Genesis Creation Account and Science, Relying Upon Science to Interpret Scripture

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So, let's first identify a few simple rules.

Science does not seek to validate negatives. In other words, the claim, "Genesis is false. The creation account in Genesis did not happen as literally understood or described" are not claims science seeks to show as true.

Rather, science makes an affirmative claim (theory) and then finds evidence to support it or evidence is found and a theory is espoused to explain the evidence, in which case the theory then makes predictions which validate the theory.

The claim (theory) may be contradictory to other claims and according to the principle of non-contradiction, both claims cannot both be true. So, science does not, by evidence or otherwise, show a negative to be true (It is not the case a literal truth reading of Genesis is true) but rather the validation, or showing as likely true some claim they are making renders contradictory claims not true or not likely true. It is important to note science's claim of evolution does not claim the creation account in Genesis is wrong. Evolution does not concern itself with creation, and cannot comment on the creation claim in Genesis. Rather, what evolution does claim is contrary to a literal reading in Genesis of how all the presently living organisms came about. Science asserts it took many speciation events transpiring over the tenure of millions of years on earth, whereas a literal reading of Genesis, if true, states the living organisms have never changed, and are today as they were when God created them.

So some have decided, mostly Christians, the Genesis account of how living organisms presently in existence is not literally true but metaphorically true. The basis for this conclusion is the scientific claim, supported by evidence, which directly contradicts a literal truth reading of Genesis in regards to whether living organisms evolved to their present state or were created in this state.

Is this a good approach to understanding scripture?


Thoughts?
 
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Because scientists think they can tract what happened millions of years ago, doesn't mean God didn't do just what Genesis says he did.
 
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Because scientists think they can tract what happened millions of years ago, doesn't mean God didn't do just what Genesis says he did.

The natural world tells a story different than a literal take on Genesis. This conversation is doomed to move nowhere, but I don't understand how looking at a generic creation myth, not much different than dozens of other cultures' but with different deities, is infallible but carbon dating and stratigraphic evidence is shaky.
 
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Whether it is metaphorical or literal or not, you should change your font and underlining method to posting
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Underline sorry
 
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You completely missed my point.

Maybe. I thought your point was that scientists may not know what they think they know. My counterpoint was I didn't understand how one could view the scientific process and it's fruits as less credible than one of many creation stories.
 
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Because scientists think they can tract what happened millions of years ago, doesn't mean God didn't do just what Genesis says he did.

only that there's more proof in their findings than can be found in Genesis
 
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Maybe. I thought your point was that scientists may not know what they think they know. My counterpoint was I didn't understand how one could view the scientific process and it's fruits as less credible than one of many creation stories.

No, I have no proof they aren't right. (Have more to say but no time to say it, lol. Work.)
 
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Apparently the proof of what is said in Genesis is... the existence of the book of Genesis.
So, we can assume that "Where The Wild Things Are" and "The Grinch That Stole Christmas" are also based on actual events?
 
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So, we can assume that "Where The Wild Things Are" and "The Grinch That Stole Christmas" are also based on actual events?

I suppose so. Like "The Ten Commandments" with Charlton Heston, they have been made into live action movies after all.
 
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On the issues of a guy living in a whale's belly, spontaneously combusting bushes, and parting seas? Yep.

The spontaneously combusting bushes is one thing. That sort of thing can happen with sclerophyllous shrubs in the dry season. When it starts talking to you is when one should really worry.
 
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I agree with Mania. So then by your definition that makes me uninformed, insane and uneducated, Right?

Is it more insane to believe in a God creating life or a large explosion creating everything? Or a microorganism appearing out of nowhere?
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Is it more insane to believe in a God creating life or a large explosion creating everything? Or a microorganism appearing out of nowhere?
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It's kind of crazy to be staunchly against evolution and the big bang theory without apparently having a grasp of what they actually entail.
 
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Hat, one question....why do you always think your right and always have some smart @ss answer to everything. You have made fun of people in about every way imaginable. You have to be a insecure or at least have a reason why you act like a jerk so often. To call someone "uneducated" or basically stupid cause their belief in God is ridiculous. Pleas quit thinking your so high and mighty
 
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Hat, one question....why do you always think your right and always have some smart @ss answer to everything. You have made fun of people in about every way imaginable. You have to be a insecure or at least have a reason why you act like a jerk so often. To call someone "uneducated" or basically stupid cause their belief in God is ridiculous. Pleas quit thinking your so high and mighty
One reason I take the tone I do is that I enjoy making fun of, for example, people not intelligent enough to properly use "you're" versus "your." Consider yourself properly ridiculed and return to reading the King James Book of Fables and Foolishness.
 
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One reason I take the tone I do is that I enjoy making fun of, for example, people not intelligent enough to properly use "you're" versus "your." Consider yourself properly ridiculed and return to reading the King James Book of Fables and Foolishness.

Thats ok if you have something against God and the Bible. There is a reason why the Bible says Christians go down a road less traveled...its because people like you go down the other road. Thank you for correcting my grammar on a message board. I dont think I could have slept tonight knowing I forgot to use spell check. You like a bitter old man who has nothing in this world. I think you will be that bitter old man before it is said and done. Lighten the hell up already
 
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Scientific discovery has a way of continually making people change which scriptures should be considered literal and metaphoric.
 

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