GOP fractures widening ....

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isn't cnn one step above the DNC? you libs are hoping they'll be some type of fracture because of religion. why do you guys hate religious politicians?
 
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joevol320 said:
isn't cnn one step above the DNC? you libs are hoping they'll be some type of fracture because of religion. why do you guys hate religious politicians?
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Ummmm.... did you read the article? Its not the Dems who have a problem with Romney's Mormonism, its the far right Christian Evangelical types that do.

A number of polls have shown that these voters do not view Mormonism as a legitimate religion and definitely not a branch of Christianity. If you don't appreciate that this is a significant problem for some in the GOP base, then you are simply ignoring the reality of the situation.

I mean, we are talking about Iowa here, not a more enlightened conservative crowd that is dominated by policy types. Romney's Mormonism would certainly matter least, say, in the New York or the California Republican primaries. But in places like Iowa, South Carolina, Mississippi, it matters quite a bit.
 
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It apparently hasn't occured to the OP that the guy in the White House is so bad that the GOP literally thinks that no matter who they end up nominating they will defeat Barack. Therefore, you have people all over the party split between who they want because they know their going to win.

Please come back and tell us after the GOP has selected their candidate how dysfunctional they are.
 
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VOLinthaATL said:
It apparently hasn't occured to the OP that the guy in the White House is so bad that the GOP literally thinks that no matter who they end up nominating they will defeat Barack. Therefore, you have people all over the party split between who they want because they know their going to win.

Please come back and tell us after the GOP has selected their candidate how dysfunctional they are.
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I am sure that there are some people within the GOP who think they cannot possibly lose to Obama, no matter who they nominate.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I am sure that there are some people within the GOP who think they cannot possibly lose to Obama, no matter who they nominate.
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Is this the reason that clowns like Cain, Perry, and Bachman are even still involved in the race?
 
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therealUT said:
Is this the reason that clowns like Cain, Perry, and Bachman are even still involved in the race?
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I assume that it is a major motivating factor. I mean, if the GOP nominee has a 100 % chance of winning the general, and you figure your chances of winning the nomination are even just 1 out of 7, then by definition you have a 1/7 chance to be POTUS.



VOLinthaATL said:
I'm sure there are MANY people within the GOP that think this.
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Ok, many. Whatever.
 
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The independents are the most important. Will they take the Conservobama in Romney, or stick with the real thing is the question.
 
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LG once again gravitating to other liberals who tell him what he wants to hear. The GOP IS fractured... who ever denied that. For every one person who has a problem with Romney's religion there are 20+ who don't trust him because his words do not match his record... at all.

The fracture is simple and it isn't the one that LG wants it to be. It is between the conservative/libertarian and Progressive/big gov't/country club factions. The sooner the second group which comprises the minority just takes its ball on over to the Dems... the sooner we'll stop getting faux choices like Romney, McCain, Bush, etc.
 
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VOLinthaATL said:
It apparently hasn't occured to the OP that the guy in the White House is so bad that the GOP literally thinks that no matter who they end up nominating they will defeat Barack. Therefore, you have people all over the party split between who they want because they know their going to win.

Please come back and tell us after the GOP has selected their candidate how dysfunctional they are.
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This election's going to be a lot closer than many supporters on both sides think.
 
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sjt18 said:
It could end up a landslide against Obama. The election will be a referendum on him and his policies. However I suspect you are right.
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Of course there's a possibility of a landslide going either way (it could be in Obama's favor if the GOP can't get behind one candidate sometime soon).
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Of course there's a possibility of a landslide going either way (it could be in Obama's favor if the GOP can't get behind one candidate sometime soon).
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That is the most likely outcome, I'm afraid. Obama could still get ~45% of the popular vote, but could probably get an over whelming number of the electoral votes.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Of course there's a possibility of a landslide going either way (it could be in Obama's favor if the GOP can't get behind one candidate sometime soon).
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I don't suspect a landslide for him unless by some miracle the world economic mess pulls us out of this malaise... or he agrees to something akin to the Ryan or Penney plans. Otherwise, we are probably still looking at people being ticked off because of high unemployment, bail outs, Obamacare, etc. He is a devoted Keynesian, big gov't believer... and those solutions fail. I believe he is truly befuddled by the failure of his economic policies.
 
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sjt18 said:
I don't suspect a landslide for him unless by some miracle the world economic mess pulls us out of this malaise... or he agrees to something akin to the Ryan or Penney plans. Otherwise, we are probably still looking at people being ticked off because of high unemployment, bail outs, Obamacare, etc. He is a devoted Keynesian, big gov't believer... and those solutions fail. I believe he is truly befuddled by the failure of his economic policies.
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You have to remember that 99% of America doesn't put as much thought in their vote as you do.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
That is the most likely outcome, I'm afraid. Obama could still get ~45% of the popular vote, but could probably get an over whelming number of the electoral votes.
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I personally think the electoral college is a problem for him. He is way behind in states that carried him over in 08.

Right now it doesn't look like he can win states like NC, VA, FL, etc again.

If the GOP campaign is competent (which is NEVER a guarantee) then he'll be on the defensive in even blue states making it difficult to win in purple states like OH, PA, WI, CO.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
You have to remember that 99% of America doesn't put as much thought in their vote as you do.
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Unfortunately you are right... but that is exactly the reason I believe he has an uphill climb. Economic conditions are bad. I run into people who are gov't dependents who are diehard against the guy. They have decided to vote against him and their minds are closed. These are people who did not vote for McCain.

Contrary to LG... yes I know the shaky ground that puts me on... I think the most electable guy in the field right now is Newt. He has baggage but a debate between him and Obama would probably be embarrassingly lopsided. He has worked pretty hard to re-craft his "mean and nasty" image. Notice a couple of things he did in the debates. He defended ALL of the candidates from "biased" moderators. He also stood out like the adult when the others went after each other.

He is portraying a "kinder, gentler" Newt... but is likely still the same master politician that will know exactly how to hit Obama where it hurts most. Out of the whole field... he is the one who could most likely run against Obama and the MSM... and make it work.

I still believe Romney has the worst chance of beating Obama. There isn't enough of a difference. It would become a popularity contest based on things other than policy... even I don't "like" Romney more than Obama.
 
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The fact that the far right evangelical types don't like that he is mormon is yet more proof religion blinds people to rational decisions.

He's the best candidate to beat Obama in a general election. If he wasn't mormon, I think they would swallow his healthcare history and get behind him. I suspect a lot of moderates and independents would lean his way in a general election.
 
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rjd970 said:
If he wasn't mormon, I think they would swallow his healthcare history and get behind him.
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There are some for whom his religion is a problem. Then there are those like me who would ultimately vote for him, but not before trying to figure out another option.
 
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