Fukushima is lost. World's second zone of alienation

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Fukushima is lost, and it will be entombed in concrete.

I believe it was confirmed one of the reactors had a full meltdown.

We are less than three weeks away from the 25th anniversary of the Chernobyl disaster, and the world will have its second zone of alienation in that time.

The great disappointment has been the performance of the Japanese, IMHO. These people, who have suffered the most outrageous wartime nuclear tragedies, have been almost as mendacious and secretive as their Russian counterparts 25 years ago.

This is breaking on Google News about 30 minutes ago:

Japan says Fukushima plant to be scrapped
 
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While it has been obvious for quite some time that the plant will have to be scrapped, this may be the first time that Japan has openly said it. However, I am not yet convinced that all the reactors will be entombed in concrete. There is still the potential that will be avoided, at least in some cases.

Also, I dint think the "zone of alienation" here is comparable. The situation is absolutely nasty at the reactors, but the soil contamination is light years ahead of Chernobyl (of course, if you believe the Japanese). With that said, the Union of Concerned Scientists have an interesting piece up on the allthingsnuclear blog arguing that the current levels of soil contamination at 40 km out is high enough (as reported by the Japanese) to indicate that not expanding the 20 km evacuation zone was clearly a mistake.
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The core has melted through the floor of the containment building and is now releasing large amounts of radiation. Hey Ann, go soak it up because it's good for us!
 
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I should say, the great disappointment has been the performance of the TEPCO executives, and the government in trying to downplay the severity of the crisis, which has seen Tokyo drinking water unfit for consumption.

The actions of the engineers and workers at Fukushima should serve as an inspiration for a long time to come.
 
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myrobbins7 said:
The core has melted through the floor of the containment building and is now releasing large amounts of radiation. Hey Ann, go soak it up because it's good for us!
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I don't think there have been reports suggesting the core has melted through the containment building.
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TennTradition said:
I don't think there have been reports suggesting the core has melted through the containment building.
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I believe the Guardian reported it yesterday, but as always, we must wait and see for sure.

As I've said, the Japanese response has been extremely unfortunate.
 
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utgibbs said:
I believe the Guardian reported it yesterday, but as always, we must wait and see for sure.

As I've said, the Japanese response has been extremely unfortunate.
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I don't think so. Partial meltdown? Definitely Full meltdown? Likely. Melted through the reactor vessel? Likely. Melted through the primary containment? Not likely, though it could be leaking. Melted through the containment building? No.
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some "expert" said that under the reactors a thick layor of sand and even if the core melted through the building, it would melt into the sand and entomb itself in glass

I was thinking to myself, "Who builds a building on sand"?
 
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TennTradition said:
While it has been obvious for quite some time that the plant will have to be scrapped, this may be the first time that Japan has openly said it. However, I am not yet convinced that all the reactors will be entombed in concrete. There is still the potential that will be avoided, at least in some cases.

Also, I dint think the "zone of alienation" here is comparable. The situation is absolutely nasty at the reactors, but the soil contamination is light years ahead of Chernobyl (of course, if you believe the Japanese). With that said, the Union of Concerned Scientists have an interesting piece up on the allthingsnuclear blog arguing that the current levels of soil contamination at 40 km out is high enough (as reported by the Japanese) to indicate that not expanding the 20 km evacuation zone was clearly a mistake.
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I got an interesting power point presentation from Areva investigators as they inpescted the plant. All I've had an opportunity to do is just glance at it, but it seems like it may shed some light on a few things and we can compare what the Areva investigators found vs what the Japanese are publically saying.
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I got an interesting power point presentation from Areva investigators as they inpescted the plant. All I've had an opportunity to do is just glance at it, but it seems like it may shed some light on a few things and we can compare what the Areva investigators found vs what the Japanese are publically saying.
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That would be interesting. I know someone who works for Areva and spent time working as a liaison to the Japanese nuclear agency back in the early 2000s. However, I haven't been able to contact the person in several weeks.
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I got an interesting power point presentation from Areva investigators as they inpescted the plant. All I've had an opportunity to do is just glance at it, but it seems like it may shed some light on a few things and we can compare what the Areva investigators found vs what the Japanese are publically saying.
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That would be very interesting, although it sounds like it will disappoint me even further.
 
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Texas, Florida, California... The warm weather is nice but it also seems to be a bit of a magnet for nutjobs. :)

JK, both my dad's and girlfriend's families are originally from LA, and I would have probably moved there if the cost of living weren't what it is.

He's a south bay native btw.
 
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burn. and accurate. biggest collection of dirty hippies i've ever seen in portland.
 
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