Geno's statement this time is interesting.

[sisaq]

In an interview, Geno stated that this generation of young girls playing basketball tend to be spoil when compared in the olden days. He maintained, "when it comes to coaches; yelling at them, being strict, they tend to report it as abuse". Some transfer or media makes it worst by promoting bad and abusive coaches. That's very true!!!

 

[Dudleys87]

The media sucks they only report thier opinion.
I’m surprised they’re even allowed at practices anymore

 

[papatomany]

In an interview, Geno stated that this generation of young girls playing basketball tend to be spoil when compared in the olden days. He maintained, "when it comes to coaches; yelling at them, being strict, they tend to report it as abuse". Some transfer or media makes it worst by promoting bad and abusive coaches. That's very true!!!

So he essentially agreed with Holly's assessment that led to so much criticism on this board?

 

[Dudleys87]

So he essentially agreed with Holly's assessment that led to so much criticism on this board?

You’ll never convince me she was hard on kids.

 

[sisaq]

So he essentially agreed with Holly's assessment that led to so much criticism on this board?

He mentioned so many coaches that were fired base on abuse or being strict. Holly's firing has nothing to do with abuse..She just can't coach!

 

[Dudleys87]

He mentioned so many coaches that were fired base on abuse or being strict. Holly's firing has nothing to do with abuse..She just can't coach!

If they were being that hard on kids the light laced Media would be swarming. The more I listen the more I think this is Geno being Geno. Not winning like he wants to and wanting competition down.

 

[sisaq]

If they were being that hard on kids the light laced Media would be swarming. The more I listen the more I think this is Geno being Geno. Not winning like he wants to and wanting competition down.

lol

 

[Capt Straight]

If the kids don't want to listen to the coach, then let them go. The media will make up whatever story fits its narrative.

 

[creekdipper]

On the women's side, the gripes are about lax discipline, interfering parents, and coachabiliy.

On the men's side, the talk is about $ compensation for athletes and one-and-done.

Things could be worse.

 

[VolBricks]

Bob Knight said the same thing 30 years ago.

 

[Coach Jumper]

So he essentially agreed with Holly's assessment that led to so much criticism on this board?

LOL

 

[HuntlandVolinColo]

Beware of Genos-side. lol

 

[savannahfan]

I agree whole heartedly!!!!
Here again, as I have stated several times over the past couple of years, when the type of comments/complaints pop up, they reflect SOCIETY AS A WHOLE. The type behaivor "sited" by Geno is the type behaivor we endure on a daily bases in in every day society.
Seems to me with the increase in type use/abuse of social media and popularity of social liberalism, this behavior has increased by athletes at all levels of sports.

 

[Spook1]

In an interview, Geno stated that this generation of young girls playing basketball tend to be spoil when compared in the olden days. He maintained, "when it comes to coaches; yelling at them, being strict, they tend to report it as abuse". Some transfer or media makes it worst by promoting bad and abusive coaches. That's very true!!!

Unless Gino has changed he is noted for a "foul mouth" and language that no parent would want their daughter to tolerate.

 

[BruisedOrange]

I've thought for several years now that the difference between the 5-stars Geno gets and the 5-stars everyone else gets has been that he recruits more of the very few who have the mental-emotional toughness to be coached up to championship levels.

Holly recruited well--stars wise--but was she able to get many girls with 5-star coachability & toughness?

The irony (or generational marker) is... Holly's role for Pat was to be the softer spoken follow up, making Pat's succinct, brusque, pithy coaching remarks receivable to emotionally surprised or frustrated players.

I'm making no judgement nor defense of Holly as a coach, only remarking that if anyone should have been the ideal transitional coach from Pat's era to the current generation of players... Holly had both the experience and pedagree.
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I work at an all-boys prep school. We try to build men. I see daily the (counter-)influences of helicopter parenting, and the developmental bondage of a 24/7 texting/facetiming electronic umbilical cord.

I truly cannot imagine what this parental environment does to young women today, who are expected to become a high-achieving "solid self"--while charting their life's course by the veering needle of a politically correct compass, through the capricious high seas of social media relationships, toward a promised port in a gender-free utopia.

And, oh yes, bond with similarly privileged/handicapped young women as a tight-knit team that can win championships together.

 

[glv98]

For the first time, I think Geno may be getting old and tired. No doubt times change, and kids change with them. I don't doubt for minute that AAU entitlement syndrome presents new coaching challenges, as does current social media culture. Maybe he doesn't want to adapt anymore.

Learn to coach without bullying and intimidation. Totally false narrative that you can't be a strict, demanding disciplinarian without being scary. No doubt its easier to just bully, but a smart, modern coach knows they hold the ultimate "punishment" - playing time. I think alot of the in your face on TV coaching is a show anyway. And not all that effective in the long run. Not saying you can't chew them out when warranted, but hanging your coaching hat on making them quake
in their boots is not going to cut it in 2019 IMO.

I read often this season that the LVs would be alot better if they were made to run till they puked for every turnover. That implies they play badly on purpose and therefore need to be punished for being naughty, which IMO is just stupid. How about teaching instead of wasting time punishing? Identify and correct mistakes and if they are repeated, a warm seat on the bench with time to reflect and observe works better than a million punitive spiteful sprints. Running is for conditioning, teaching is for correcting mistakes.

Now I'm really going to get in trouble, but Holly was probably right that Pat would have struggled with today's players. Pat was a woman of her time and her background and her coaching style reflected that; however, I think she might have fought through, because she liked winning and success more than she was set in her ways. She showed a recognition that her on court style needed to change by seeking to update her offense and I believe she would have done same with her coaching philosophy if she possibly could have.

Just in case I'm not in enough trouble, I believe Pat's infamous MM jersey grab and threatening death glare was her worst coaching moment. Overly emotional and uncharacteristically out of control. Gotta have more in the coaching bag (not unlike the parenting bag) than I'm gonna kill you if you don't do what I say. Pat certainly did, and any successful modern coach has to also. If Geno is too old and tired to adapt, and I don't believe for a moment he really is, it's time for him to go.

 

[glv98]

I've thought for several years now that the difference between the 5-stars Geno gets and the 5-stars everyone else gets has been that he recruits more of the very few who have the mental-emotional toughness to be coached up to championship levels.

Holly recruited well--stars wise--but was she able to get many girls with 5-star coachability & toughness?

The irony (or generational marker) is... Holly's role for Pat was to be the softer spoken follow up, making Pat's succinct, brusque, pithy coaching remarks receivable to emotionally surprised or frustrated players.

I'm making no judgement nor defense of Holly as a coach, only remarking that if anyone should have been the ideal transitional coach from Pat's era to the current generation of players... Holly had both the experience and pedagree.
---
I work at an all-boys prep school. We try to build men. I see daily the (counter-)influences of helicopter parenting, and the developmental restraints of a 24/7 texting/facetiming electronic umbilical cord.

I truly cannot imagine what this parental environment does to young women today, who are expected to become a high-achieving "solid self"--while charting their life's course by the veering needle of a politically correct compass, through the capricious high seas of social media relationships, toward a promised port in a gender-free utopia.

And, oh yes, bond with similarly privileged/handicapped young women as a tight-knit team that can win championships together.

IMO we are using "mental toughness" and "coaching up" as an antithesis to some political agenda and social media more than as effective coaching methods. It makes the overly simplistic argument that yelling, screaming, threatening, and intimidating wins championships. If Holly had only been allowed to call them names, she would have won way more games, right?

Great leaders are able to adapt their communication style to what is actually effective and productive for the individuals they supervise. Also, results go a long way to put all the agendas aside and get players attention. Most kids would gladly put the phone aside if they see themselves developing and their teams winning.

 

[SDV]

So he essentially agreed with Holly's assessment that led to so much criticism on this board?

Yes, except he actually wins

 

[CED23]

In an interview, Geno stated that this generation of young girls playing basketball tend to be spoil when compared in the olden days. He maintained, "when it comes to coaches; yelling at them, being strict, they tend to report it as abuse". Some transfer or media makes it worst by promoting bad and abusive coaches. That's very true!!!

"The majority of coaches in America are afraid of their players," Auriemma said. "The NCAA, the athletic directors and society has made them afraid of their players. Every article you read: 'This guy's a bully. This woman's a bully. This guy went over the line. This woman was inappropriate.'

"Yet the players get off scot-free in everything. They can do whatever they want. They don't like something you say to them, they transfer. Coaches, they have to coach with one hand behind their back. Why? Because some people have abused the role of a coach."

But Auriemma said the so-called "line" between what is passionate and what is abusive can be hard to distinguish.
"People gave [Michigan State men's coach] Tom Izzo a lot of grief for something he did on the sideline," Auriemma said. "His players loved that. He doesn't have to care what you think of it. He just has to care what his players think of it. If his players all transferred, if his players all quit on him, then he went over the line. If his players play really hard for him, they keep winning, they love him, they keep coming back to the program, then that's passion."

"Everybody's got to coach to their personality," Auriemma said. "It's harder today than it's ever been to motivate players. I mean, I get we have to keep an eye on things. We don't want people to abuse the system. I get that. I'm all in favor of that.
"I just find it a little bit disconcerting that more and more coaches are being told, 'This is inappropriate; you're not acting the right way.' What is the right way, and who is going to decide what the right way is? I don't know what the answer to that is."

 

[PG1]

You’ll never convince me she was hard on kids.

Agreed! I think most players viewed her as soft! A pushover and that was a big part of problem!

 

[Raebo]

Geno’s comment came when someone asked the women final 4 coaches about Ton Izzy yelling at one of his players during a game and if that was verbal abuse. All the coaches said times have change and you have to be careful (look at UNC suspending the lady coach and all the assistants). All the coaches commented how easy it is for players to transfer if they get their feelings hurt. Some players expect to be yelled at and respond well to it but others have been coddled and in our present culture, consider it abusive. So they feel it is a fine line they walk when criticizing/yelling at a player and being “verbally abusive” in today’s culture. Nowadays, a player can make a complaint to admin about anything and there will be an investigation.

 

[BIG SEXY]

This is not only true in the sports arena but business as well. I run a chemical company that has multiple plants across the country. Trying to find workers who willl show up to work and put in an honest days work for fair pay is almost impossible. There is very little work ethic in the younger generation.

We have become a "soft" country.

 

[glv98]

This is not only true in the sports arena but business as well. I run a chemical company that has multiple plants across the country. Trying to find workers who willl show up to work and put in an honest days work for fair pay is almost impossible. There is very work ethic in the younger generation.

We have become a "soft" country.

I would argue we have become an addicted country. Most employers will tell you their biggest problem is finding hires who can pass a routine drug screen. Not only are we addicted to prescription drugs and their illegal offspring (thanks big pharma) but we're addicted to our food (look around you) and the instant gratification of our phones.

 

[sccshortstop]

Bob Knight said the same thing 30 years ago.

And I agree 100% . We have raised a generation of trophy winning whining brats that think everything centers around them! 99% of them could not have grew up playing sports when I did and the parents backed the coaches! I am certainly am not talking about ANY abuse but strong messages. Even RB is a strong willed my way and mouth shut or the highway and that is one reason just anyone cant play for him. I assure any players that stay with him very long would run through a brick , pun intended , wall for him. JMHO as always!!

 

[glv98]

And I agree 100% . We have raised a generation of trophy winning whining brats that think everything centers around them! 99% of them could not have grew up playing sports when I did and the parents backed the coaches! I am certainly am not talking about ANY abuse but strong messages. Even RB is a strong willed my way and mouth shut or the highway and that is one reason just anyone cant play for him. I assure any players that stay with him very long would run through a brick , pun intended , wall for him. JMHO as always!!

Actually IMO Rick Barnes is a perfect example of NOT using showboating beatdowns, at least during games. Yes, of course, he gets in their face for mistakes, but has his say without showing off, addresses the error and moves on quickly. Obviously is very effective at creating a tight culture, able to do my way or the highway without threatening and intimidating public posturing. Is able to foster maximum respect without theatrics. At 64, is totally able to adapt, though I'm sure its not easy. And again, his results, both with player development (hi Jordan Bone) and winning records, solve a whole lot of problems. Nothing creates respect like success.