From Smart's PC ...

[CobbVol]

"When undisciplined players make undisciplined decisions, that’s what a happens.”

Player discipline is with you. Maybe he needs to look in the mirror before throwing his players under the bus. They reflect the HC and his own antics on the sideline could not be described as disciplined.

 

[Volsfaninva917]

"When undisciplined players make undisciplined decisions, that’s what a happens.”

Player discipline is with you. Maybe he needs to look in the mirror before throwing his players under the bus. They reflect the HC and his own antics on the sideline could not be described as disciplined.

He gets that from Saban, reference Derek Dooley

 

[Knox-a-rue]

I can't stand coaches who blame players in public/media. Chew them out in practice. Unite in public. McElwain bothered me last week saying his players learned a lesson, esp when he started the trash talk a year ago with his you-just-dont-lose-to-Tennessee comment. I dont like it when I see it on the sideline in the game. But in the media... I consider that unacceptable. If I was AD I would schedule a 2 minute meeting with him. And I would have a 2 strike rule.

 

[volbeast33]

I can't stand coaches who blame players in public/media. Chew them out in practice. Unite in public. McElwain bothered me last week saying his players learned a lesson, esp when he started the trash talk a year ago with his you-just-dont-lose-to-Tennessee comment. I dont like it when I see it on the sideline in the game. But in the media... I consider that unacceptable. If I was AD I would schedule a 2 minute meeting with him. And I would have a 2 strike rule.

Oh good grief..... players need to buck up if that bothers them.

 

[VolFootballlover]

I can't stand coaches who blame players in public/media. Chew them out in practice. Unite in public. McElwain bothered me last week saying his players learned a lesson, esp when he started the trash talk a year ago with his you-just-dont-lose-to-Tennessee comment. I dont like it when I see it on the sideline in the game. But in the media... I consider that unacceptable. If I was AD I would schedule a 2 minute meeting with him. And I would have a 2 strike rule.

this whole generation is like this "you hurt my feelings " it's exactly what's wrong in the world

 

[CMcEver]

this whole generation is like this "you hurt my feelings " it's exactly what's wrong in the world

Eh, I'm the same way. It's a leader's job to teach these things to the kids, that's the accountability that comes along with a leadership role. If they fail, he fails as far as his job is concerned, but public blaming is selfish and usually yields poor results and often resentment. When those doors are closed though, lay into them, they will listen, that's leadership, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[joevol33]

Eh, I'm the same way. It's a leader's job to teach these things to the kids, that's the accountability that comes along with a leadership role. If they fail, he fails as far as his job is concerned, but public blaming is selfish and usually yields poor results and often resentment. When those doors are closed though, lay into them, they will listen, that's leadership, as far as I'm concerned.

This!

 

[Orange_Crush]

It has nothing to do with participation trophies or a weakened youth generation. It has to do with good leadership. You protect in public and correct in private. You lead by example.

 

[Knox-a-rue]

Oh good grief..... players need to buck up if that bothers them.

Its not about the players feelings. Its about leadership. Passing the buck is not leadership. These issues rest on the head coach.

If my kids are bothering me while I'm trying to get my bills paid, then I need to have a word with them. But if I don't get my bills paid, its not right for me to blame my kids and say it was their fault, that they are making bad decisions around the house. I'm in charge. I'm responsible for getting things done. Its not about feelings at all. Maybe the players do need to buck up, but that's mostly if the coach is riding them in practice. But in public, he's the guy responsible. Someone who cannot accept responsibility for how the team plays is not someone who would be my head coach.

 

[MikeVol44]

I can't stand coaches who blame players in public/media. Chew them out in practice. Unite in public. McElwain bothered me last week saying his players learned a lesson, esp when he started the trash talk a year ago with his you-just-dont-lose-to-Tennessee comment. I dont like it when I see it on the sideline in the game. But in the media... I consider that unacceptable. If I was AD I would schedule a 2 minute meeting with him. And I would have a 2 strike rule.

Okay....fair enough.....but what about this--

Why is this discussion always one-sided for the players? Please provide an answer to that question....

They want to talk their trash, beat their chests, and call attention to themselves for doing something good like they are the only ones on the field at that moment in a game------------

But then they DON'T WANT to listen to their coach who trained them to do all those things when he has to correct them for doing something completely stupid during the game that hurts the TEAM'S chances of winning a game....

No--they can jump around in public and say --"look at how good I am"......but they can't stand there LIKE A MAN with their mouths shut in humility and take their azz chewin' for doing something stupid........

That's what's wrong about the entire situation....and the fact that most adults aren't mature enough to figure that out!!!!!!!!! :salute:

 

[ptcarter]

Okay....fair enough.....but what about this--

These same players want to run their mouths before, during and after the game with all their trash talk publicly. And they also want to run around on the field during the game chest-beating, jumping up and signaling first down, running away from their teammates on the field, and drawing attention to themselves as if they did something all on their own without anyone else's COACHING or the contributions of the other 10 players on the field. They be like----"hey look at how good I am" instead of just going back to the huddle with their teammates....

Then they get all mad and cop an attitude and get angry with their coach if he chews their azzes out for screwing up and hurting the team's chances of winning--if he dares to do so publicly......

and then you read this crap from adults who should know better blaming that EVIL COACH who DARED to chew my azz out in front of all these people just because I made a little mistake......

What kind of crap is that?

I'll tell you what kind it is--it's JUVENILE.....and only the immature fail to see it for what it is...

If individual players are gonna get up and dance around and beat their chests and act like they are the only ones on the field who accomplished something on any given play--then they better MAN UP and take the discipline and correction that comes from SCREWING it up on the field when their coach comes over to chew dat azz....:salute:

A coaches job is dependant on Wins. Period. When a game can be lost by a showboating primadona, a coach needs to get a handle on that.

I think it's safe to say that if the Georgia player hadn't of bolted out on the field without his helmet, Georgia would have won that game.

I don't think, that situation applies to the post above. I think that was just raw emotion that overtook that young fellow (and we need a go fund me to send him flowers).

If I was coach Jones, next team meeting, I'd show film of that dumazz running around without his helmet on, and make an example out of him. That cost Smart a W.

Lack of W's will add up and could eventually cost a job.

 

[MikeVol44]

It has nothing to do with participation trophies or a weakened youth generation. It has to do with good leadership. You protect in public and correct in private. You lead by example.

MINDLESS DRIVEL at its WORST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It has everything to do with gross IMMATURITY among players who want to stomp around, beat their chests, talk their trash, and draw attention to themselves instead of realizing that they are just ONE player among 11 total players contributing to the TEAM as a whole...

And NO TEAM will function effectively if they fail to recognize the authority of the Leader....who is the Head Coach for football. He's the coaching leader....and there must be a MAN among the players who is the respected leader on the field...

This generation is WEAK because they are SELF-INDULGENT and SELF-CENTERED...and CRY FOUL every time they get called out publicly for doing something wrong....to wit--they, LIKE CHILDREN, do not want to be disciplined for their mistakes--publicly or privately. And they REFLECT the attitudes of their parents. It makes them weak and quitters--just like Saban said this past week about Barnett.

The same players who draw the most attention to themselves are the same ones who cry FOUL the loudest when their coach chews their azzes out publicly!

The Coach's position of authority and Leadership actually REQUIRES him to hold them accountable for their screw ups on the field of practice and during the games, too....In fact--if he fails to do either then he is NOT a GOOD LEADER.

You guys been reading too many leadership books written by feministic liberals who demand empowerment instead of an ordered and structured chain of command.

That's why you guys criticize Saban so much....and you fail to realize that Saban's demands and demeanor are more like Bear Bryant's, General Neyland's, and Vince Lombardi's......:salute:

 

[MikeVol44]

A coaches job is dependant on Wins. Period. When a game can be lost by a showboating primadona, a coach needs to get a handle on that.


A coach who does not maintain authority and discipline on his team will not win games.....

You don't have to use UGA's player as an example of a dumbazz costing his team a potential victory...you could use Jalen Hurd's example from the UGA game.....

I don't know what was going thru Jalen's head right before he got the crap knocked out of himself and fumbled away 7 points for the VOLS....but I do know that he lost focus and deserved a public azz-chewing!

Hurd's lack of discipline and focus could have resulted in the TEAM losing the game....his individual feelings are NOT MORE IMPORTANT than the TEAM OBJECTIVE of winning the game.....and you guys just continually fail to understand that simple truth.

With great talent and leadership comes GREATER responsibility and ACCOUNTABILITY....

The Head Coach holds his players accountable to THE PERFORMANCE STANDARD.....and the Administration holds the Head Coach accountable for Ws.......

And yes...this entire conversation began because someone was CRITICIZING coach Smart for publicly holding his player(s) accountable for unacceptable and substandard performance.

We call that "throwing someone under the bus" now---and it used to be called plain 'ol accountability.


:salute:

 

[joevol33]

So basically, mark richt has lost control of Kirby smart?

 

[MockingVol]

So basically, mark richt has lost control of Kirby smart?

Na, I think Mark Richt lost control of MikeVol44