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Pro Libertate: The Resistance Rises: Reinstating the "Castle Doctrine"

The entire article is very worth the read, especially the stories told towards the end. Here are some highlights of what is proposed and what is at stake:
The text of SB 1 states that its legislative purpose “is to protect citizens from unlawful entry into their homes by law enforcement officers or persons pretending to be law enforcement officers. Both citizens and law enforcement officers benefit from clear guidance about the parameters of lawful home entry, which will reduce the potential for violence and respect the privacy and property of citizens.”

To that end, the bill recognizes that an individual “may use force … to prevent or terminate a law enforcement officer’s unlawful entry.”
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SB1 is not an innovation; it simply restores an explicit understanding of Indiana’s “castle doctrine,” which was subverted last year in the Indiana State Supreme Court’s Barnes v. State ruling. As a wire service report observed at the time, that ruling effectively nullified the core protections contained in the Fourth Amendment and the equivalent provision in the Indiana constitution, as well as protections and immunities recognized by "common law dating back to the English Magna Carta of 1215.” The 3–2 decision last May 12 held that Indiana residents have no right to obstruct unlawful police incursions into their homes.
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Although the "risks" to a police officer in such an encounter are vanishingly small, we shouldn’t forget that at all times, and in all places, "officer safety" is the controlling priority. "It's not surprising that [the court] would say there's no right to beat the hell out of the officer,” commented Professor Ivan Bodensteiner of Valparaiso University School of Law.

When a cop invades a home without legal authority, he is acting as a criminal, rather than a peace officer. SB 1 recognizes that principle by focusing on the act of illegal entry, rather than the identity of the aggressor.

The measure allows for forcible entry only when the officer has a valid warrant or legitimate probable cause; is in pursuit of a criminal suspect; or is acting with the consent or on the invitation of an adult resident. In other words: It would restore the status quo ante Barnes, which – in nullifying the Fourth Amendment – actually issued a hunting license to the police.
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“Our laws, our statutes, our Constitution, and the value of our country [were built] on one premise, and that was to defend our citizens against the government –not defend our government against our citizens,” noted State Senator Mike Young of Indianapolis, author of SB 1. “The [Barnes] ruling was a ruling that defended the government against the citizens.”
Rep. Jud McMillin of Dearborn, who wrote the house version of the bill, added: “The distinction here is not between police officers and citizens. The distinction to be made here is between what is lawful and what is unlawful. In a society where we value our freedoms, we cannot have a bright-line test that tells people when they cannot exercise their freedoms.”
 
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I would absolutely hate to be forced in the situation of a home invasion. However, if I were, I would protect myself and more importantly my wife and two precious daughters with lethal force if necessary. I am of the belief that if a person breaks into my home while me and my family are present, they are willing to perpetrate the unthinkable to carry out their intentions. Thus, I feel justified in using lethal force if called upon to pretect my loved ones. I say this not out of boisterous machismo but out of my responsibilty to protect my loved ones. I am under no illusions that I will be completely at peace should this scenario happen. The ramifications both emotionally and spiritually of the actions I would feel forced to carry out to keep my family safe would haunt me for the rest of my life I'm sure. The mere thought of being forced to take these actions sickens me. In the end, as a husband and especially as a father, it is my responsibility to protect my family. I would do everything within my power to try to avoid having to use lethal force, be assured. If I did use that level of force, you can be certain that it was the last option left to me. As I stated earlier, I would more than likely be destroyed emotionally. But, I am willing to sacrifice my life for my family. They deserve nothing less from me. Obviously I support the Castle Doctrine. It's sad that there are people in the world that make laws such as this have to be created.
 
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I would absolutely hate to be forced in the situation of a home invasion. However, if I were, I would protect myself and more importantly my wife and two precious daughters with lethal force if necessary. I am of the belief that if a person breaks into my home while me and my family are present, they are willing to perpetrate the unthinkable to carry out their intentions. Thus, I feel justified in using lethal force if called upon to pretect my loved ones. I say this not out of boisterous machismo but out of my responsibilty to protect my loved ones. I am under no illusions that I will be completely at peace should this scenario happen. The ramifications both emotionally and spiritually of the actions I would feel forced to carry out to keep my family safe would haunt me for the rest of my life I'm sure. The mere thought of being forced to take these actions sickens me. In the end, as a husband and especially as a father, it is my responsibility to protect my family. I would do everything within my power to try to avoid having to use lethal force, be assured. If I did use that level of force, you can be certain that it was the last option left to me. As I stated earlier, I would more than likely be destroyed emotionally. But, I am willing to sacrifice my life for my family. They deserve nothing less from me. Obviously I support the Castle Doctrine. It's sad that there are people in the world that make laws such as this have to be created.

Trust me when I say if you ever had to take a life, that it is so much easier to live with than you think. Remember, they were not asking for a cup of sugar, they wanted to take your possessions, your life or that of your families. I also dread if this was to ever happen to me, my only hope is that I can perform and take care of the task at hand and rely on my military training and experience to prevail over any attacker. 50 rounds in my PS90 also will help :whistling:
 
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The ramifications both emotionally and spiritually of the actions I would feel forced to carry out to keep my family safe would haunt me for the rest of my life I'm sure. The mere thought of being forced to take these actions sickens me. In the end, as a husband and especially as a father, it is my responsibility to protect my family.

The last sentence wholly obviates the need for angst about the rest of it. You shouldn't be all happy about it but doing what needs doing, especially in response to something entirely of the other party's volition.

As to the OP it's quite interesting. This line in particular has some real iron:

Rep. Jud McMillin of Dearborn, who wrote the house version of the bill, added: “The distinction here is not between police officers and citizens. The distinction to be made here is between what is lawful and what is unlawful. In a society where we value our freedoms, we cannot have a bright-line test that tells people when they cannot exercise their freedoms.”
 
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The last sentence wholly obviates the need for angst about the rest of it. You shouldn't be all happy about it but doing what needs doing, especially in response to something entirely of the other party's volition.

As to the OP it's quite interesting. This line in particular has some real iron:

I understand and agree. I know that I would be justified, but I know me. It would still be very troublesome.
 
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Here's the rub. As soon as you exercise your right to prevent or stop unlawful entry you will be deemed a threat to public safety, at which point, they'll bring in the big guns and special tactics units.
 
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Here's the rub. As soon as you exercise your right to prevent or stop unlawful entry you will be deemed a threat to public safety, at which point, they'll bring in the big guns and special tactics units.

For anyone that's ever had anything bad to say about a lawyer that would be the time to get over it. If possible start recording the encounter. Hell, call the media. Stossell would be all over it. :)
 
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Shoot to kill, not to wound
Dead men tell no tales
Rather be judged by 12, then carried by 6
.45 ACP, because you might only get one shot

And the rest of the macho rah rah
 
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For anyone that's ever had anything bad to say about a lawyer that would be the time to get over it. If possible start recording the encounter. Hell, call the media. Stossell would be all over it. :)

Definitely need to go full public exposure at that point.
 
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It is simply too dangerous to exercise your rights. The whole system is rigged against you.

Just think of it in a different context. If you get a ticket for failure to stop at a stop sign, do you think you can win that case? You would have to go into court with some irrefutable evidence that you didn't do it before the judge will rule in your favor. They automatically take the cops word over yours. You are not supposed to have to prove your innocence, they are supposed to have to prove your guilt. Instead, you are essentially guilty just because the cop says so.

Do you really think you have much chance in a confrontation with cops that escalates? You may be able to defend yourself from assault, but you will lose in court.
 

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