From a Kentucky fan...

#28
#28
The longest UK has gone without a final four appearance is 9 years. They aren't gonna put up with that much longer.
 
#29
#29
(Lexvol @ Jan 20 said:
The longest UK has gone without a final four appearance is 9 years. They aren't gonna put up with that much longer.
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As restless as the natives are getting, we better not scrub the Tub. He's still one of the best coaches in the country, and we'd have a hard time finding someone seasoned enough to come in and make an immediate impact.

Welcome to the site, Blue Baron. Always room for another one of us here. I'm more of a football guy, but I tolerate the roundball.
 
#30
#30
scrub the tub brian tubby is through. you guys deserve a better coach. with that program, coaches from all over the country will be in lexington begging for a chance. but you can't have pearl he's the best.
 
#31
#31
I wouldnt call tubby washed up, he is a very good coach and has more to his resume then almost any other... dont be so quick to throw him out of lexington... of course if fans always had it there way, mack brown would have been fired for never been able to win the big one at texas, tommy tuberville would have been fired for his horrible season before his undefeated season, and mike holgrem would have been fired last year for his mediocre seattle seahawks... this list goes on and on.....
 
#32
#32
that is true if i was AD of texas mack brown would not be there. tubberville and holgrem on the other hand would still be. you are talking about auburn and seattle not a powerhouse like texas. also kentucky in suppose to be the best program in college basketball. for them not to get to the final four except for 98 when he won with pitino's team is ridiculous. tubby is not a good coach and for our sake i hope he stays around because in a few years we will own them. but for brian's sake i would run him out of lexington as fast as i could they are no better than average and that should never happen at that program.
 
#33
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(smokedog#3 @ Jan 23 said:
that is true if i was AD of texas mack brown would not be there. tubberville and holgrem on the other hand would still be. you are talking about auburn and seattle not a powerhouse like texas. also kentucky in suppose to be the best program in college basketball. for them not to get to the final four except for 98 when he won with pitino's team is ridiculous. tubby is not a good coach and for our sake i hope he stays around because in a few years we will own them. but for brian's sake i would run him out of lexington as fast as i could they are no better than average and that should never happen at that program.
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Not a good coach? Guess you didn't notice his years at Tulsa and Georgia. Also, given how thoroughly he has dominated the SEC in his tenure at UK, what does that say about the rest of the coaches in the league?
 
#34
#34
in the sec you have one other good coach and that is donovan. he can't keep his players there to save his life they either jump pro after one year or get booted off the team for fighting or gambling. pearl and donovan are the best in the sec by far. tubby did a descent job with tulsa and georgia, but that won't cut it at kentucky. there fan's won't put up with it and i don't blame them. 98 he won with pitino's team and he hasn't been back to the final 4 since and he is never going back. he has 3 all american's on that team and they still stink. he also said lofton wasn't good enough to start at kentucky i think he regrets that comment. he has ruled the down sec now for years, but times are changing. other teams are catching up or caught the cats with less talent sort of like fulmer. if i was a kentucky fan i would be screaming for his head he needs to go his tenure is over. he can't even get the big players to come to lexington anymore, he is done. it is only amatter of time.
 
#35
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(smokedog#3 @ Jan 23 said:
in the sec you have one other good coach and that is donovan. he can't keep his players there to save his life they either jump pro after one year or get booted off the team for fighting or gambling. pearl and donovan are the best in the sec by far. tubby did a descent job with tulsa and georgia, but that won't cut it at kentucky. there fan's won't put up with it and i don't blame them. 98 he won with pitino's team and he hasn't been back to the final 4 since and he is never going back. he has 3 all american's on that team and they still stink. he also said lofton wasn't good enough to start at kentucky i think he regrets that comment. he has ruled the down sec now for years, but times are changing. other teams are catching up or caught the cats with less talent sort of like fulmer. if i was a kentucky fan i would be screaming for his head he needs to go his tenure is over. he can't even get the big players to come to lexington anymore, he is done. it is only amatter of time.
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Pitino and Huggins both said the same thing about Lofton. Just curious, what's Donovan's record against Smith?
 
#36
#36
like i said donavan never has had the talent to compete with smith. if he ever gets close he beats him, but he loses all his talent to the draft the next year and has to start over. i believe donovan has been to the final 4 since 98 to. if i had to pick against those two coaches there is no dought it would be billy.
 
#37
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(smokedog#3 @ Jan 23 said:
like i said donavan never has had the talent to compete with smith. if he ever gets close he beats him, but he loses all his talent to the draft the next year and has to start over. i believe donovan has been to the final 4 since 98 to. if i had to pick against those two coaches there is no dought it would be billy.
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I can tell you fom personal experience, Tubby has almost universal respect among his peers. The same certainly can't be said for Donovan. You keep talking about Tubby winning with "Pitino's team." Would that be the squad Rick so looked forward to coaching that he finally took an NBA offer and skipped town? As to all of this great talent Tubby has had, please name any of his guys who are more than journeymen NBA players.
 
#38
#38
tubby always has 2-3 all americans on his team. pitino left for 5 million reasons and part ownership of the celtics, and he has stated it was the worst mistake of his life. pitino was an excellent judge of talent like roy williams, tom izzo, mike K and so forth smith is not. i have alot of family that lives in southern kentucky and they don't even watch the cats anymore. there is no reason to they are boring and going nowhere they need a change. i'm trying to get them to come over to the darkside and watch the vols now there is a team with a future and areal coach. :devilsmoke:
 
#39
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(smokedog#3 @ Jan 23 said:
tubby always has 2-3 all americans on his team. pitino left for 5 million reasons and part ownership of the celtics, and he has stated it was the worst mistake of his life. pitino was an excellent judge of talent like roy williams, tom izzo, mike K and so forth smith is not. i have alot of family that lives in southern kentucky and they don't even watch the cats anymore. there is no reason to they are boring and going nowhere they need a change. i'm trying to get them to come over to the darkside and watch the vols now there is a team with a future and areal coach. :devilsmoke:
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Really, 2-3 All Americans? I'm looking at the last five years, and I don't see any Kentucky guys on the season ending 1st or 2nd team all-american lists. Pitino was offered more money and a bigger ownership stake in the Nets the year before. Also, the Nets at that time were owned by personal friends of Rick. Pitino jumped when he did because he didn't want to coach a team with Jeff Sheppard or Scott Padgett as its best player.
 
#40
#40
dude you are misinformed i used to live in kentucky. pitino took the money and i believe at the time they were giving 25% ownership in the team. by all american i mean highschool all americans. like this year rohando, crawford and morris were all parade all americans coming out of highschool. as for not wanting to coach a team with the talent they had on it in 98 well i really don't know of a coach who wouldn't have wanted to coach that team. that team was still pretty well stacked turner, magloire, padgett, shepard, mohammed, mills , edwards, evans, yep a team to walk away from dude get real they were pre-season favorites to get to the final 4. like i said don't know where you are getting your info from, but you have been misinformed.
 
#41
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(smokedog#3 @ Jan 23 said:
dude you are misinformed i used to live in kentucky. pitino took the money and i believe at the time they were giving 25% ownership in the team. by all american i mean highschool all americans. like this year rohando, crawford and morris were all parade all americans coming out of highschool. as for not wanting to coach a team with the talent they had on it in 98 well i really don't know of a coach who wouldn't have wanted to coach that team. that team was still pretty well stacked turner, magloire, padgett, shepard, mohammed, mills , edwards, evans, yep a team to walk away from dude get real they were pre-season favorites to get to the final 4. like i said don't know where you are getting your info from, but you have been misinformed.
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Given that I'm personal friends with John Calipari, who ended up with the Nets job at that time, I believe I'll go with my sources over your "experts" in southeastern Kentucky. Cameron Mills? Yeah, that's an elite talent.
 
#43
#43
(smokedog#3 @ Jan 23 said:
mills could shoot the 3 better than anybody. sounds to me like you are blowing smoke to me. :devilsmoke:
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Believe what you will. The fact are what they are. Where's Mills shooting those threes now? The local gym /bingo hall?
 
#44
#44
hey he is a slow white dude, but he could shoot. last i checked there were alot of great college players that didn't make it in the pros. does mateen cleeves ring a bell. national player of the year, led michigan st to championship. so was mills larry bird no, but was he a good college player yes on the offensive side of the ball. what was your point again.
 
#45
#45
(smokedog#3 @ Jan 23 said:
hey he is a slow white dude, but he could shoot. last i checked there were alot of great college players that didn't make it in the pros. does mateen cleeves ring a bell. national player of the year, led michigan st to championship. so was mills larry bird no, but was he a good college player yes on the offensive side of the ball. what was your point again.
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Mateen Cleaves has been drawing an NBA check consistently since he left Michigan State. He's the League's best towel waver since ML Carr. For a Vol fan, you're awfully defensive of the Cats. I have no reason to blow smoke anonymously on a message board. I assume that's a reference to my friendship with Calipari. Through business connections in Las Vegas, I've gotten to know several college coaches during the summer when the big time AAU events hit town. Does that make my opinion gospel? Of course not. However, I tend to lend more credence to something those guys tell me than the opinion of the average fan.
 
#46
#46
i used to live in kentucky, most of my family resides in pikeville. that is how i know so much about kentucky basketball. my wife's cousin went to school at lexington dunbar with rick pitino's daughter that is where i get my info from. it literally killed her when they went north. i have no reason to blow smoke either, that is why i can't figure out why our stories are so far apart. i also have a friend in medical school at UK and a freind that was a kentucky cheerleader, so when they beat tennessee i hear about it from all angles. i'm not saying your wrong, but you seem to be misinformed. i swear to god and everybody that what i'm saying is true that is the reason i can't figure your story out. i mean i knew pitino was leaving before the press from my wife's cousin, and she was the one that told me this info. so i guess that is why i'm being defensive, i just don't know how these stories are so far apart.
 
#47
#47
(smokedog#3 @ Jan 23 said:
i used to live in kentucky, most of my family resides in pikeville. that is how i know so much about kentucky basketball. my wife's cousin went to school at lexington dunbar with rick pitino's daughter that is where i get my info from. it literally killed her when they went north. i have no reason to blow smoke either, that is why i can't figure out why our stories are so far apart. i also have a friend in medical school at UK and a freind that was a kentucky cheerleader, so when they beat tennessee i hear about it from all angles. i'm not saying your wrong, but you seem to be misinformed. i swear to god and everybody that what i'm saying is true that is the reason i can't figure your story out. i mean i knew pitino was leaving before the press from my wife's cousin, and she was the one that told me this info. so i guess that is why i'm being defensive, i just don't know how these stories are so far apart.
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I'm not sure the stories are that far apart. A quick search of the archives of the New York papers will confirm all the information about Pitino's flirtation with the Nets. I don't think either of us dispute the facts. The difference comes from our interpretation of how those facts came to be. I think if Pitino had been faced with the '98 roster a year earlier, he would have taken the Nets job. You don't think the roster at UK played into his decision. That's where the stories diverge.
 
#48
#48
(lawgator1 @ Jan 19 said:
Nice way to start a thread, Blue. As a Gator fan, I'm really looking forward to games versus both UT and Kentucky. Since the FSU and Miami games right around end of November and xmas, the Gators have not faced much. I think the team will be pumped to play at Tennessee. Even more so when it is Kentucky, considering how much the 'cats have owned us over the years.
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Lawgator I dread our boys having to come into your place after the gator fans saw how strong the "sixth" man came out in Ktown. I'm sure we'll get a hearty welcome.....kept thinkin' that the whole game.
 
#50
#50
(smokedog#3 @ Jan 23 said:
true i guess it is just a difference of opinion on that point.
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I would agree. The only factual point you've made I would disagree with is the statement that the '98 team was expected to go to the Final Four. I remember Arizona being the odds on favorite, a defending National Champion with everyone returning. Carolina and Duke were loaded also. UK wasn't a Number 1 seed in their regional, Duke was. I went looking for the AP preseason poll for '97-'98, but couldn't find it.
 
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