Gator fans smell like **** thread

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Orangeslice13 said:
I don’t see anyone in the media treating him like saban or Meyer.
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No s***. Because he was at Miss St. I sound like a broken record.

The only thing he didn't do there was win a division title, and to be fair that's something they had done before once (1998). However, the coach who achieved that (Jackie Sherrill) also went only .500 there, had a much worse conference record, had 4 seasons where he won 3 games or less, only went to 6 bowl games to Mullen's 8 despite being there for longer, and got the school put on probation.

I don't think you really realize or appreciate just how difficult it is to win there. Starkville, MS is a remote cow town with resources and facilities that pale in comparison to the rest of the SEC's. He was there throughout the SEC West's domination of college football - 3 of his division rivals either played for or won national titles during his time there. If Miss St was a 6-6 team at best during his time there, I don't think anyone would have judged his harshly.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
There are informed opinions and uninformed opinions.

If you are not impressed with what Mullen accomplished at MSU, based on criteria that no other coach has delivered while coaching at MSU, it’s clear you simply don’t want to be impressed.

And that’s okay. This thread has evolved from Mullen being on par with Butch Jones in the pre-season, to Mullen not being “elite” enough for UF to be patient and give him 4-5 to build the program to a consistent national championship contender.

At the end of the day, this UF fan is cool with where we are. You and I both know if Mullen had UT in a similar situation following a 4-win season you’d be ready to crown him as the next Saban/Meyer/Rockne.
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no other school was that impressed. He was your third choice. doesn't sound like he impressed you guys too much. Outside of our fiasco I don't remember his name coming up elsewhere. TAMU/UCLA/Nebraska. As far as I know he was the third best option anywhere, an elite coach doesn't sit at third on your list. I could see sitting at two, but even at Florida where he has a history he was a distant third, at least not in the same breath as the others.
 
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LouderVol said:
no other school was that impressed. He was your third choice. doesn't sound like he impressed you guys too much. Outside of our fiasco I don't remember his name coming up elsewhere. TAMU/UCLA/Nebraska. As far as I know he was the third best option anywhere, an elite coach doesn't sit at third on your list. I could see sitting at two, but even at Florida where he has a history he was a distant third, at least not in the same breath as the others.
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Mullen was never going to go to UCLA or Nebraska regardless, especially Nebraska. Texas A&M went and hired a coach who has already won a title, so of course Mullen was going to be behind him.

Mullen is a good coach, but of course he is going to be behind someone like Jimbo or a coach who has a national championship appearance combined NFL experience (like Chip Kelly).
 
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LouderVol said:
no other school was that impressed. He was your third choice. doesn't sound like he impressed you guys too much. Outside of our fiasco I don't remember his name coming up elsewhere. TAMU/UCLA/Nebraska. As far as I know he was the third best option anywhere, an elite coach doesn't sit at third on your list. I could see sitting at two, but even at Florida where he has a history he was a distant third, at least not in the same breath as the others.
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Given that Frost and Kelly both have less combined victories than Mullen so far, I'm glad no one else was impressed.

Man, we really screwed up that coaching search, settling for our third option. :confused:
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I’m willing to be convinced that he’s better than a good coach. State your case.
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You need to be convinced, seriously? How about what’s right in front of you? He’s in the discussion for National Coach of the Year right now. He has a Florida team that most had winning about 6 games this year, ranked in the top 10 and in serious contention for the SEC east. He as taken Felipe Franks from laughingstock to arguably the second best QB in the league behind Tua. He’s literally a win v UGA away from having Florida in a serious discussion for the playoffs! And yes, that shocks the hell out of most Gator fans, including me! This same UF team, basically same players, who needed a desperation miracle heave to beat the same UT team last year in the Swamp, and beat them by 4 TD’s this year in Knoxville. He took over a team that was as soft as cotton and bullied his way to wins in hostile Starkeville and beat LSU at their own “tough guy” game.

All this in addition to being one of the few coaches in the history of Mississippi State football that didn’t leave that job due to being fired. Name another Miss State coach who left on his own; Jackie Sherrill maybe?

At this point, you have a much tougher case convincing the rest of us that he’s not a great, because so far, he’s been GREAT!
 
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Jaws said:
You need to be convinced, seriously? How about what’s right in front of you? He’s in the discussion for National Coach of the Year right now. He has a Florida team that most had winning about 6 games this year, ranked in the top 10 and in serious contention for the SEC east. He as taken Felipe Franks from laughingstock to arguably the second best QB in the league behind Tua. He’s literally a win v UGA away from having Florida in a serious discussion for the playoffs! And yes, that shocks the hell out of most Gator fans, including me! This same UF team, basically same players, who needed a desperation miracle heave to beat the same UT team last year in the Swamp, and beat them by 4 TD’s this year in Knoxville. He took over a team that was as soft as cotton and bullied his way to wins in hostile Starkeville and beat LSU at their own “tough guy” game.

All this in addition to being one of the few coaches in the history of Mississippi State football that didn’t leave that job due to being fired. Name another Miss State coach who left on his own; Jackie Sherrill maybe?

At this point, you have a much tougher case convincing the rest of us that he’s not a great, because so far, he’s been GREAT!
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Look at what the cat dragged in
 
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Jaws said:
You need to be convinced, seriously? How about what’s right in front of you? He’s in the discussion for National Coach of the Year right now. He has a Florida team that most had winning about 6 games this year, ranked in the top 10 and in serious contention for the SEC east. He as taken Felipe Franks from laughingstock to arguably the second best QB in the league behind Tua. He’s literally a win v UGA away from having Florida in a serious discussion for the playoffs! And yes, that shocks the hell out of most Gator fans, including me! This same UF team, basically same players, who needed a desperation miracle heave to beat the same UT team last year in the Swamp, and beat them by 4 TD’s this year in Knoxville. He took over a team that was as soft as cotton and bullied his way to wins in hostile Starkeville and beat LSU at their own “tough guy” game.

All this in addition to being one of the few coaches in the history of Mississippi State football that didn’t leave that job due to being fired. Name another Miss State coach who left on his own; Jackie Sherrill maybe?

At this point, you have a much tougher case convincing the rest of us that he’s not a great, because so far, he’s been GREAT!
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Cool
Thanks for actually stating an argument.

How long will it take him to win his 2nd SEC championship?
 
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It was said earlier but worth saying again. This debate is similar to one previously had about James Franklin.

He had 9 win seasons at Vandy and some people asked what top 10 team did he beat or what championships he won. It’s VANDY!

He beat Florida, Georgia and Tennessee while at Vandy. People would say....those teams were down at the time. It’s VANDY!

You don’t beat Florida, Georgia and Tennessee under any circumstances while at Vandy. He beat them all in the same season.

The Mississippi State thing is the same deal.
 
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99gator said:
It was said earlier but worth saying again. This debate is similar to one previously had about James Franklin.

He had 9 win seasons at Vandy and some people asked what top 10 team did he beat or what championships he won. It’s VANDY!

He beat Florida, Georgia and Tennessee while at Vandy. People would say....those teams were down at the time. It’s VANDY!

You don’t beat Florida, Georgia and Tennessee under any circumstances while at Vandy. He beat them all in the same season.

The Mississippi State thing is the same deal.
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Actually you’re one of the turds I like too.

If you’re talking about me in this debate then I actually think Franklin has a better shot at winning championships. He coaches to win. I can’t think of a single game where he had a lead and lost due to coaching errors.
Most of the Franklin hate from VN was due to his being at Vandy. Not his record there.

I’m going to restate my position one more time as it seems lost in the debate.
Some have suggested I’m taking him to task but I don’t really think that’s true. Saying a guy is good but won’t hit an unbelievably high standard isn’t hate. It’s discussion.
These are all things I’ve said on this subject.

Mullen is a good coach.
I’d even say very good coach
I expect him to win more games than the previous coaching staffs.
I think it’s easier to win in Florida than Tennessee
I don’t think Mullen will win multiple championships at Florida.
Tennessee would keep him much longer than Florida would.
If he had come here I wouldn’t harp on him like the negative fans do. I’d wait and see how it turned out and be at least happy to win more than we lose.
I still don’t think he’d do as well here as he will in Florida because he’s not known as a strong recutting coach and it’s more difficult to recruit here.
While it would be nice to improve, championships are still the standard.
Believing that he would not be able to win championships here I’d rather go with the unknown ability of Pruitt than the known Mullen
I am not arguing that Pruitt is the better coach just that I’d rather take a shot with him.
I believe Florida will not tolerae winning more games than the previous coach without Winning championships very long. They want championships
I wish Tennessee had that same attitude about coaching but let’s be honest, if butch could have won 8 games last year he’d still be here.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Given that Frost and Kelly both have less combined victories than Mullen so far, I'm glad no one else was impressed.

Man, we really screwed up that coaching search, settling for our third option. :confused:
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you are moving the goal post. we weren't talking about who had the best hire. but the impression that your coach had made at the last job. Surely everyone should have been impressed with Mullen's Sabaneque run of success at MSU to be kicking in doors and getting whatever job he wanted.
 
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99gator said:
It was said earlier but worth saying again. This debate is similar to one previously had about James Franklin.

He had 9 win seasons at Vandy and some people asked what top 10 team did he beat or what championships he won. It’s VANDY!

He beat Florida, Georgia and Tennessee while at Vandy. People would say....those teams were down at the time. It’s VANDY!

You don’t beat Florida, Georgia and Tennessee under any circumstances while at Vandy. He beat them all in the same season.

The Mississippi State thing is the same deal.
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Franklin entered last year on the hot seat, and may be looking at it again.
 
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LouderVol said:
you are moving the goal post. we weren't talking about who had the best hire. but the impression that your coach had made at the last job. Surely everyone should have been impressed with Mullen's Sabaneque run of success at MSU to be kicking in doors and getting whatever job he wanted.
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Not moving the goalpost, I was acknowledging your premise that UF was forced to "settle" for its third choice.

Win or lose tomorrow, that third choice is working out so far.
 
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Jax_Vol said:
How about this 69Gator guy?

whoops...nevermind...u like him...??? Jaws, I can see, but this guy..........they won't even claim him.
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He’s ok.
He’s pretty consistent in the way he posts. He’s not all moody like Lawrence Welk.

I kind a like geraniums also. But he tends to get a little miffed From time to time also.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Not moving the goalpost, I was acknowledging your premise that UF was forced to "settle" for its third choice.

Win or lose tomorrow, that third choice is working out so far.
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I hope he does win tomorrow. I also hope he beat Bama and the championship game in proves me wrong. I ****ing hate Bama. You guys are just a mild annoyance






Although I have said multiple championships and will see how he recruits over the long haul.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I hope he does win tomorrow. I also hope he beat Bama and the championship game in proves me wrong. I ****ing hate Bama. You guys are just a mild annoyance

Although I have said multiple championships and will see how he recruits over the long haul.
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If he recruits well, the championships will come.

I remain confident, based on Franks’ improvement and what Grantham’s done with our defense.

UF is scheming its way to victories with equal or lesser talent than our most recent opponents, Vandy being the exception with regards to talent.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
If he recruits well, the championships will come.

I remain confident, based on Franks’ improvement and what Grantham’s done with our defense.

UF is scheming its way to victories with equal or lesser talent than our most recent opponents, Vandy being the exception with regards to talent.
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Charleston Southern- UF had far superior talent
Kentucky -Kentucky has talent, but UF is still more talented, by a fair margin
Colorado State- UF has more talent
Tennessee - for our pride lets call UT equal in talent to UF
MSU- Similar to UK, there is talent, but not like UF has
LSU- ok here UF was definitely out talented
Vandy= UF definitely out talented Vandy

not sure how you want to claim equal or lesser talent. only 1 game you had less, maybe 2 you had equal (split UT/UK/MSU)
 
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LouderVol said:
Charleston Southern- UF had far superior talent
Kentucky -Kentucky has talent, but UF is still more talented, by a fair margin
Colorado State- UF has more talent
Tennessee - for our pride lets call UT equal in talent to UF
MSU- Similar to UK, there is talent, but not like UF has
LSU- ok here UF was definitely out talented
Vandy= UF definitely out talented Vandy

not sure how you want to claim equal or lesser talent. only 1 game you had less, maybe 2 you had equal (split UT/UK/MSU)
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Guess I should have qualified “most recent” as Mississippi State and LSU....games we were favored to lose.

I also think the talent gap between UF and UT isn’t all that big, so I’ll lump you guys in there too.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Guess I should have qualified “most recent” as Mississippi State and LSU....games we were favored to lose.

I also think the talent gap between UF and UT isn’t all that big.
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I think MSU and Auburn are in the same boat this year with expectations not meeting reality without a real reason why.

I would agree UT UF are pretty close in talent. Its why I think the game this year was a fluke. not saying we would/should have won. but I don't believe the points spread was indicative of the talent differential.
 
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LouderVol said:
I think MSU and Auburn are in the same boat this year with expectations not meeting reality without a real reason why.

I would agree UT UF are pretty close in talent. Its why I think the game this year was a fluke. not saying we would/should have won. but I don't believe the points spread was indicative of the talent differential.
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The stats seem closer than the score for sure. All that matters is the scoreboard though.
 
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LouderVol said:
no other school was that impressed. He was your third choice. doesn't sound like he impressed you guys too much. Outside of our fiasco I don't remember his name coming up elsewhere. TAMU/UCLA/Nebraska. As far as I know he was the third best option anywhere, an elite coach doesn't sit at third on your list. I could see sitting at two, but even at Florida where he has a history he was a distant third, at least not in the same breath as the others.
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This isn’t a very good argument for multiple reasons. Mullen has been rumored to be at the top of plenty of coaching searches in the past. There’s plenty of coaches who were #1 choices and flopped, plenty that weren’t and were great. Heck, if Rich Rod said yes to bama Saban never happens.

And iirc you’ve argued you would take Pruitt over Mullen and that you COULD see Pruitt leading us to the promise land
 
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Redundant thread is redundant.

TLDR version

Mullen achieved what no other coach before him achieved at Mississippi state. What he achieved there is historically relevant there. This is simply undisputed.
We don't know what Mullen will do at UF, but if he takes the same leap at UF that he took at Mississippi state relatively speaking, who should be winning championships. Orangeslice13 will not be convinced until Mullen wins a championship. He does not understand that it is fundamentally impossible to do at MSU. So no convincing him until he does the same at Florida. Luckily, Mullen seems to have a head start this season.
 
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