Gator fans smell like **** thread

[99gator]

I’ll slow it down for you.
2 coaches
1 unknown ability and 1 known ability.
The known ability is good not great.
Go with the unknown as the standard is greatness.
If the unknown fails to meet expectations then start again with the same standard of greatness.

The known had Mississippi State ranked #1 at one time during his tenure. Took them to the Orange Bowl. Let me say that again, he took Mississippi State to the Orange Bowl.

I don’t know how many coaches in America could have accomplished that, but the list is small

 

[Orangeslice13]

The known had Mississippi State ranked #1 at one time during his tenure. Took them to the Orange Bowl. Let me say that again, he took Mississippi State to the Orange Bowl.

I don’t know how many coaches in America could have accomplished that, but the list is small

What championship did he win with that #1 ranking?

 

[Orangeslice13]

From an espn article recently

Dan Mullen had 69 career wins at Mississippi State. Here are 51 of them:

UAB 3

Troy 3

La Tech 3

Jackson State 2

Middle TN St 2

Memphis 2

Alcorn State 2

UT Martin 2

South Alabama 2

Southern Ms 2

UMass 2

Bowling Green

NW State

Houston

Samford

Charleston Southern

Kentucky 8

Ole Miss 5

Arkansas 5

Vandy 2

Missouri

Not exactly a sterling resume for the 5th-highest paid coach, is it? Zero wins against Alabama; two wins against Auburn; three wins against LSU; zero division titles; zero conference titles; zero New Year’s Six bowl wins — $6,103,00 per year.


I could be wrong and maybe he’ll win championships.
I don’t think it’s likely but I’ve been wrong before.

There are a few gators who hang out here
Serious question.
How long before Mullen wins his 2nd SEC championship?

 

[Gatornator]

From an espn article recently

Dan Mullen had 69 career wins at Mississippi State. Here are 51 of them:

UAB 3

Troy 3

La Tech 3

Jackson State 2

Middle TN St 2

Memphis 2

Alcorn State 2

UT Martin 2

South Alabama 2

Southern Ms 2

UMass 2

Bowling Green

NW State

Houston

Samford

Charleston Southern

Kentucky 8

Ole Miss 5

Arkansas 5

Vandy 2

Missouri

Not exactly a sterling resume for the 5th-highest paid coach, is it? Zero wins against Alabama; two wins against Auburn; three wins against LSU; zero division titles; zero conference titles; zero New Year’s Six bowl wins — $6,103,00 per year.


I could be wrong and maybe he’ll win championships.
I don’t think it’s likely but I’ve been wrong before.

There are a few gators who hang out here
Serious question.
How long before Mullen wins his 2nd SEC championship?

Mississippi state has not won a championship in ANYTHING. MSU is just not and never will be an Elite school in college football, or any sport really. There are limits to what any coach, no matter how elite he is, is gonna achieve at MSU. If you are going to judge Mullen by his tenure at MSU, at least compare his performance there to former coaches at MSU.

- Mississippi State is 69-46 and was once ranked No. 1 under Mullen. In the eight seasons before his arrival MSU was 32-65, and was never ranked higher than No. 7 in the program’s history.
- Mississippi State won nine games in a season three times under Mullen. Before his arrival, the Bulldogs won nine games in a season four times in 100-plus years.
- Mississippi State achieved bowl-eligible status for eight straight seasons under Mullen. Before his arrival, the Bulldogs’ previous record was three consecutive seasons.
- Mississippi State clinched its eighth consecutive bowl appearance under Mullen, a feat than can only be appreciated when considering that they’d made eight bowls in the previous 29 years.

You don't achieve elite results at a doormat school. You start there, turn it around, and then land an elite job.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Mississippi state has not won a championship in ANYTHING. MSU is just not and never will be an Elite school in college football, or any sport really. There are limits to what any coach, no matter how elite he is, is gonna achieve at MSU. If you are going to judge Mullen by his tenure at MSU, at least compare his performance there to former coaches at MSU.

- Mississippi State is 69-46 and was once ranked No. 1 under Mullen. In the eight seasons before his arrival MSU was 32-65, and was never ranked higher than No. 7 in the program’s history.
- Mississippi State won nine games in a season three times under Mullen. Before his arrival, the Bulldogs won nine games in a season four times in 100-plus years.
- Mississippi State achieved bowl-eligible status for eight straight seasons under Mullen. Before his arrival, the Bulldogs’ previous record was three consecutive seasons.
- Mississippi State clinched its eighth consecutive bowl appearance under Mullen, a feat than can only be appreciated when considering that they’d made eight bowls in the previous 29 years.

You don't achieve elite results at a doormat school. You start there, turn it around, and then land an elite job.

Do you have an answer for the question?
How long before Mullen wins his 2nd SEC championship?

Because let’s be real. My university has an administration that is a cluster **** at best they are more tolerant by far than Florida.
Example is how long would Butch have lasted at Florida?

Now the question remains. How long before multiple championships?
And with Mullins proven inability to close...How long will Florida put up with it?

 

[Orangeslice13]

The main reason I’m happy he’s your coach and not mine is I believe he’s good enough to keep the job at my school for 10 years without winning a single championship.

 

[Gatornator]

Do you have an answer for the question?
How long before Mullen wins his 2nd SEC championship?

Because let’s be real. My university has an administration that is a cluster **** at best they are more tolerant by far than Florida.
Example is how long would Butch have lasted at Florida?

Now the question remains. How long before multiple championships?
And with Mullins proven inability to close...How long will Florida put up with it?

How did you prove that exactly? Answer that question. Are we still going back to his Mississippi state record? Then stop quoting numbers out of context and actually compare his record to history at MSU.

As far as how long before championships, I guess realistically SECCG win in year 3-4 years. Alabama is just too dominant with Tua on board, and unless he gets hurt or drafted, I just don't see much of a chance to get past them with our inferior talent, then again, probably no one in the SEC will. I am expecting a drop off in performance next year actually. We are lucky to be competing with UGA this year, when everyone thought they are the next Alabama like dynasty.

As far as administration at Florida, I thin Mullen will be given at least 5 years before any threat to his job is noted. Our AD came from Mississippi state, and he is the same guy that recruited Mullen to Mississippi state, and now recruited him to Florida. There is a long history there. If Mullen remains competitive, even with some down seasons, he will probably stay for a while.

 

[Orangeslice13]

How did you prove that exactly? Answer that question. Are we still going back to his Mississippi state record? Then stop quoting numbers out of context and actually compare his record to history at MSU.

As far as how long before championships, I guess realistically SECCG win in year 3-4 years. Alabama is just too dominant with Tua on board, and unless he gets hurt or drafted, I just don't see much of a chance to get past them with our inferior talent, then again, probably no one in the SEC will. I am expecting a drop off in performance next year actually. We are lucky to be competing with UGA this year, when everyone thought they are the next Alabama like dynasty.

As far as administration at Florida, I thin Mullen will be given at least 5 years before any threat to his job is noted. Our AD came from Mississippi state, and he is the same guy that recruited Mullen to Mississippi state, and now recruited him to Florida. There is a long history there. If Mullen remains competitive, even with some down seasons, he will probably stay for a while.

I didn’t prove anything. The Mullen collapses stand on their own.

I too think this is the year for Florida to get Ga. I think Ga is actually down this year and will be better next.
Let’s say you and I are correct and Mullen takes a step back next year. Will he feel the heat from the fans?
You make a good point about the AD but there’s more too it than that. We’re talking about a fan base that put so much pressure on a coach that he faked a health issue to get out.

Again don’t get me wrong.... I’m jealous of the desire to win among the Florida administration. I wish my university cared that much. I don’t think Mullen gets a 5th year if he hasn’t won the sec. and I don’t think he can win big.
I’ve been wrong before. Time will tell.

 

[Gatornator]

I didn’t prove anything. The Mullen collapses stand on their own.

I too think this is the year for Florida to get Ga. I think Ga is actually down this year and will be better next.
Let’s say you and I are correct and Mullen takes a step back next year. Will he feel the heat from the fans?
You make a good point about the AD but there’s more too it than that. We’re talking about a fan base that put so much pressure on a coach that he faked a health issue to get out.

Again don’t get me wrong.... I’m jealous of the desire to win among the Florida administration. I wish my university cared that much. I don’t think Mullen gets a 5th year if he hasn’t won the sec. and I don’t think he can win big.
I’ve been wrong before. Time will tell.

It may have been true about Florida fans in 2014, to a lesser extent 2017 (McElwain had a lot of character issues, like lying about getting death threats, it was not just the terrible product). Florida fans have settled down with their expectations given the last two coaches, most want stablility and progress (especially after seeing the $hit show at UT last year looking for a coach). If Mullen keeps getting 8-10 wins a year, with an occasional down year peppered with an occasional up year, he will be at UF for a long time,at least 5, probably longer.

 

[alaVOL]

Mullen is a proven very good coach and I was disappointed we couldn't land him. He'll do well at Florida of course, but I'm thinking Pruitt might just be the pill UT really needed. A straight shooting elite defensive coach. Got my fingers crossed.

 

[Orangeslice13]

It may have been true about Florida fans in 2014, to a lesser extent 2017 (McElwain had a lot of character issues, like lying about getting death threats, it was not just the terrible product). Florida fans have settled down with their expectations given the last two coaches, most want stablility and progress (especially after seeing the $hit show at UT last year looking for a coach). If Mullen keeps getting 8-10 wins a year, with an occasional down year peppered with an occasional up year, he will be at UF for a long time,at least 5, probably longer.

It would shock the crap out of me if he survived year 4 without a championship. I know some Florida fans already saying their national title contenders next year. I took a look at the Florida schedule next year and it’s as tough as I can remember. Who’s idea was it to open with Miami? It could be a tough year especially after the success of this one. The average Florida fan still has not taken enough of a beating to understand how rare a Meyer run was. If it goes bad next year the faithful will become restless

 

[UTK]

If I’m not mistaken didn’t UF have pretty good first years under Muschamp and Mcwhatever his name was? Then they proceeded to nose dive off a cliff? Just an observation.

 

[LouderVol]

Cool story bro. If Mullen takes us to the SECCG then he must be a failure like McElwain!! SMH.

If Pruitt did half the things Mullen did this season, Vols would proclaim him the next Nick Saban. Heck they already are calling him that just for getting a single SEC win against a mediocre Auburn.

Doubtful you actually paid attention to any Gator games outside of UT's annual loss. Let me give you some insight into the major differences between both so far. McElwain won on the backs of elite defense recruited by his predecessor. When McElwain arrived, his team's talent ranking for the prior three recruiting cycles was 5, Mullen's is 15. Ten of the 11 defensive starters in McElwain's win over Ole Miss were drafted, and quarterback Will Grier is a Heisman Trophy contender now at West Virginia. Felipe franks is no Will Grier.

Also, if you think the SEC Eeast in 2015 was anything like the SEC East in 2018, you clearly live in a bubble in Neyland.

That being said, can Mullen be a failure? Sure he can. But his current record indicates an upward trajectory we never had with McElwain.



Oh, ok. Now because you bestowed your support to our beloved Gators against UGA, we will suddenly start taking your word for Gospel.

just saying its happened before and didn't work out for you. difference for if UT did what Mullen is doing is that we haven't had a coach do that in the recent past. a trip to the SECCG would be a major step up for us. our best teams recently couldn't do it.

East hasn't much proved anything and doesn't have a dominant team. doing better vs the West than usual, but no one has really risen above the rest, and we still have a lot of crap. better than '15, yeah maybe, but that's a tallest midget comparison.

UGA-looked real bad in their loss to LSU, and haven't looked all that good generally.
UF-definite up and coming team, mixed bag with a win over LSU but loss to UK.
UK-best UK team, but still UK. win vs UF but loss to TAMU. good team but not someone good teams are worried about
USC-the bottom four teams are pretty interchangeable imo. not terrible, but fighting for bowl games. one or two may not get in.
UT
MU
VU

 

[Lawrence Wright]

It would shock the crap out of me if he survived year 4 without a championship. I know some Florida fans already saying their national title contenders next year. I took a look at the Florida schedule next year and it’s as tough as I can remember. Who’s idea was it to open with Miami? It could be a tough year especially after the success of this one. The average Florida fan still has not taken enough of a beating to understand how rare a Meyer run was. If it goes bad next year the faithful will become restless

If there’s anyone out there who knows what the average UF fan is thinking, it’s the so called rational guy on the internet taking Dan Mullen to task for not winning a championship while at Mississippi State.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

What championship did he win with that #1 ranking?

How many championships has Mississippi State won in your lifetime?

 

[Orangeslice13]

How many championships has Mississippi State won in your lifetime?

You are right. They’ve never won any championships. Their history of hiring coaches his pathetic.

 

[mitzustu]

On the other hand name another coach that won near as many games as him in the same amount of time at MSU.... kinda hard to win there.

 

[Orangeslice13]

If there’s anyone out there who knows what the average UF fan is thinking, it’s the so called rational guy on the internet taking Dan Mullen to task for not winning a championship while at Mississippi State.

How long will it take in your opinion for Mullen to win his 2nd SEC championship?

 

[Orangeslice13]

On the other hand name another coach that won near as many games as him in the same amount of time at MSU.... kinda hard to win there.

The argument it’s not that he’s a bad coach. He’s a good coach. I just don’t think he’s great. Tennessee fans want championships. Florida fans and their administration want championships. I don’t think Mullen is the guy to bring them championships. That doesn’t make him a bad coach.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

How long will it take in your opinion for Mullen to win his 2nd SEC championship?

I have no idea.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

You are right. They’ve never won any championships. Their history of hiring coaches his pathetic.

Yeah it's a shame MSU's administration couldn't lure guys like Steve Spurrier, Jimbo Fisher, Dabo Swinney or Nick Saban to Starkville, Mississippi....what with those unlimited resources, state of the art football facilities and unparalleled college football tradition in the Southeastern Conference.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Yeah it's a shame MSU's administration couldn't lure guys like Steve Spurrier, Jimbo Fisher, Dabo Swinney or Nick Saban to Starkville, Mississippi....what with those unlimited resources, state of the art football facilities and unparalleled college football tradition in the Southeastern Conference.

I've seen people be stubborn but this dude is redefining the term.

 

[Orangeslice13]

I've seen people be stubborn but this dude is redefining the term.

I’m willing to be convinced that he’s better than a good coach. State your case.

 

[Orangeslice13]

And since when is being good at your job an insult?

For 6 million a year he should be elite.
Is he?

Because so far no gators are willing to say he will win multiple Championships and one said he will not for the foreseeable future

 

[Jax_Vol]

The main reason I’m happy he’s your coach and not mine is I believe he’s good enough to keep the job at my school for 10 years without winning a single championship.

Exactly! Hopefully, Mullen is the new Mark Richt of the SEC.