Frustrated Fulmer

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By Bruce Feldman

Think Phil Fulmer wasn't a bit disappointed at how this season's recruiting run turned out? Big Phil really vented about prospects getting caught up in the recruiting game and didn't mince words this weekend: "There's guys that just lie to you -- flat lie to you," he told the AP. "That goes back to upbringing."

Among the almost-Vols that, I gather, had Big Phil a bit annoyed: TE Michael Goggans, who had verbally committed to Tennessee in August, instead chose to stay near his Alexander City, Ala., home and signed with Auburn; LBs Kelvin Sheppard and Perry Riley, from Stone Mountain, Ga., who both signed with LSU; DT Aleric Mullins (signed with North Carolina); and safety Greg Davis (signed with West Virginia.)

"It's the generation now out there," Fulmer told the AP. "It's not everywhere, but it's out there. There are a few out there that make it a show. … You might come or you might not, but just be honest. I don't begrudge anyone for not choosing our school. We're not going to get every recruit, but just be honest."

My three cents: I buy that it goes back to upbringing to some degree, but I think the problem is becoming a little more complex than that. One coaching buddy of mine says it's pretty obvious watching kids change over the course of the year as they get recruited. "Good kids from good families start acting like idiots," the coach said. "You don't know how much I want to say, 'If you lay out four hats in front of you, you can take ours and stick it....' But it happens a lot now, and even mom and dad who seem pretty grounded lose it."

It'd be easy to put this on Fulmer for sounding like he's whining, but I believe he's on to something since this is hardly a Tennessee problem alone. After all, UT didn't miss out because he isn't still a strong recruiter or because his school isn't great. (Visit Knoxville and you're likely to be blown away. Some of the problem I hear stemmed from not just a losing season but the litany of offseason problems the Vols had last winter.) Still, I think this is more a case of bad timing. This kind of thing (kids misleading, whether intentional or not) can and will happen to every school to some degree. Fulmer just happened to catch the first real bad gust of it, I think.

Yes, this seems generational, but I think it all goes back to kids getting caught up in the hype game. They have gotten sucked into an inflated sense of self-worth. (Lord knows ESPN itself has a pretty strong suction capacity, too.) Many of the kids (targets) have dozens of reporters calling them a week, trying to chart their every move. They get conditioned to believe every impulse they have is news, because in a weird, warped way it is. Hate to say it, but I'm convinced this is only going to get worse.
 
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He wasn't whining last year when guys like Hardesy and others switched to UT in the closing hours. Get over it there is work to do! :banghead:
 
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I agree that this problem is only going to get worse as the coverage of recruiting gets better. Take a guy like Tim Hawthorne. He approached his decision as if teams would be lucky to get his commitment. That has to come in some part from an inflated ego stemming from the recruiting process.
I'm as guilty as anyone when it comes to hanging on every story of these recruits and who they might chose. I actually almost paid for a subscription to Rivals last year. What stopped me was seeing so many prima donnas born from the recruiting process. It irritates me so much to see these kids put hats in front of them and then chose, especially in some of the extremely disrespectful ways that so of them do it.
I think Fulmer had a unusual amount of disappointments this year in recruiting and he expressed things in public that he would normally only say behind closed doors. I'm sure he regrets airing it out in public. I for one feel his pain and I'm ready to put this whole year behind and wait as patiently as possible for nex tyear.
 
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(thunder5 @ Feb 9 said:
I agree that this problem is only going to get worse as the coverage of recruiting gets better. Take a guy like Tim Hawthorne. He approached his decision as if teams would be lucky to get his commitment. That has to come in some part from an inflated ego stemming from the recruiting process.
I'm as guilty as anyone when it comes to hanging on every story of these recruits and who they might chose. I actually almost paid for a subscription to Rivals last year. What stopped me was seeing so many prima donnas born from the recruiting process. It irritates me so much to see these kids put hats in front of them and then chose, especially in some of the extremely disrespectful ways that so of them do it.
I think Fulmer had a unusual amount of disappointments this year in recruiting and he expressed things in public that he would normally only say behind closed doors. I'm sure he regrets airing it out in public. I for one feel his pain and I'm ready to put this whole year behind and wait as patiently as possible for nex tyear.
 
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I guess we can cry all we desire, but the bottom line is if we had a winning season last year, recruiting would have taken care of itself. :banghead:
 
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Guys I would be disapointed if CPF was not frustrated. I hope this fire he is feeling now continues into the season. I think it will.
 
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How many recruits did he promise that would be playing a certain postion or be starting right away and when they get to campus the coaches suddenly change their mind. I am sure the coaches do not get the deserved criticism when we see these kids transfer for that reason.

It goes both ways and i think it is irrational to find fault with an 18 year kid who has never made any life changing decision as a liar. Sour grapes if you ask me. Fulmer should have kept his mouth shut and accept the class that he got. It is a direct insult to those who actaully signed and filled those slots for his Fulmer's recruiting class.
 
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Recruiting is like gambling. Sometimes the dice roll your way, and sometimes they roll someone else's way. Most of the time they roll the other way, or we'd have about 4000 scholarships to offer. I've never known anyone to complain about getting good rolls. So, don't belittle yourself or the signees and remaining roster you do have by whining over the fish that took someone elses worm. Just do your job today. Tomorrow, try to do it better.
 
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i posted in another thread about this same subject, that it comes off as cry baby sore loser crap. I still think so.

But if there was one positive i could get out of this, is that for the first time in a long time, no one walked away from that wondering how he felt about the whole thing.

He's pissed off. Good. He should be. This team needs to be mad. They should be mad. I hope it rubs off on the team, and their attitude.

THe more this team plays with a chip on its shoulder, the better. and i think CPF is at the point where he's just plain mad, and can't wait to get back to work in the spring, and start proving people wrong.

I think he probably regrets the specific comment about recruits lying, that makes him look bad on the surface, but underneath, i think there is a frustrated coach, who's tired of all the talk, criticism, speculation etc....

Get Pissed. I'm all for it. and take it out on the opponents on the 2006 schedule.

Go Vols.
 
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instead of being frustrated with recruiting he should be frustrated about how poorly his team looked. like i said kids will only believe what they see and tennessee was awful last year. rocky doc made a good point, how come once a kid commits to a different school, how come fulmer doesn't call of the dogs. thats interesting, fulmer talking, but as usual he's not saying anything.
 
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i think the comments were a culminatin of frusrtration over the entire 2005 season.

I think if you try hard enough, you can always put a negative spin on anything, and i'm not saying he shouldn't have said some of the things he did, like i said above, it did sound like cry baby loser crap. but if you dig a bit deeper, this guy is just flat out mad.

it'll be interesting to see how that filters down stream in to Spring, Summer and Fall.....hopefully it will be a source of motiviation for him and the team next season.
 
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This is amazing to me. We had the worst recruiting class of his tenure and still finished in the top 25 and still all the moaning. On top of that we just won at RUPP! Some can never be happy.
 
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basketball and baseball teams i'm extremely happy with they are fun to watch. football on the other hand is boring and been that way fo 3+ years.
 
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(smokedog#3 @ Feb 8 said:
basketball and baseball teams i'm extremely happy with they are fun to watch. football on the other hand is boring and been that way fo 3+ years.


If you thought 2004 was boring then you can't be happy.
 
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(VolBeef88 @ Feb 8 said:
If you thought 2004 was boring then you can't be happy.
2004 was about as exciting as it gets, how soon we forget
 
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Sometimes when you get spoiled by success it seems we dont enjoy things when they dont go your way. Had this been a new UT football head coach getting this same recruiting class here he would have nothing but praise for this recruiting class and show infinite optimism.
Players are not wanting to come to UT if he sends off this negative vibe. I sure would not come here if a coach bithes to the press.
 
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2004 was still boring if you call that offense exciting then i'm not sure what you were watching. the ND game was horrible, the first auburn game was terrible and even though we beat georgia it was still a boring game. they had spurts where they looked like they knew what they were doing and other times you might as well take a nap. our run game was pretty good untill we played a good team and then we couldn't even do that.
 
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(volmanjr @ Feb 8 said:
2004 was about as exciting as it gets, how soon we forget
yeah, talk about a year where you didn't know what was going to happen?

oh well....here's to some more suprises in 06.
 
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(VolBeef88 @ Feb 8 said:
This is amazing to me. We had the worst recruiting class of his tenure and still finished in the top 25 and still all the moaning. On top of that we just won at RUPP! Some can never be happy.



I'm happy about the win at Rupp. :biggrin2:
 
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Me TOO!!!! :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :D :D :D :D :biggrin2: :biggrin2: :yahoo:
 
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I for one don't look at 18 year olds as kids.Some have chosen to make life changing decisions and some of them are locked up now.I do agree the coach needs to keep mum on the class or speak only positive. I like recruits who are looking forward to playing on the hill. I do wonder how much of a background check actually goes into recruiting though.I suppose most of it is not obtainable since most are under 18.
 
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You'd be surpirsed what they (the recruiting staff) can find out. They don't just use the official channels of public information. They talk to teachers, coaches, other kids who know the recruit, preachers, basically whoever will talk to them.
 

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