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Good:

1) Thought the defense was impressive in the first half. Florida's own QB problems helped, but we made big plays, knocked florida around a bit, held when we had poor field position. Had one terrible play on the TD pass--but was encouraged (for a half, at least).

2) Pig Howard brought some much needed speed to the offense. Made a couple of big plays. Need him to play an even bigger role--and need somebody else like him to contribute. Missing D. Young.

3) Worley improved the offense in second half. Yea, he had two picks but he threw for 150 yards in a half and a score and gave the unit SOMETHING--a bit of hope. He's not a guy who is going to rally us from 21 down to a good SEC defense with his passing--that's why he threw picks.

4) Palardy is better.

BAD:

1) 66 yards rushing versus 250 or so for florida.

2) Defense gave up scores on florida's first two possessions (yes?) of second half. Can't happen. We came out and drove for a FG to pull within 7, then we give up a TD and the game is over. You CANNOT let teams score to end the first half or start the second--always killers. Axiomatic for defense. Edge defense was bad. Got beat repeatedly on the corners for first downs. Result: Florida's time of possession was double ours for the game. That almost always results in an L.

3) Weak short passing game. I've been railing about this for weeks. We are a team that NEEDS a short passing game--every team does, but especially one like ours with inexperienced receivers and some QB issues. We've got to have pass plays that can get us 5-10 yards reliably to keep defenses honest. We got nothing from the TE position today. First half: Deep in our own territory, 2nd and 8: Our OC inexplicably has Peterman throw a deep sideline pattern; Peterman didn't even see the receiver, he just threw it. Incomplete. STUPID call. Need a first down, badly, defense on the field a lot already. Even 5 yards would be helpful. Instead, we get ZIP on that dumb pass play, and on 3rd and 8 Peterman is hit in the pocket and fumbles.


UGLY:

1) Starting Peterman and sticking with Peterman. Bad gamble by Jones made worse by his slowness in changing QBs.

2) Six turnovers. The ONE thing underdog teams have to do above all else is limit their turnovers. No margin for error, need any and all advantages. Instead, we made it easier for a better team to beat us.
 
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Good:

1) Thought the defense was impressive in the first half. Florida's own QB problems helped, but we made big plays, knocked florida around a bit, held when we had poor field position. Had one terrible play on the TD pass--but was encouraged (for a half, at least).

2) Pig Howard brought some much needed speed to the offense. Made a couple of big plays. Need him to play an even bigger role--and need somebody else like him to contribute. Missing D. Young.

3) Worley improved the offense in second half. Yea, he had two picks but he threw for 150 yards in a half and a score and gave the unit SOMETHING--a bit of hope. He's not a guy who is going to rally us from 21 down to a good SEC defense with his passing--that's why he threw picks.

4) Palardy is better.

BAD:

1) 66 yards rushing versus 250 or so for florida.

2) Defense gave up scores on florida's first two possessions (yes?) of second half. Can't happen. We came out and drove for a FG to pull within 7, then we give up a TD and the game is over. You CANNOT let teams score to end the first half or start the second--always killers. Axiomatic for defense. Edge defense was bad. Got beat repeatedly on the corners for first downs. Result: Florida's time of possession was double ours for the game. That almost always results in an L.

3) Weak short passing game. I've been railing about this for weeks. We are a team that NEEDS a short passing game--every team does, but especially one like ours with inexperienced receivers and some QB issues. We've got to have pass plays that can get us 5-10 yards reliably to keep defenses honest. We got nothing from the TE position today. First half: Deep in our own territory, 2nd and 8: Our OC inexplicably has Peterman throw a deep sideline pattern; Peterman didn't even see the receiver, he just threw it. Incomplete. STUPID call. Need a first down, badly, defense on the field a lot already. Even 5 yards would be helpful. Instead, we get ZIP on that dumb pass play, and on 3rd and 8 Peterman is hit in the pocket and fumbles.


UGLY:

1) Starting Peterman and sticking with Peterman. Bad gamble by Jones made worse by his slowness in changing QBs.

2) Six turnovers. The ONE thing underdog teams have to do above all else is limit their turnovers. No margin for error, need any and all advantages. Instead, we made it easier for a better team to beat us.

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The truth is we're a middle to lower tier SEC team and we may stay there for years to come. This will be year #5 in the cellar. The 90s were a perfect storm for UT in terms of good things happening. Now, its quite a different story.

6 turnovers? WKU would have beaten us with that kind of performance.
 
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Good:

1) Thought the defense was impressive in the first half. Florida's own QB problems helped, but we made big plays, knocked florida around a bit, held when we had poor field position. Had one terrible play on the TD pass--but was encouraged (for a half, at least).

2) Pig Howard brought some much needed speed to the offense. Made a couple of big plays. Need him to play an even bigger role--and need somebody else like him to contribute. Missing D. Young.

3) Worley improved the offense in second half. Yea, he had two picks but he threw for 150 yards in a half and a score and gave the unit SOMETHING--a bit of hope. He's not a guy who is going to rally us from 21 down to a good SEC defense with his passing--that's why he threw picks.

4) Palardy is better.

BAD:

1) 66 yards rushing versus 250 or so for florida.

2) Defense gave up scores on florida's first two possessions (yes?) of second half. Can't happen. We came out and drove for a FG to pull within 7, then we give up a TD and the game is over. You CANNOT let teams score to end the first half or start the second--always killers. Axiomatic for defense. Edge defense was bad. Got beat repeatedly on the corners for first downs. Result: Florida's time of possession was double ours for the game. That almost always results in an L.

3) Weak short passing game. I've been railing about this for weeks. We are a team that NEEDS a short passing game--every team does, but especially one like ours with inexperienced receivers and some QB issues. We've got to have pass plays that can get us 5-10 yards reliably to keep defenses honest. We got nothing from the TE position today. First half: Deep in our own territory, 2nd and 8: Our OC inexplicably has Peterman throw a deep sideline pattern; Peterman didn't even see the receiver, he just threw it. Incomplete. STUPID call. Need a first down, badly, defense on the field a lot already. Even 5 yards would be helpful. Instead, we get ZIP on that dumb pass play, and on 3rd and 8 Peterman is hit in the pocket and fumbles.


UGLY:

1) Starting Peterman and sticking with Peterman. Bad gamble by Jones made worse by his slowness in changing QBs.

2) Six turnovers. The ONE thing underdog teams have to do above all else is limit their turnovers. No margin for error, need any and all advantages. Instead, we made it easier for a better team to beat us.

I pretty much agree with every bit of this. Also, 9th loss in a row to florida=UGLY.
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I disagree somewhat regarding the defense.

If this defense didn't step up and make some plays at the beginning of the game, it's over in the first quarter with Peterman turning the ball over.

Florida didn't take control until that back breaking drive midway through the 3rd offensively. I think some of that speaks to a lack of depth and speed with players being in position but not athletic enough to finish plays.

The defense took a step forward today after that beat down from Oregon.

The offense is stuck in neutral and rolling backwards. There appears to be no answer at QB 4 games into the season.

Peterman put on the worst performance I have ever seen at UT by a QB.

Worley isn't good, but it doesn't help that the coaching staff keeps asking him to make deep out throws and running a spread option with zero threat of him actually keeping the ball.

This staff certainly doesn't seem able to coach to their players strength on offense.
 
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Please forget about the 90s. They were abad time for anything but UT football. Please please please forget about the 90s. None of those players are coming back.
 
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The truth is we're a middle to lower tier SEC team and we may stay there for years to come. This will be year #5 in the cellar. The 90s were a perfect storm for UT in terms of good things happening. Now, its quite a different story.

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When Fulmer failed to turn it around and was rightly fired, UT entered a cycle that programs go through. Bama, USC, Texas, tOSU, UGA, etc have done it. After a successful coach leaves, programs go through a series of coaches until they find the right one at the right time. Sometimes it only takes one or two changes... sometimes several.

This is one of the reasons I refuse to be sucked into the "Butch is definitely the guy" mentality. He may not be. He definitely did not inherit an "ideal" situation.

It is very difficult to stomach.
 
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The defense gave up scores, but can you really blame a defense that spent so much time on the field? With out our offense controlling the clock the defense is going to give up plays from being tired.
 
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I disagree somewhat regarding the defense.

If this defense didn't step up and make some plays at the beginning of the game, it's over in the first quarter with Peterman turning the ball over.

Florida didn't take control until that back breaking drive midway through the 3rd offensively. I think some of that speaks to a lack of depth and speed with players being in position but not athletic enough to finish plays.

The defense took a step forward today after that beat down from Oregon.

The offense is stuck in neutral and rolling backwards. There appears to be no answer at QB 4 games into the season.

Peterman put on the worst performance I have ever seen at UT by a QB.

Worley isn't good, but it doesn't help that the coaching staff keeps asking him to make deep out throws and running a spread option with zero threat of him actually keeping the ball.

This staff certainly doesn't seem able to coach to their players strength on offense.

ABSOLUTELY!!! They do not put the players in the best position for them to be successful as it relates to the current talent on this team. Thank you.
 
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I disagree somewhat regarding the defense.

If this defense didn't step up and make some plays at the beginning of the game, it's over in the first quarter with Peterman turning the ball over.

Florida didn't take control until that back breaking drive midway through the 3rd offensively. I think some of that speaks to a lack of depth and speed with players being in position but not athletic enough to finish plays.

The defense took a step forward today after that beat down from Oregon.

The offense is stuck in neutral and rolling backwards. There appears to be no answer at QB 4 games into the season.

Peterman put on the worst performance I have ever seen at UT by a QB.

Worley isn't good, but it doesn't help that the coaching staff keeps asking him to make deep out throws and running a spread option with zero threat of him actually keeping the ball.

This staff certainly doesn't seem able to coach to their players strength on offense.
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The truth is we're a middle to lower tier SEC team and we may stay there for years to come. This will be year #5 in the cellar. The 90s were a perfect storm for UT in terms of good things happening. Now, its quite a different story.

6 turnovers? WKU would have beaten us with that kind of performance.

Amazing we had 6 TO's and still were in the game. Had Worley started, might have been a different game, who knows. Our O line is still a huge disappointment, way overrated IMO. Our defense lacks speed, especially in the secondary. Butch is going to turn this around, it's gong to tAke several years and lots of patience.
 
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Amazing we had 6 TO's and still were in the game. Had Worley started, might have been a different game, who knows. Our O line is still a huge disappointment, way overrated IMO. Our defense lacks speed, especially in the secondary. Butch is going to turn this around, it's gong to tAke several years and lots of patience.

His tenure and this season are young... but I have seen NOTHING the past two weeks to give me hope that the program is being turned around. I am not sure the performance of this team from an execution standpoint is significantly better than we've seen over the past 6 years. I am pretty certain that Chaney and Wilcox could have done as well or better than what we've seen so far.

IMO, Wilcox would have been significantly better.
 
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His tenure and this season are young... but I have seen NOTHING the past two weeks to give me hope that the program is being turned around. I am not sure the performance of this team from an execution standpoint is significantly better than we've seen over the past 6 years. I am pretty certain that Chaney and Wilcox could have done as well or better than what we've seen so far.

IMO, Wilcox would have been significantly better.

Maybe, however, Rome wasn't built in a day. CBJ is having to change the entire culture of this program because of 3 years of horrible coaching by Dooley and his staff. We go into games not expecting to win and CBJ is trying to change this. It's not going to happen overnight. We need players and a complete change of attitude and CBJ is making progress in both areas. Give the man at least 3 years to get his players and change the loser attitude that has developed over the past3 years.
 
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Nice summary. It really is.

Now, I have a serious question. I nearly started a thread, but it would just get buried among the meltdown threads. :) Since you alluded to this, I'll just put it in here.

Here's the Q. Hopefully someone whose played, coached or really understands a little defensive strategy can help me with this ...
**Why does our defense REPEATEDLY get beaten to the edges and/or why do the edges of our defenses constantly get caved in game after game? **

This happened like a HS team last season, and we are doing it again UO, UF and WKU to a lesser extent exploited us here. Last season it happened every single game. I don't remember Wilcox's D having this happen epidemically.

Is it scheme? Is it talent? Are our corners / safeties not doing there jobs? Help.
 
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Nice summary. It really is.

Now, I have a serious question. I nearly started a thread, but it would just get buried among the meltdown threads. :) Since you alluded to this, I'll just put it in here.

Here's the Q. Hopefully someone whose played, coached or really understands a little defensive strategy can help me with this ...
**Why does our defense REPEATEDLY get beaten to the edges and/or why do the edges of our defenses constantly get caved in game after game? **

This happened like a HS team last season, and we are doing it again UO, UF and WKU to a lesser extent exploited us here. Last season it happened every single game. I don't remember Wilcox's D having this happen epidemically.

Is it scheme? Is it talent? Are our corners / safeties not doing there jobs? Help.

I am going to go with talent.

Our starting DEs have underwhelmed for four years and there isn't much speed in the back 7 to get to the corner.
 
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Nice summary. It really is.

Now, I have a serious question. I nearly started a thread, but it would just get buried among the meltdown threads. :) Since you alluded to this, I'll just put it in here.

Here's the Q. Hopefully someone whose played, coached or really understands a little defensive strategy can help me with this ...
**Why does our defense REPEATEDLY get beaten to the edges and/or why do the edges of our defenses constantly get caved in game after game? **

This happened like a HS team last season, and we are doing it again UO, UF and WKU to a lesser extent exploited us here. Last season it happened every single game. I don't remember Wilcox's D having this happen epidemically.

Is it scheme? Is it talent? Are our corners / safeties not doing there jobs? Help.

Mostly scheme, look at first TD of third qtr. Before ball was snapped my wife says we need someone on outside or they score. LB was a good 2 yards inside DE very poor scheme. Trey Burton's 80 yard TD run last year same thing.

Having coached def myself and having attended several games the last 3 years we pick odd times to read and react instead of being aggressive and forcing the issue.
 
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When Fulmer failed to turn it around and was rightly fired, UT entered a cycle that programs go through. Bama, USC, Texas, tOSU, UGA, etc have done it. After a successful coach leaves, programs go through a series of coaches until they find the right one at the right time. Sometimes it only takes one or two changes... sometimes several.

This is one of the reasons I refuse to be sucked into the "Butch is definitely the guy" mentality. He may not be. He definitely did not inherit an "ideal" situation.

It is very difficult to stomach.

And that is a very rational viewpoint. I just wish that every knee jerk reaction is not given credence. Give ***** his 3 or 4 years.
 

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