KenPom.com. Not that it’s the final authority on these things, but it is one of the main tools used by the national media and the selection committee.
 
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Duke’s overall SOS is 52, which isn’t great. Non-conference SOS is solid at 23 and included Kentucky, Kansas, Auburn, Arizona, and Illinois. They’ve also been bludgeoning teams all season.

SOS is entirely based on metrics so it’s impossible for anyone to get a “pity boost.” There’s no human element involved.
The thing about SoS is where and when you look because its not a set number it changes literally day to day. There is also SoR which is the more accurate number for the present because it matches your current record with the SoS of the teams you have played.

As of this moment according to ESPN Dukes Sor is 4 and their current SOS is 33. IF you look at current SOR rankings (which is what I think a lot of people are putting out there as SoS in a most cases) there are 8 SEC teams i nthe top 25 with Ole Miss being 26th. Now as far as current SoS only 5 SEC teams are in top 25. Remaining SoS 10 SEC teams. I know a lot of numbers that seem to be unrelated and contradictory.

My theory is this. ACC got some preseason love and its taken time for the rubber hitting the road to come into play. The SEC was WAY better than people thought. Before conference play started the worst SEC record was 10-3. 83% of all SEC teams losses have come in conference play. Only 68% of ACC losses happened in conference play. What does this mean? 1 ACC teams took a lot more OOC losses. 2 The gap between the top ACC teams and the bottom is HUGE. 11/18 ACC teams have losing conference records (under .500). Only 7/16 SEc teams are under 500. The wins in the ACC are concentrated in less teams.

This puts Duke in a weird situation where they played a really good OOC schedule and dominated it. Then got to go on cruise control in their conference. Its not their fault their conference opponents underperformed but its put them in a position where they are the team to beat. Duke is 'well rested' and wont face any real challengers outside of themselves till the tourney. SEC teams are beat the F up playing each other. This does not mean Duke is a shoe-in but it gives them a huge advantage comparatively. In that same breath their roster is nuts. They have more talent* than any other top6 team and its not close.

Top 6 players (production)
Duke 4 freshmen a junior and a senior
Auburn 4 seniors and 2 freshmen
Florida 3 Seniors a freshman 2 sophs and a junior.
Bama 4 Seniors 1 soph 1 fresh
Houston 3 Seniors 2 Juniors and 1Soph
Tennessee 5 Seniors and a junior

Duke only has 2 upper classmen contributing, 3 if you go 8 deep. Of these top 6 teams outside of Duke no one has more than 2 freshman contributors and only Auburn has more than 1. Even throwing in Sophs no one goes over 3 underclassmen but Duke. Florida is the only school other than Duke with more than 2 underclassmen in the mix. The SEC has reached parity via portal (upperclassmen) Duke is still on the one and done train. I think that train is dying because other bluebloods like UNC, Kentucky and so on are not doing well there.

The big nasty takeaways.

We likely are not in final 4 contention. Our depth is too not depthy. We are too vulnerable to injuries. Fully healthy we probably have the best chance to make the final 4 on experience alone.
Duke, UT, Auburn and Bama are looking at all-or-nothing trips to the portal. They all lose 5-6 guys to graduation/draft. UT loses damn near the whole roster. Florida and Houston are likely to bring back some decent proven talent.
Basketball is not football. 2-3 guys on a football team can get you a couple games and get you over the hump. 2-3 in basketball is cutting down nets. No football player has EVER carried the load of a midpack Basketball Star and that's just a math thing. 5 guys on the court each guy has a bigger impact. In basketball you can have have 2-3 meh guys in your rotation and overcome that. In football 2-3 scrubs on either side and you're toast. Lawd help you if you have 2-3 on both sides.


*talent metric is simple if I'm 18 doing the same thing as you at 20 I'm more talented than you. If you're 22 and I'm doing 80% of what you are at 18, I'm more talented than you.
 
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I flipped over to Oregon vs Wisconsin during a break in our game yesterday and LaPhonzo Ellis was talking about it. Here are the four catagories he noted and how TN currently ranks in each:

- Top 9 in offensive efficiency (Vols currently 55th)
- Top 22 in defensive efficiency (Vols currently 3rd)
- 36%+ 3-point FG (Vols 34.7% which ranks 127—jumped .6 of a point and 28 spots just after yesterday’s game)
- At least 1 projected 1st round pick (one service has Lanier currently projected to go in 2nd round of NBA draft with 50th pick but most others don’t have him listed at all)

If this analysis holds true again this year it’s hard not to consider Duke the prohibitive favorite 🤮 heading into March. They’re high in every category above and have three projected 1st round picks. I thought their strength of schedule would be relatively low with the ACC being garbage, but they currently rank 10th. Auburn, Bama, Tennessee, and Kentucky are 1-4 in SOS.
What’s the timeframe on this? 10 years ago a team won it all with 39th ranked offense…

Also, what metric has us at 55th in offensive efficiency?
 
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Irrelevant. I learned at the great University of Tennessee, long ago, that statistical relevance requires at least 27 samples. Most statisticians seem to just round that up to 30 minimum.
 
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I can simplify this for you.

15 of the last 17 NCAA champions were top 6 on Team Rankings the day before the tournament.

The two outliers? UCONN 2011 and 2014

Currently we are 6th

Then you have this…


Houston wasn’t on it, leaves Duke, Alabama, Florida, Auburn & Tennessee.
 
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This team just lacks consistency. They could beat any team they face when they are playing well. They do have that high of a ceiling.

But for some reason, we are the most consistently inconsistent team. This year is more frustrating than any other team I have watched in the past several years.
 
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Yeah this isn’t a championship caliber team. Just doesn’t have enough shooting or scoring. If we had had a healthy Estrella and another year of Knecht, then that’s the caliber of team that could win it all. We should probably be happy with making the second weekend. Getting back to the Elite 8 would be a remarkable run.
I hate to agree, but spot on. I don’t see a path to the final four w/ the lack of scorers on this roster.
 
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This team just lacks consistency. They could beat any team they face when they are playing well. They do have that high of a ceiling.

But for some reason, we are the most consistently inconsistent team. This year is more frustrating than any other team I have watched in the past several years.
It’s the only real team you watch, I presume. Every team is inconsistent in college basketball except maybe a few. Auburn has escaped games. When you are 22-5 in what has been called maybe the best conference slate ever, it’s actually not inconsistent.
 

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