GOP fracturing?

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The Tea Party has effectively cost the GOP any chance to win back the Senate and established GOP leaders are starting to snipe at the Tea Party wing of the Republican Party.


(CNN) - Sarah Palin has a message for former top Bush aide Karl Rove: "Buck up."

Palin sent her message to Rove Wednesday on Fox News, after he expressed the doubt that Delaware Republican Senate nominee Christine O'Donnell does not "evince the characteristics of rectitude and sincerity and character that the voters are looking for."

"Well, bless his heart," Palin said. "We love our friends, they're in the machine, the expert politicos. But my message to those who say that the GOP nominee is not electable, or that they're not even going to try, well I say, buck up!"

Rove, on Tuesday, also said that O'Donnell had made some "nutty" statements prior to her victory.


Questions.

1. How serious is the split? I'd say that given that Palin showed up to campaign for O'Donnell and that her win is viewed within the GOP as deleterious and that she's kind of nutty, its a serious problem. Especially when Palin snaps back at Rove.

2. Can it be overcome? I think we will see a tenuous alliance form between the extreme right (TPers) and the mainstream GOP. But it will be tense, much like McCain and Palin were. Basically that relationship on a more widespread scale.

3. What is (are) the root cause(s) of this? My impression is that the values oriented wing of the party has had it with the business end. They are tired of things like abortion and other traditional conservative social policy issues always being sacrificed for the sake of the party elite gaining power for purely economic interests. The Palin-Beck-TP wing of the GOP feels disrespected and they are coming after the mainstream Republicans by championing their own values-oriented conservatives.
 
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GOP version of Al Franken. Only the Dems welcomed him with open arms
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I love the deflection. His party's ratings are in the tank and he talks about the other party's squabbles. Hey, LG, I think the Dems have already fractured. Note everyone running AGAINST Obama - even the Dems. Oh, and lovely new symbol. We went from O to D now. Cute.
 
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was Lieberman's election a sign the Dems were fracturing? Just because they don't agree on one candidate doesn't mean it's over
 
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who's fracturing? Apparently it's solidarity on the dem side, where a large group are now calling for across the board tax cuts. Buying votes is apparently universal.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Questions.

1. How serious is the split? I'd say that given that Palin showed up to campaign for O'Donnell and that her win is viewed within the GOP as deleterious and that she's kind of nutty, its a serious problem. Especially when Palin snaps back at Rove.
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Who knows. The better question is which GOP establishment guys will end up on the wrong side of the divide. The TP isn't extreme like you libs like to think... and report. The TP is a VERY mainstream, Main Street, grass roots movement.

You say she's "nutty" but your lib favorites to include Obama have made far more "nutty" statements. Rove made Bush president for heaven's sake...

2. Can it be overcome? I think we will see a tenuous alliance form between the extreme right (TPers) and the mainstream GOP. But it will be tense, much like McCain and Palin were. Basically that relationship on a more widespread scale.
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Please name one thing "extreme" about the TP ideals. Just one. The liberal media has tried to marginalize and isolate them by calling them "extreme" because they know the gullible will add their own opinions about what that means without actually checking the facts. Toss in a few dishonest accusations of racism... and you've got your Goebbels solution in a can.

The TP in a nutshell wants a smaller gov't that taxes and intrudes less. It wants a restoration of basic constitutional rights to include property and religious rights. Sorry to disappoint you LG... but that is VERY mainstream.

3. What is (are) the root cause(s) of this? My impression is that the values oriented wing of the party has had it with the business end. They are tired of things like abortion and other traditional conservative social policy issues always being sacrificed for the sake of the party elite gaining power for purely economic interests. The Palin-Beck-TP wing of the GOP feels disrespected and they are coming after the mainstream Republicans by championing their own values-oriented conservatives.
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No. You are way, way off. The root cause is that many have realized that Republicans talk conservative and govern liberal-lite. It isn't just social conservative principles that have been tossed. Bush EXPANDED the welfare state. He spent like a drunken sailor. The GOP in Congress betrayed principle again and again on both social and economic issues.

The TP exists largely because many of us Reagan conservative/libertarians no longer trust the GOP and much less the Dems.
 
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Republicans are fracturing dhimmicrats one bone at a time!!




Arclight said:
Who watches CNN? L-O-S-E-R-S
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:good!:


How right you are, to even view or read their crap makes me sick to my stomach, the last time I was in the headquarters of the Communist News Network in Atlanta they were giving out free beer, something about the atmosphere of the place just made the hair on the back of my neck stand up.

I took about two sips of beer and just set my cup down and walked out, I couldn't even stand to be there, just plain weird.
 
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sjt18 said:
Who knows. The better question is which GOP establishment guys will end up on the wrong side of the divide. The TP isn't extreme like you libs like to think... and report. The TP is a VERY mainstream, Main Street, grass roots movement.

You say she's "nutty" but your lib favorites to include Obama have made far more "nutty" statements. Rove made Bush president for heaven's sake...

Please name one thing "extreme" about the TP ideals. Just one. The liberal media has tried to marginalize and isolate them by calling them "extreme" because they know the gullible will add their own opinions about what that means without actually checking the facts. Toss in a few dishonest accusations of racism... and you've got your Goebbels solution in a can.

The TP in a nutshell wants a smaller gov't that taxes and intrudes less. It wants a restoration of basic constitutional rights to include property and religious rights. Sorry to disappoint you LG... but that is VERY mainstream.



No. You are way, way off. The root cause is that many have realized that Republicans talk conservative and govern liberal-lite. It isn't just social conservative principles that have been tossed. Bush EXPANDED the welfare state. He spent like a drunken sailor. The GOP in Congress betrayed principle again and again on both social and economic issues.

The TP exists largely because many of us Reagan conservative/libertarians no longer trust the GOP and much less the Dems.
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You'd do better just to hit him in the face with a shovel! He's about as open minded as a bowling ball. :)

Your last line does ring a bell with me though.

The last time the RNC gave me a fund raising call was in the run up to the 2006 elections.

There as a nice sounding young lady making the call and no doubt she was good looking but I told her don't expect any contribution from me, evidently they took me off their list.

Even though I was seething, I kept my emotions under control and didn't use any foul language as I informed her just why I wasn't about to send any money to the RNC.

One thing I remember was that the RNC supported rino liberal Lincoln Chaffee in RI instead of a real republican and conservative in the primary.

As it turned out the repubs lost the seat to a dhimmi and as a parting shot Chafee blocked passage of something Bush wanted to pass before he lost the repub majority. Brilliant work by the RNC.

Here is a link to a group that's not necessarily Tea Party but nontheless is worth consideration and is gaining national momentum;

BlowOutCongress.com - Taking Our Country Back One Incumbent at a Time

Sadly, the American Congress, in both the House and Senate, has taken extraordinary steps during our modern history to ensure that her members are virtually insulated as incumbents -- almost impossible to defeat once in office.

Congress has also created a system of seniority, where members are awarded powerful committee leadership positions on the basis of longevity, rather than ability.

The result of these actions is that America is wounded politically, morally, and in recent years, financially.

By any credible measure, including independent polling, voting trends, and the dramatically increased involvement of American citizens in the political process, the United States Congress is consistently identified as an utter institutional failure by the American people.

It is a rare day in America today when a new tale of corruption, greed, incompetence, moral failure or ethical breaches from Congress members does not splash across the news.
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CSpindizzy said:
I love the deflection. His party's ratings are in the tank and he talks about the other party's squabbles. .
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He's just following the other lemmings.

It is the new tack and talking points for the left wing. Demonize the leaders. Create the impression of abnormal division... with Dems they call it "diversity". And above all else mis-define and discredit the Tea Party.

Their problem will probably be that the TP has some 20 million people who have taken part actively in some form. Those 20 million easily represent the views of 4 to 5 times that number... and they talk to their friends. Most trust their friends more than anyone on CNN, MSNBC, or the Huffington Post.
 
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This all the while the liberals sit in a big circle trying to figure out if the Bush tax cuts go full renewal or jack it up for the rich. Talk about fracture....even Pelosi cannot give a straight answer. The WH hired some top spin pollsters to craft results showing more people want the rich to pay more - all of this to hopefully convince the doubting members of the Caucus to go out on a limb in election year to tax the rich. While the Tea Party has a fracture in the public eye, the Dems are shredding themselves as Rome burns.
 
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It is outstanding news the GOP is fracturing............... now I might be able to vote for the GOP again.

I got sick of only having democrats to vote for.
 
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