Good point on the radio last night. Pay up and hire a really GOOD coach

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Bama did it. Miles keeps getting paid! Uf will always pay their coaching staff! To get a good coach you have to look 3.5 and up range. Also you have to be ready to pay top 3 salary range for assistants. It pays off. Any business man knows that. We can't keep paying 2 mill for a so so coach and give him a small budget to get lower tier coaches in here. We need the coordinators like Dan Mullen used to be, Charlie Strong used to be, Jimbo FIsher used to be. etc, etc. Give the program the tools to succeed. It's obvious this isn't going to work. Maybe Hart will change this.
 
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Que the Doolanders that reference our 4 million deficit last year - ignoring the fact that the Fulmer buyout was funded by donors as will the Dooley one - when they want him out they start writing big checks to make it happen.
 
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Same thing we did hiring kiffin and band of big name assistants. That turned out well. So creative. Vol fans equal knee jerk. Patience is a virtue and something we lack.
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CaptDoDo said:
Same thing we did hiring kiffin and band of big name assistants. That turned out well. So creative. Vol fans equal knee jerk. Patience is a virtue and something we lack.
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They would have been successful had they stayed - unfortunately for us a better job that he had connections to came open.
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
They would have been successful had they stayed - unfortunately for us a better job that he had connections to came open.
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if kiffin stayed we would be celebrating our 3rd win over uf. Bray would be WAY more developed. and the play calling would be tailored to our strengths. We would be a cocky 60 min team also. We beat everyone in the east that year except # uf with tebow. we would have been in atl at least twice. he was thought well enough to take over usc, which is a powerhouse program. it was a good hire just bad timing. but we need that kind of loaded staff again. YES!!
 
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The problem wasn't money last time. It was terible timing when Kiffin left. There were no "big name" coaches out there, and then when we threw 3 million at Muschamp, he laughed. No "big time" coach wanted to walk into this situation. One could argue that just letting Kippy being an interim and then getting a big coach could've happened, but I'm not exactly sure who would've came into that mess either. Dave Hart and the booster here will not low ball a HC if Dooley does ultimately fail this year.
 
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volberry said:
if kiffin stayed we would be celebrating our 3rd win over uf. Bray would be WAY more developed. and the play calling would be tailored to our strengths. We would be a cocky 60 min team also. We beat everyone in the east that year except # uf with tebow. we would have been in atl at least twice. he was thought well enough to take over usc, which is a powerhouse program. it was a good hire just bad timing. but we need that kind of loaded staff again. YES!!
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If Kiffin would have stayed we would be on probation.
 
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volberry said:
if kiffin stayed we would be celebrating our 3rd win over uf. Bray would be WAY more developed. and the play calling would be tailored to our strengths. We would be a cocky 60 min team also. We beat everyone in the east that year except # uf with tebow. we would have been in atl at least twice. he was thought well enough to take over usc, which is a powerhouse program. it was a good hire just bad timing. but we need that kind of loaded staff again. YES!!
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See all the players that never panned out from his recruiting class. Also understand that we'd be in a$$ deep trouble with the NCAA had he stayed.
 
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volsrule01 said:
If Kiffin would have stayed we would be on probation.
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Actually no - it was way more overblown that it turned out to be - anyone who actually took some time to follow up on that saw that rather just reading the posters who were so butthurt about Kiffin leaving so they used the investigation as a reason to be "happy" about him leaving town for a better program.. basically to try to remain prideful.
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
Actually no - it was way more overblown that it turned out to be - anyone who actually took some time to follow up on that saw that rather just reading the posters who were so butthurt about Kiffin leaving so they used the investigation as a reason to be "happy" about him leaving town for a better program.. basically to try to remain prideful.
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rbell said:
See all the players that never panned out from his recruiting class. Also understand that we'd be in a$$ deep trouble with the NCAA had he stayed.
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Like this guy for example.
 
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tvols75 said:
The problem wasn't money last time. It was terible timing when Kiffin left. There were no "big name" coaches out there, and then when we threw 3 million at Muschamp, he laughed. No "big time" coach wanted to walk into this situation. One could argue that just letting Kippy being an interim and then getting a big coach could've happened, but I'm not exactly sure who would've came into that mess either. Dave Hart and the booster here will not low ball a HC if Dooley does ultimately fail this year.
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this job isn't worth it unless you throw some serious cash out. and now why would a low tier coach take it knowing they wouldn't be able to build it up and ruin their reputation.
 
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volberry said:
this job isn't worth it unless you throw some serious cash out. and now why would a low tier coach take it knowing they wouldn't be able to build it up and ruin their reputation.
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There were literally 3 names mentioned before it went to Dooley. Muschamp, Medenhall, and Cutcliffe. Who else was there? Rumor has it we threw close to 3 million dollars at Muschamp, and he pretty much laughed. It was awful timing with NSD about two weeks away, a pathetic returning roster, and a program that lacked stability. No big time coach was jumping to leave their situation and come here.
 
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volsrule01 said:
If Kiffin would have stayed we would be on probation.
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True. Thats why we have to give DD another year. We don't have to buy him out and Hart knows it. As long as DD gets 8 he stays. For those of us that didn't buy the hype and realize 9 wins is a great year for us that just fine.
 
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volberry said:
Bama did it. Miles keeps getting paid! Uf will always pay their coaching staff! To get a good coach you have to look 3.5 and up range. Also you have to be ready to pay top 3 salary range for assistants. It pays off. Any business man knows that. We can't keep paying 2 mill for a so so coach and give him a small budget to get lower tier coaches in here. We need the coordinators like Dan Mullen used to be, Charlie Strong used to be, Jimbo FIsher used to be. etc, etc. Give the program the tools to succeed. It's obvious this isn't going to work. Maybe Hart will change this.
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We payed Lane Kiffin,Monte Kiffin,Ed O and the other coaches a ton of money and that worked out great didn't it?
 
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tvols75 said:
There were literally 3 names mentioned before it went to Dooley. Muschamp, Medenhall, and Cutcliffe. Who else was there? Rumor has it we threw close to 3 million dollars at Muschamp, and he pretty much laughed. It was awful timing with NSD about two weeks away, a pathetic returning roster, and a program that lacked stability. No big time coach was jumping to leave their situation and come here.
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exactly. there is something else under the surface that they feel can't be changed. anybody have a clue what that is?
 
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volberry said:
if kiffin stayed we would be celebrating our 3rd win over uf. Bray would be WAY more developed. and the play calling would be tailored to our strengths. We would be a cocky 60 min team also. We beat everyone in the east that year except # uf with tebow. we would have been in atl at least twice. he was thought well enough to take over usc, which is a powerhouse program. it was a good hire just bad timing. but we need that kind of loaded staff again. YES!!
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Everyone in the East that year went 6-6 or 7-5 except for UF...... Kiffin just lost again to an inferior team, he does it every year. We would be in a better situation, but that would be because the extra attrition of Kiffin leaving wouldn't have happened.
 
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volberry said:
Bama did it. Miles keeps getting paid! Uf will always pay their coaching staff! To get a good coach you have to look 3.5 and up range. Also you have to be ready to pay top 3 salary range for assistants. It pays off. Any business man knows that. We can't keep paying 2 mill for a so so coach and give him a small budget to get lower tier coaches in here. We need the coordinators like Dan Mullen used to be, Charlie Strong used to be, Jimbo FIsher used to be. etc, etc. Give the program the tools to succeed. It's obvious this isn't going to work. Maybe Hart will change this.
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For the last time, Hamilton was willing to open the check book, no one wanted the job. He opened the checkbook for Kiffin, and he would have done the same but no one would take it.
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
For the last time, Hamilton was willing to open the check book, no one wanted the job. He opened the checkbook for Kiffin, and he would have done the same but no one would take it.
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Do you even remember the names that were being thrown around? None of them were big time money guys - unless you think we should have to open the check book big to poach Air Force's coach. Muschamp was the only "big" name and even then I wouldn't consider him a big name.
 
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How did that work out for Kiffin last night? USC was far superior to Stanford as far as talent goes and had their arses handed to them. He has who most consider the best QB in the country, a WR corp that many feel is even better than ours (even before losing Darick), and one of the best RB's in the nation. Then on defense he has far more 4 and 5 star players than we do, but certain people want to say he could have coached us to a victory last night. This ish is laughable. Dooley may not be the answer, but please stop with the brokeback love for Lane Kiffin. That ish is making me sick.
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
Do you even remember the names that were being thrown around? None of them were big time money guys - unless you think we should have to open the check book big to poach Air Force's coach. Muschamp was the only "big" name and even then I wouldn't consider him a big name.
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That is pure speculation. They aren't going to let it get out because it looks bad on the university when the candidate turns down the job. How many people publicly turned down the USC job? Interviews and interest is done secretly. The people we read about were the only coaches would even entertain the idea.
 
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