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whats up fellas? hope the off season is treating you all well, i see everyone getting pumped for signing day it looks like we have a great future ahead. anyways during the slow period after signing day until we get fulltime into practice i had an idea i wanted to run by my fellow members of the great volnation.. im a highschool coach and i like many other coaches enjoy breaking down and critiquing game film and i was wondering if you all would like to take part in possibly taking game highlights and watching and breaking down what you see. not trying to open old wounds or live in the past just strictly from a X and Os stand point its nice to see perspective from other football fans.

Florida vs Tennessee 2012 Highlights - YouTube

thats the link to a highlight reel of the gator game from this past season, id like you all to watch it critique it and give your ideas on what were some things that could have changed the games outcome. anyone is welcome to put up videos for all to check out and talk about. just a idea i had for a little offfseason chat esp after the superbowl theres not much football at all. GO VOLS!
 
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I think it's a great idea if you can get people to participate. Bam15 likes these kinds of threads so he may be interested.
 
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Thanks freak, I figured it would be tough to get people to get involved but it should be interesting
 
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i don't know how much detail you want to get into.

i will say offensively, that generally speaking, tennessee did not have many short targets in pass routes available. also, bray never looks short.

it causes more problems to a defense to have short , intermediate and deep receivers to cover on the same play. i didn't see much of that.

to that end, driskel threw 20 passes and 7 receivers caught the ball. bray threw 44 passes and only 5 players caught the ball.

rivera killed florida on one drive in the 2nd quarter and they didn't go to it for much of the rest of the game
 
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i will also add that i can bet that bray used a 3 step drop less than 5 times in that game.

sometimes playcallers forget that variety is a good thing, despite if there aren't apparent problems.

so, pass protection is good. no need for screens. no need for anything with a 3 step drop. qb has plenty of time to throw. what's the problem?

even though pass protection was good, it would have been a good idea to have some quick throws, some screens, some hitches, etc.

it helps keep a defense off balance.

absolutely amazing to me that despite how often the wr's go deep, that tennessee ran very few 10 yard hooks, etc, throughout the season
 
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I noticed that a swell , after that early int in the first which was a crossing route to the TE the seemed to try and stretch the field as much as possible. Hunter seemed to only run deep routes while Peterson would run the deep out...I think if they used more crossing routes they would have been able to use there size against the smaller fl DBs.

It seemed Florida D was almost in a cover 2 man ..2 safeties over the top to stop the deep ball and mostly man coverage out of the corners.
 
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Teague had terrible angles, he was beaten all day. Bray was careless with the ball a couple of times, leading to UF scores. To UF's credit, they got Burton matched up with AJ(I think), good play call.

Poor tackling and coverage defensively, and I think Chaney's play calling in the second half, particularly, completely abandoning the running game was bad.

Hard to get a complete picture with just the highlights though. A look back at the drive summaries gives a little perspective, as bad as the Defense was, the Offense had 13 total drives...8 of those resulted in punts (4 of which were 3 and outs), 2 of them resulted in INT's and the other 3 TD's. 10 drives and the O got zero points. Florida's time of possession in the 4th quarter was 11:41.

Man, what a long season.
 
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sofflavol said:
I noticed that a swell , after that early int in the first which was a crossing route to the TE the seemed to try and stretch the field as much as possible. Hunter seemed to only run deep routes while Peterson would run the deep out...I think if they used more crossing routes they would have been able to use there size against the smaller fl DBs.

It seemed Florida D was almost in a cover 2 man ..2 safeties over the top to stop the deep ball and mostly man coverage out of the corners.
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to that point and to the point that vol66 made later....

two of tennessee's td drives were 12 and 16 plays respectively.

if tennessee was willing to be patient, there were plays to be made. often times, they were impatient. that's on the play caller and that's on the qb.

it's also a credit to florida's staff to recognize what tennessee likes to do and force them to do something else.
 
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Yea the highlight doesn't show it in full ....if you all can find full games to put up that's cool too. Otherwise we can only go by the highlight reels
 
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sofflavol said:
Yea the highlight doesn't show it in full ....if you all can find full games to put up that's cool too. Otherwise we can only go by the highlight reels
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here you go.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12CL4FK1dYo[/youtube]
 
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1st Qtr. Breakdown:

UT's first possession...Neal for 20 yards on a draw play...Neal for no gain...Quick slant to Patterson for 5 yrds...On 3rd and 5 Bray tries to hit a covered Neal and it looks like Bray either threw it too early or to the wrong checkdown...PUNT.

On UF's first possesion from about the 10, they try a reverse and the exchange is fumbled, Teague somehow falls on the ball, but does not come up with it! Defense holds and forces UF to punt from it's own endzone, Vols takeover at their own 38.

On the Vols 2nd possession, Neal up the middle for no gain and on 2nd and 10 Bray throws into Dbl. Coverage, the ball is nearly picked...but UF gets a penalty giving UT a 1st down. Neal carries the ball twice in a row and the Vols get a first down. Bray is inc. on first down and Floyd blows up Tiny to stop Neal for a loss on 2nd down. On 3rd and 12, it's obvious the Safety/Nickel is going to blitz off the left edge...Tyler doesn't see it pre-snap and tries to get rid of the ball too soon resulting in a pick.

Burton ends up scoring out of the Wild Cat formation a few plays later...Defensively, no one was home. Some kind of breakdown schematically or UF out formationed us, either way UF goes up by 7.

Next Vol possession Bray completes to Rogers and Patterson before nearly throwing a pick which bounces off of Roberson I think and nearly into Rogers hands. Bray ends up with a nice 41 yard quick kick putting the Gators inside their own 5.

The D forces a UF punt.

Bray at his own 40, goes play action to Hunter for about 40, Hunter makes a great play. Roberson gets an Interference call and Bray throws another slant to CP for the 3 yard score.

After 1 QTR the score is 7-7. Bray has thrown 1 int and nearly thrown 2 others. The D had one major break down resulting in a score, not the kind of breakdown that will happen later, lol.
 
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Just watching our offense, we threw downfield a lot. There was some 3 step, quick stuff, but the majority of the passing offense was down the field. Like another poster said earlier, a hook or a comeback route would have worked really well but we rarely used them. More screens and quick stuff probably would have been effective. Those plays are much more efficient than downfield passing as well.

Florida's corners played very physical and made it hard on Bray, Hunter and CP. They did a good job, and even though they were penalized a few times, they made our offense work for every play. I kind of wonder if Hunter and Patterson got worn out late in the game. They played almost every snap of the game and faced very physical coverage. I think that is one of the reasons we started using Dallas, Carter, and Pig more as the season went on to give Hunter and CP a break.

Bray really struggled against the blitz. When pressured, he'd throw off his back foot and often make poor decisions. I saw Neal miss a couple of blocks in pass protection that led to negative plays.

I noticed Florida called one blitz multiple times, and it worked really well. They played man coverage with no safety deep and blitzed 2 linebackers off of one side. On the opposite side, the DE dropped into the short middle area of the field to take away the "hot" throw. That left them with more blitzers than we had blockers on one side and the DE took away the blitz beater route.

I've mentioned this before on here, but every single time we lined up in the shotgun and the RB was even with or in front of the QB, we threw the ball. It would have probably be helpful to run an outside zone or a draw out of that set just to give the defense something else to account for. With the RB not behind the QB, defenses could just sell out on the passing game.
 
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2nd Qtr. Breakdown

This was some sloppy football. Penalties, CP, Richardson...Dooley wastes a TO on what was nearly a pick by Elam(No one told Dooley the ball was tipped so he "challenged" the call.) The best play of the drive is on 3 and 3...Hunter runs a great route for a first down catch, the Vols score the next play off of play action to Rivera. Another great play during the drive was a lil screen pass to Neal. Despite the penalties and the ranting of Dooley the Vols lead 14-7.

UF's ball and Randolph drops an INT. AJ doesn't get picked up at all and forces the quick throw. If Randolph comes down with the ball UT has great field position. A UF penalty puts them into 3rd and 24 and a punt on 4th and 10.

Vols do nothing...

UF gets the ball with 3 min. left and Driskell makes a good 25 yard run, defensively we don't set the edge. Patton makes a nice run, same thing, the end doesn't contain on the end around...Driskell escapes the pressure and gets a pass off to Patton for another 1st down. The Gators have two chances from the one but Lathers and Bohannon(I think) make a huge stop, the pulling UF guard doesn't get Lathers and the Gators settle for a FG.

Vols 14, UF 10
 
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3rd Quarter

Marsalis Teague gets a 15 yard unsportsman like penalty to help UF into our territory. Elam lines up at FB and the gators fake an end around, Elam runs a wheel route...AJ is outmatched and there's another reciever in the flat, Teague is late to the party. Good play design by UF and well executed. The Gators get 3 tries from the 10 but the Vol D holds them to a FG. Vols 14, UF 13.

Vols start at their own 20, big play, Bray to Rogers over the middle...Beast package for a first down at the UF 24 and Bray throws a great back shoulder throw to Patterson for first and goal at the 9. I'll wonder if Bray recognized that safety move up or if we just got lucky on that one. UF's Easley gets called for roughing the passer on what would have been third and goal and UT gets a first down at the 3 yrd. line. Neal ahead for 2 yards, 2nd and 1 and we try a QB sneak. 3rd down and 1... Beast Package for six. AJ doesn't get touched but Brodus misses the extra point...of course. W/7:25 left in the 3rd vols up 20-13.

The UT D holds UF and with 5 min. left in the 3rd, UF is forced to punt except Muschamp decides to fake. Probst blows it up in the back field. Great Play! Vols force turnover on downs! We get the ball at their 47 up 7.

Bray does not recognize the blitz again and gets called for intentional grounding 2nd and 20...We get back to the original line of scrimmage...punt. Rather than getting a FG or a TD, we did not run the ball at all...we give the ball back to the gators w/ 3:27 left in the 3rd. The game shifts on the next play.

Perfectly blocked and Burton's stiff arm of Teague, 80 yrd TD.

Bray throws a pick, when Rivera misses his block.

Gilleslee(sp?) gets the ball down to the 25 of UT with a minute in the third on a long run. Driskell to Reed and UF is up by 7. In 2:45 14 unanswered points. Game.
 
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Freak said:
I think it's a great idea if you can get people to participate. Bam15 likes these kinds of threads so he may be interested.
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Admitingly, I've sorta been busy which is why I haven't really created anything else. I also wonder how much interest there is in non-Tennessee related football subjects on this board, so I haven't had much incentive to write anything.

sofflavol said:
whats up fellas? hope the off season is treating you all well, i see everyone getting pumped for signing day it looks like we have a great future ahead. anyways during the slow period after signing day until we get fulltime into practice i had an idea i wanted to run by my fellow members of the great volnation.. im a highschool coach and i like many other coaches enjoy breaking down and critiquing game film and i was wondering if you all would like to take part in possibly taking game highlights and watching and breaking down what you see. not trying to open old wounds or live in the past just strictly from a X and Os stand point its nice to see perspective from other football fans.

Florida vs Tennessee 2012 Highlights - YouTube

thats the link to a highlight reel of the gator game from this past season, id like you all to watch it critique it and give your ideas on what were some things that could have changed the games outcome. anyone is welcome to put up videos for all to check out and talk about. just a idea i had for a little offfseason chat esp after the superbowl theres not much football at all. GO VOLS!
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Regardless, in respect to the OP--it is hard to see everything from TV recordings. The NFL is even worse unless you purchase the NFL rewind package on their official website. With that, you can see the entire field. 90% of the time on TV broadcasts you can only see formation/personnel and make a reasonable guess at the defense. i.e. if a defender is man up and looking at the receiver and not the quarterback you know that it is likely cover 0 or man-free. If he is looking at the quarterback and aligned inside good chance that it is a zone coverage and the leverage normally gives it away as to which one. You can literally only take guesses to which routes the receivers are running unless you get a full replay because of the limited view.

The game has evolved to such a degree that you can't make blanket assumptions any more and expect to accurate the majority of the time. Quarterbacks used to identify coverages by the safeties and safeties simply have too much speed and rotate within the last seconds. for this to have any semblance of certainty. That and the combination of coverages makes it even harder. It is a lot of work on a quarterback and they are only making guesses as to what they are seeing. When you're Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, you're dictating fronts, coverages, protections, routes, and formation, so you can imagine the diffficulty it would encompass for a modern quarterback with weeks of film study, let alone the average fan not on the field with terrible camera angles.

But, if you're going to do it a generic scouting way--at least the rules I sort of developed and borrowed from others:

Variables)
1. Down.
2. Distance.
3. Hash. (This is in relation to percentage of plays ran from the field or boundary to and there)
4. Field position.
5. Time remaining.
6. Point differential.
Identify defense)
7. Coverage shells.
8. Personnel.
9. Fronts.
10. Combo coverages. i.e. Cover 11/Cover 6/7/8/9 -- quarters/quarters/half is the rage in cfb right now.
11. Chart percentage of these coverages in relation to category 1.
12. Identify other possibilities from standard coverages:
Buzzed safeties. Inverted safeties (Sky). Linebackers walking out. Banjo coverage. Zone-blitzing. Fire-zone blitzes. % of blitzes from field or boundary. etc.
Identify offense)
13. Personnel.
14. Formation.
15. Protection (Gap/Slide/Man BOB) etc.
16. Pass concept usage in relation to category 1.
17. Run concept usage in relation to category 1.

You can divert from that into individual scouting which is a lot of time consumption.

Obviously detailed charting would be a lot of work, and as stated previously, TV recordings suck, so we just make assumptions on this board.

Nonetheless, I like this idea and would love to partake. I watch NFL film and with that, any college I can normally get my hands on. Problem is, any Tennessee film I have is from the Kiffin and early Dooley years, and not surprisingly, we lost most of the games.
 
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And just a note entirely tangent from actual football theory--I was at that game and momentum played a very large role. I believe that Dooley was not only a terrible coach but a terrible judge at his team's mental strength. Not only that, but our crowd was ready to go home after Florida scored two touchdowns.
 
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99gator said:
i don't know how much detail you want to get into.

i will say offensively, that generally speaking, tennessee did not have many short targets in pass routes available. also, bray never looks short.

it causes more problems to a defense to have short , intermediate and deep receivers to cover on the same play. i didn't see much of that.

to that end, driskel threw 20 passes and 7 receivers caught the ball. bray threw 44 passes and only 5 players caught the ball.

rivera killed florida on one drive in the 2nd quarter and they didn't go to it for much of the rest of the game
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We should have thrown the ball to rivera the whole game. He was killing people with his size and speed, but we never used him like we should have.
 
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This is an awesome thread...and I look forward to learning some new concepts and theories within.
 
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its all in the coaches.a coach that can out think the opposing coach has a greater success rate.(example spurrier won with 2 qb that are working now at maybe a carwash or something doug johnson and danny waffle lol) we have that type of coach now
 
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Awesome! Glad some of you find this stuff interesting like myself. We can let this game run its course then I guess we can start with another game from this season, if we have trouble finding full game films we can try to use the best highlights as possible to come up with some discussion points for the games. Enjoy!
 
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rickyb712 said:
its all in the coaches.a coach that can out think the opposing coach has a greater success rate.(example spurrier won with 2 qb that are working now at maybe a carwash or something doug johnson and danny waffle lol) we have that type of coach now
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Also got blitzed out of the NFL by Jim Johnson.
 
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