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KSVOL

KSVOL

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This has been a good year. We have 3 losses, to the #3, #5, and #9 teams in the country. We lost two of them with out our starting Qb and have other key players out for more. We have beaten the teams we should beat, and some that could go either way. We win our last two games and we are 9-3. Thats a good year, but obviously not great. Thats why we can look to next year with hope. Would you want to trade places with Georgia or SC this year? Things can always be worse. Lets be glad we have had a good year and thank the coaches and players.
 
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The disappointing thing to me is that we are not on the level of those top tier teams we played, even if the score in two of them indicated we were.

LSU and Florida fielded much better teams than we have, especially on the lines. The Arkansas game was such a fiasco that I really don't feel like I can make an accurate assessment.

You are correct in saying that 9-3 is a good, but not great, year, and that there is no disgrace in losing to top ranked teams, but we are not a championship caliber team. After 5-6 I'm not sure what I expected, but to be physically manhandled in the three losses is discouraging. There is a big difference between them and us right now.
 
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KSVOL said:
This has been a good year. We have 3 losses, to the #3, #5, and #9 teams in the country. We lost two of them with out our starting Qb and have other key players out for more. We have beaten the teams we should beat, and some that could go either way. We win our last two games and we are 9-3. Thats a good year, but obviously not great. Thats why we can look to next year with hope. Would you want to trade places with Georgia or SC this year? Things can always be worse. Lets be glad we have had a good year and thank the coaches and players.
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Keep drinking the kool-aid.
 
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i agree with you completely.....unfortunately you're not going to get tennessee fans to accept that kind of explaination......i think losing by one point to florida and 3 points to lsu (w/o Ainge) are acceptable.....the Arkansas game was a bad loss.....but Arky is a good team.....
 
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After a 5-6 season, 9-3 isn't too bad. But I agree with the other posts in the fact that there is a serious gap between us and the top tier teams. Do we want to be up there? Of course. Do we have the "ship" to take us there? No. The recruiting season and next year will say a lot but if we aren't in the top mix after next year I feel that some "major" changes must take place.
 
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KSVOL said:
This has been a good year. We have 3 losses, to the #3, #5, and #9 teams in the country. We lost two of them with out our starting Qb and have other key players out for more. We have beaten the teams we should beat, and some that could go either way. We win our last two games and we are 9-3. Thats a good year, but obviously not great. Thats why we can look to next year with hope. Would you want to trade places with Georgia or SC this year? Things can always be worse. Lets be glad we have had a good year and thank the coaches and players.
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I would like to trade the coaches how about that:clapping: . What I have noticed since that NC year is a lack of dedication on the football team as a whole. I can't blame it so much on the players, simply because they are there for such a short time. Some of these guys that have been there from day one need to reevaluate their position on this team and really take a hard look at their pluses and minuses in regard to what type of impact they are having. I know the defense is not to blame for all our losses, however I can see where some improvement could have possibly made a loss possibly turn into a win.
Coaches, have you given your all to Tennessee today:question: .
 
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obxvol said:
After a 5-6 season, 9-3 isn't too bad. But I agree with the other posts in the fact that there is a serious gap between us and the top tier teams. Do we want to be up there? Of course. Do we have the "ship" to take us there? No. The recruiting season and next year will say a lot but if we aren't in the top mix after next year I feel that some "major" changes must take place.
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Who's fault was the 5-6 season? Just because we are coming off a crappy season doesn't mean a mediocre season is justified.
 
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KSVOL said:
This has been a good year. We win our last two games and we are 9-3. Thats a good year, but obviously not great. Thats why we can look to next year with hope.
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Don't count on the last two games as sure wins. Vanderbilt and Kentucky might have something to say about that.
 
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KSVOL said:
Would you want to trade places with Georgia or SC this year? Things can always be worse. Lets be glad we have had a good year and thank the coaches and players.
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I hope we haven't reached a point where we're comparing UT's program with South Carolina.
 
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PineyBluffVol,

Give me a break. There's a point at which coaching ends and execution takes over. Anyone who's ever coached can point to players who are on the field (whether it's 1 or 11) who get all the extra football help in the world during the practice week and then completely collapse during the games. Ask the questions during film "What are you supposed to be doing here? Why are you doing....?" and they'll either tell you exactly what (without having done it) or clam up (because they know and don't want to be continually admonished).
 
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Ohio Vol said:
PineyBluffVol,

Give me a break. There's a point at which coaching ends and execution takes over. Anyone who's ever coached can point to players who are on the field (whether it's 1 or 11) who get all the extra football help in the world during the practice week and then completely collapse during the games. Ask the questions during film "What are you supposed to be doing here? Why are you doing....?" and they'll either tell you exactly what (without having done it) or clam up (because they know and don't want to be continually admonished).
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Here's a novel thought. Maybe you actually quit playing the guys who continually bust assignments. Then again, we wouldn't be able to field an offensive line if we did that.
 
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Ohio Vol said:
PineyBluffVol,

Give me a break. There's a point at which coaching ends and execution takes over. Anyone who's ever coached can point to players who are on the field (whether it's 1 or 11) who get all the extra football help in the world during the practice week and then completely collapse during the games. Ask the questions during film "What are you supposed to be doing here? Why are you doing....?" and they'll either tell you exactly what (without having done it) or clam up (because they know and don't want to be continually admonished).
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That's when you bench their ass.
 
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cotton said:
The disappointing thing to me is that we are not on the level of those top tier teams we played, even if the score in two of them indicated we were.

LSU and Florida fielded much better teams than we have, especially on the lines. The Arkansas game was such a fiasco that I really don't feel like I can make an accurate assessment.

You are correct in saying that 9-3 is a good, but not great, year, and that there is no disgrace in losing to top ranked teams, but we are not a championship caliber team. After 5-6 I'm not sure what I expected, but to be physically manhandled in the three losses is discouraging. There is a big difference between them and us right now.
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Great post, I've been saying the same thing for the past 24 hours. We won't be able to gloss over the fact that the best teams in the SEC (which we are not) are whipping us on the lines - we were exposed last night - and that may have escaped notice in the FL and LSU games because of the final score. Our strength, conditioning and technique on the lines, HAVE to be addressed in the off season.
 
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General Jack said:
Great post, I've been saying the same thing for the past 24 hours. We won't be able to gloss over the fact that the best teams in the SEC (which we are not) are whipping us on the lines - we were exposed last night - and that may have escaped notice in the FL and LSU games because of the final score. Our strength, conditioning and technique on the lines, HAVE to be addressed in the off season.
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We were exposed in the Air Force game.
 
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Big Vol Nasty said:
We were exposed in the Air Force game.
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Yes, but I consider that our mulligan for the year. Those happen, heck, OSU almost lost to freakin' Illinois last week. It was between two big games, yada yada. I agree it was subpar and disappointing, but we just didn't show up - an argument that doesn't hold water playing a ranked SEC opponent.
 
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I'm a teacher, and someone once told me, "Be sure you don't teach something wrong. If they learn the wrong thing, it takes about 7 times longer to get them to do it right." Can't cure all of our offensive ills in one season. Our defensive problems come down to the fact that we're too thin, and I think it's a mixture of losses to injury, talent that hasn't panned out, and, admittedly, lackluster conservative scheming. It'll be okay eventually, but we're going to have to have faith and hold on for a while longer.
 
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BigVolNasty and hatvol,

And replace them with who? It's one thing to say "This receiver has cut his route short three straight plays, so put in another one" (which is clear to see) and quite another to be able to quickly analyze the play of five men at the same time (which usually doesn't REALLY get seen well until film time).

Anyone except the offensive linemen usually get a pretty good number of reps; the whole point of a line practicing as a unit is to build the cohesion and chemistry. A center can have his guard pick up someone in the A gap, but a receiver can't tell the other one to run a different route.

And without knowing the schemes and styles, there isn't anyone except the players and position coaches who can actually tell you who was supposed to pick up who (in spite of what most analysts may think).
 
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Ohio Vol said:
BigVolNasty and hatvol,

And replace them with who? It's one thing to say "This receiver has cut his route short three straight plays, so put in another one" (which is clear to see) and quite another to be able to quickly analyze the play of five men at the same time (which usually doesn't REALLY get seen well until film time).

Anyone except the offensive linemen usually get a pretty good number of reps; the whole point of a line practicing as a unit is to build the cohesion and chemistry. A center can have his guard pick up someone in the A gap, but a receiver can't tell the other one to run a different route.

And without knowing the schemes and styles, there isn't anyone except the players and position coaches who can actually tell you who was supposed to pick up who (in spite of what most analysts may think).
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So, your argument is this: Since the entire unit has been bad, leave them out there together. It helps continuity.
 
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hatvol,

Hardly. My point is that it's a heck of a lot tougher to look at an offensive lineman during a game and say "He's not doing anything" without actually knowing the schemes and techniques taught. I can sit here and say "No one in Division 1-A knows how to block properly" because of my own bias based on the way that I personally teach blocking. That's totally different than pointing to a wide receiver and saying "He exerted no effort trying to block a cornerback on a run play."

In the heat of a game, the only way to distinctly be able to tell an offensive lineman needs replaced is if he's simply plodding through the motions and not being aggressive. If he's trying to slap rather than block, get him out of there. If someone's running a gap next to him, it doesn't necessarily mean it's his fault and that he should be benched (particularly without knowing a player's individual assignments on a play).
 
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Ohio Vol said:
hatvol,

Hardly. My point is that it's a heck of a lot tougher to look at an offensive lineman during a game and say "He's not doing anything" without actually knowing the schemes and techniques taught. I can sit here and say "No one in Division 1-A knows how to block properly" because of my own bias based on the way that I personally teach blocking. That's totally different than pointing to a wide receiver and saying "He exerted no effort trying to block a cornerback on a run play."

In the heat of a game, the only way to distinctly be able to tell an offensive lineman needs replaced is if he's simply plodding through the motions and not being aggressive. If he's trying to slap rather than block, get him out of there. If someone's running a gap next to him, it doesn't necessarily mean it's his fault and that he should be benched (particularly without knowing a player's individual assignments on a play).
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If you think any of our offensive linemen are aggressive, we'll just agree to disagree.
 
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kptvol said:
Who's fault was the 5-6 season? Just because we are coming off a crappy season doesn't mean a mediocre season is justified.
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I believe the OC stepped down, and a couple of other coaches were let go. Seems to me the recievers and quarterback position are on the way back up, so why not be patient one more year and let these guys gel with their new position coaches?
 
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hatvol,

I don't, which is the reason I haven't gone out of my way to watch the last two games. Heck, I missed the first three quarters of Arkansas because I was picking up a pizza.
 
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Ohio Vol said:
hatvol,

I don't, which is the reason I haven't gone out of my way to watch the last two games. Heck, I missed the first three quarters of Arkansas because I was picking up a pizza.
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Sounds like you need a more efficient pizza parlor. Three quarters to get a pie ready?
 
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