Great Article On Zook

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It's that part about Florida and LSU I don't agree with, but the rest of it is a damn good article by none other than Dennis Dodd. There is one point I LOVE, infact I may add it to my signature.....

CHICAGO -- Ron Zook knows his place in college football history. One of the most famous URLs in college football history is still only a couple of keystrokes away.


Ron Zook brings a .621 winning percentage to Illinois after guiding the Gators to 7-4 in his final season. (Getty Images)
fireronzook.com

"I took off from New Orleans, and before I landed in Gainesville, they had that," Zook said reminiscing (sort of) Monday at the Big Ten preseason media days. "(Pittsburgh Steelers coach) Bill Cowher told me, 'Man, you screwed this game up. Now everybody has 'Fire Bill Cowher.'

"I said that's my legacy to coaching."

Pretty much. For now. The infamous website now exists only to proclaim "VICTORY" in huge headline type through a doctored front page. Dwight Eisenhower is smiling out from a picture on A1, as if to suggest a battle of World War II proportions had been won.

The going-out-of business-sale for fireronzook.com gear ($9.99 for the thong panties, who knew?) is supposedly concluded. The site, in case you're wondering, supports the hiring of Urban Meyer and proclaims Saturdays are worth waking up for again, "with a Bloody Mary, of course."

Coaches have been fired, run out of town and disgraced, but seldom all three, and practically never with a .621 winning percentage.

Just so you know where this column is heading.

What could have been called ronzookfiresback.com debuted Monday -- Zook, the new Illinois coach, taking some not-so-veiled shots at his old employers. Which was great. It's about time. The guy who delivered more filibusters than big victories at Florida isn't a boob or a fool. He's merely the latest guy-to-follow-the-guy, that unfortunate cradle of coaches that counts Bill Guthridge, Gary Gibbs and Gene Bartow among its exclusive group.

In order, those three followed legends Dean Smith, Barry Switzer and John Wooden. Zook followed The OBC (Ol' Ball Coach), the Florida icon who won six SEC titles and a national championship. No, he wasn't athletic director Jeremy Foley's first choice. No, he had no head coaching experience. And yes, frz.com was literally fired up and running before he left the New Orleans Saints to touch down in Gainesville.

But ...

"What did you want me to do, tell them no?" Zook said.

Exactly. What would you do if a super-rich major-college power dumped its football program in your lap? Delivered you from life of assistant coach servitude? Gave you that one chance that 99 percent of coaches never get?

People say, 'Why would you follow Steve Spurrier?'" Zook said. "It's an opportunity."

Zook is approximately $4.5 million richer for having taken the plunge at Florida. He will make $1 million per year at a Big Ten school that won the conference title only four years ago. That's a million he never would have gotten had not Foley flipped through his Rolodex and finally found Zook to say yes.

The former coach in Champaign, Ron Turner, became the Illinois version of Zook at Florida -- a nice-guy former pro assistant who couldn't win enough.

Illinois has beaten exactly one I-A team since November 2002. It's probably staring up at another Big Ten title through about 10 other teams this year, but at least it's a job. Not a terrible one. A job he earned. Zook showed he can recruit with back-to-back top 10 classes at Florida.

It was inconsistency on the field that got him in trouble. But just think how Illini fans would react to a 7-4 record, Zook's final mark at Florida. Illinois has gone 9-26 since winning the league three years ago.

The difference? At Florida, Foley alone wanted Zook, at the time a no-name. At Illinois, they've just woken up from a magic Final Four run and are flattered. It's almost like, "Gee, we're able to get Florida's coach?"

"It's a lot easier when you stay positive, when the players hear some positive things instead of constantly negative things," Zook said. "That's why you hear so many positive things down there (in Florida) now. They're trying to spin it back the other way."

We've been waiting for The Zooker to say stuff like this since he was dumped by Florida on Oct. 25. You can't say the man screwed up Florida. The Gators are favored by some to win the SEC this year under Urban Meyer. Zook handed his replacement Heisman candidate Chris Leak at quarterback. The receivers might be the best in the country.

Make fun of him "failing" at Florida. Mock his landing at moribund Illinois. Now sit back and take some, Gator Nation.

"The expectation level is more in line with reality," Zook said of Illinois. "When we first went down there (Florida), the expectation level was not the same as the talent there. I think it's more in line with the talent level we're at now."

Translation: Spurrier didn't leave him much.

"It ain't going to get any better," Zook said of Florida.

Translation: There's a reason Florida is favored by some to win the SEC. The cupboard has been left full.

"He should be (favored)," he said of Meyer. "Them and LSU are probably the most talented teams in the SEC."

OK, OK, we get it. No translation needed. The man can still talk.

"I've got an athletic director, he understands the game of football. He was a coach. He played there, he coached there," Zook said of his new boss, Ron Guenther.

Translation: Foley turned against his coach only when it became obvious the tide had turned.

"Oh, Jiminy Christmas, overblown?" Zook said of the infamous confrontation with the Pi Kappa Phi fraternity two days before a loss to Tennessee. "I'll tell you exactly what happened. I don't want to say it on tape, but ..."

And so, off the record, Zook gushes about his frustration. How he was hung out to dry. How he had no idea it was like that in Gainesville. How he deserves some credit.

Yes, the firing was probably inevitable after the loss to Mississippi State. But no coach in recent history has twisted in the wind like this. Remember that Zook stayed after the firing, went 3-1 and walked into the sunset with his head high -- having helped wean Gator Nation off Spurrier.

Someone had to do it, fall on the visor, er, grenade. No one could live up to or live in Spurrier's shadow. That Zook did it with such class should be his true legacy.

 
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So, if I got the message Zookster is trying to get out, and I think I did; if Meyer doesn't win the SEC he SHOULD be run out of Gainesville on a stuffed Gator!!

I'd say that's pretty accurate.

I can't wait to see the look in Meyer's eye when he has linebackers taking the pitch from Leak in the SEC.

frieurbanmeyer.com has already been purchased.

I kid you not. As soon as they hired him I did a search of domain names and that one is no longer for sale. It said the site was in preparation state. hehe I just love football in the South.
 
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Zook knew exactly what it was like in G-ville, he was an asst. under SOS for many years.


And oldvol....they did an article on that, the site was purchased to make sure anyone who didnt like the Urban hire (all 2 of um) didnt go off and make the site.


Whats the quote you love beltway?
 
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It was a touch of class IMO, He stayed on to finish out the season.

I realize in most part it was for his players, whom had to hear this day in and out. Also maybe get himself recruited? (job)

If Meyer doesnt WIN ? What if UF lost to both Ga, and UT? Will he even get 3 years to build the program UF expects?
 
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Well..if he does have a zooklike first year, I think everyone will give him another chance, and think the first year he was just getting his feet wet in the SEC.
 
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GV, I think it will be tough on Meyer if he has a five loss season aka Zook. While I personally would give him the benefit of the doubt since it could take a couple of years, I am not sure that Florida fans are that patient. The expectations are pretty high for a first year coach.
 
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Zook's problem is that the talent he had should have won him 10 games, but he didn't make it happen. But, maybe he can manage to turn the Illini around.
 
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From all indications Meyer has zero leeway.

He has a great fan base. Everyone keeps glowing about how much talent he has. He's supposed to be the hottest young coach out there. If he doesn't win a minimum of 10 games then he has to be looked at as a colossal failure by Florida fans.

If you've got top 5 recruits, a full stadium, plenty of money and you don'e win at least 9 or 10 games then the only one left to point fingers at is the coach.

That's the SEC.
 
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"Well..if he does have a zooklike first year, I think everyone will give him another chance, and think the first year he was just getting his feet wet in the SEC."

If Bill Belichek took the job at florida you guys would give him around 2 years before it was off with his head...its not the record...ill agree i was less scared of you guys under Zook than Spurrier and granted Meyer gives that semi-intimidation factor to you guys but if you guys lose to us and georgia...cmon you dont actually see the fans saying oh its ok let him get his feet wet.....Meyer IS expected to come in sweep house and win or at least compete for the NC....I know that if Fulmer left and a coach had an 8-3 record the first year we would be all over him....its not just you guys i think its all of us.....i reflect on how spoiled we really are sometimes......Florida, tennessee, texas, N. Dame, FSU so many of us have won for so long that even a slide of a game or 2 drives us nuts and it does....mark my words: IF MEYER LOSES 3 GAMES HE'LL BE HEARING IT UNTIL FALL 2006
 
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No OldVol and TNFanBornandRaised.

Not all UF fans expect a trip to the rose bowl. And if it doesnt happen, we won be calling for his head. 9-10 wins and being in contention for ATL are our goals.
 
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I would hope they would give him the same grace period as they gave Ron. I suspect he well not need it, but even in the worse case senario, in my opinion, doesn't include a buble screen near the other team's enzone, or being outcoached consistantly in the fourth quarter. I can't imagine more than one five loss season in the next three years, but I don't see another Steve Spurrier either. Time will tell.
 
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And for all the beef UF fans get for fireronzook.com...look what I found.

http://firerandysanders.com/contents/home.asp


Hmmm, you guys bashed UF fans when you had one of your own??

My point is, not everyone wanted zook to go. It takes one ignorant fan, and the entire fanbase gets bashed. Gators will wait for Urban. If he has a zooklike first year, well still like him and what he does and what he stands for and how he coaches his team. To say all this about UF and how "if Meyer has an 8 win season, hes out after year 1", is garbage. Gator fans are very down to earth and realize how tough it is to win the Ntl. Title, and compete in the SEC.

Some of you guys, or even the Vol fanbase in general, may like randy sanders a lot, but because you have a website devoted to trying to get him fired, youre not patient, youre low class, youre idiotic. Something just doesnt make sense here?
 
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That's too funny. But there were only 2 posts in the last 2 months. One for a lost password, and another asking for the site to be shut down. Maybe not the same as FRZ, but thanks for the link.
 
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Yeah, it's funny what a couple of 10 win seasons will do for the traffic at a website like that.
 
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So. Regardless of the start date, the site has obviously lost the mighty mo. FRZ was mentioned on ESPN, PTI, and many many other football shows. I even remember a few commentators talking about it during a game. Had it not been for you, I am not sure anyone here would have known about it (FRS.com). I am not knocking your point, nor would I knock FRZ. I think the fans and alumni have a right to make their thoughts known.
 
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lol its well known among my friends what I think of Sanders..... But I will say its hard to argue with the success he has......i personally liked zook too i think zook is going to get the illini semi turned around... i dont think florida was a good fit for him at the time.....Here's something that might surprise ya gator.....Urban will have Florida back in the NC hunt no more than 2-3 years
 
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Originally posted by TNFanBornandRaised@Aug 2, 2005 7:17 PM
Here's something that might surprise ya gator.....Urban will have Florida back in the NC hunt no more than 2-3 years
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Prepare to get flamed for that. Believing that Urban will get any more than 7 wins next season around here is heresy.
 
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Well, youre one of the few vols that think that TNFanBornAndRaised. I believe it too, and I think he'll have the Gators in the SEC Title hunt as soon as this year. He's a much better fit for UF than Zook was.
 
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well he done an outstanding job at Utah i mean they were nothing until he got there...he seems to be an amazing recruiter (though thats not the main problem) I think kids actually wanna play for him.....I seen an article about how he disiplines his team.....I think Florida will get built into a NC contender in a few years.....yall are sitting on too much talent down there in the high schools in florida not to be contending every year lol
 
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i agree that meyer will probably have uf back in the nc hunt BUT if he tries to bring that spread option offense to the SEC like he had at utah then leak WILL NOT be durable enough to handle that because he will get hit way too often, yes, i konw he's fast but so are pretty much ALL the lb's in the SEC. but i have to believe that um is too smart to try to run that kind of offense in this league. i'm interested to see how he handles himself down here in a much tougher league.
 
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Originally posted by BeltwayVol@Aug 2, 2005 10:51 AM


"The expectation level is more in line with reality," Zook said of Illinois. "When we first went down there (Florida), the expectation level was not the same as the talent there. I think it's more in line with the talent level we're at now."

Translation: Spurrier didn't leave him much.

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Not much huh? Let me see...he returned the Heisman runner up that could have easily won it the previous season in Rex Grossman, Taylor Jacobs, Earnest Graham, Ben Troupe, and Aaron Walker to name a few on offense. And what did he do with this returning talent that avg'd 527.5 yds/gm, 43.8 pts game(2nd in nation), and the leading pass offense in the country with 405 yds/game??

The offense dropped to 25.8 pts/gm, 406.9 yds/gm, and passing to 270 yds/gm. The defense also went from #9 in the country to 25th.

Facts are Zook was left with plenty of talent and brought plenty of talent in during his tenure at UF. His top 5 and 10 recruiting classes only garnered him his highest season ending ranking of 22 and NR the other two seasons.

I could go on and on about this but Zook just didn't get the results with the talent and resources he had at UF. I wish him the best of luck at Illinois. Afterall 8-5 there will get a street named after him.
 

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