great column

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Were not making the final four so she is on the hot seat according to John Adams. In past seasons if she made the sweet sixteen or elite 8 that seemed to keep her off the hot seat. I am fine with her being on the hot seat going into next season. We need a huge season or a coaching change no more excuses.
 
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Yep...the honeymoon is definitely over...looks like some of those festering blisters on her backside will soon boil over...about time!
 
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It's about time somebody in the media started talking about it. Holly had better hope this #1 class she has coming in will make a difference. If not, she won't be the only coach they play for.
 
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I thought it was a pretty benign article for Adams. He's usually more of an "off with her head" kind of guy.
 
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So, the gist of the article is that time will tell and the team needs a deep run in the tournament or that Holly will be put on the 'hot seat."

Both points are true (not sure it really has to be a final four; an elite would probably suffice for the short term given the ballyhooed recruiting class). However, what did this article say that everyone does not already know?
 
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madtownvol said:
So, the gist of the article is that time will tell and the team needs a deep run in the tournament or that Holly will be put on the 'hot seat."

Both points are true (not sure it really has to be a final four; an elite would probably suffice for the short term given the ballyhooed recruiting class). However, what did this article say that everyone does not already know?
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It confirmed what some on this board and elsewhere have refused to recognize...very significant. Sunshine pumpers are decreasing in numbers.
 
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As many have said, numerous times, the reluctance to spend the kind of money that it would take to replace her with a candidate that wouldn't make diehard fans/donors angry will keep a change from happening -- no matter WHAT.

Think about it. Tennessee is paying Holly $550,000 (base) a year. Yes, that's a lot of money, but compared to the salaries of coaches at several other top programs, it's middle-of-the-road.

UT knows that replacing Holly will likely add at least a quarter-mil a year to their bottom line, and I honestly don't think anyone cares enough about the Lady Vols, sans Pat, to make that kind of financial commitment.

Holly, because of her lack of experience at head coach, was a godsend to Hart because he didn't have to explain why OUR head coach was earning a half-a-million dollars less than other top-program head coaches. No-one would argue that it was mean or awful or sexist to pay a first-time head coach $485,000 a year (Holly's original salary).

Holly was thrilled with the opportunity and with the idea of earning $485,000. But which other elite coaches at that time would have left her/his $750,000-plus jobs to take a pay cut to coach at Tennessee? Maybe some would have. We'll never know.
 
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Darth_Vol said:
It's about time someone in the local media started suggesting Holly's seat might be getting warm....

John Adams: Hot-and-cold Lady Vols could leave Holly Warlick on hot seat
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Holly was tuned out in that presser. Wasn't even listening to what Jordan and Mercedes were saying. She was too busy wrecking her brain about how is she going to explain yet another loss.

I feel sorry for her. She looks trapped but doesn't know how to get out. She definitely needs a nudge.

Just go Holly. Thanks. You tried. Appreciate you.

GOLadyVols!
 
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hokievol12 said:
It confirmed what some on this board and elsewhere have refused to recognize...very significant. Sunshine pumpers are decreasing in numbers.
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Right, all "the sunshine pumpers" who are saying how great it is that the LVs have lost 3 straight to lowly Bama, have 11 losses, and are going to be a low ranked seed.

What we have on this board are:

1. A very small number of posters who think that more of the blame lies on the players than the coach (and really we are talking a number you can counter on one hand).

The majority or split on these dimensions:

2. Fire Holly now and hire just about anyone else you can get.

3A. Holly has earned, based on her past record, more time to see how the LVs do with her incoming recruiting class. Most in this camp, envision a 2 year window to become a Final four caliber team or its over.

3B. Same basic idea but the argument is that for political and economic reasons, Holly will not be fired in the short term and she the recruiting class has bought her a two year window.

Adam's in suggesting that Holly will be on the hot seat unless the team has a great NCAA run, is clearly in one of the #3 camps.
 
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“We didn’t think we had to come out and play to the best of our ability because we came off a big win,” Reynolds said.

Pat Summitt would not have tolerated that attitude.

JMO from someone on the outside looking in, but I don't think Warlick demands 100% from her players 100% of the time the time.
 
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3C. Holly's contract will be fully executed, because it's the path of least resistance, WBB is a revenue-neutral sport and UT's new AD is a bottom-line guy.
 
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lvocd said:
As many have said, numerous times, the reluctance to spend the kind of money that it would take to replace her with a candidate that wouldn't make diehard fans/donors angry will keep a change from happening -- no matter WHAT.

Think about it. Tennessee is paying Holly $550,000 (base) a year. Yes, that's a lot of money, but compared to the salaries of coaches at several other top programs, it's middle-of-the-road.

UT knows that replacing Holly will likely add at least a quarter-mil a year to their bottom line, and I honestly don't think anyone cares enough about the Lady Vols, sans Pat, to make that kind of financial commitment.

Holly, because of her lack of experience at head coach, was a godsend to Hart because he didn't have to explain why OUR head coach was earning a half-a-million dollars less than other top-program head coaches. No-one would argue that it was mean or awful or sexist to pay a first-time head coach $485,000 a year (Holly's original salary).

Holly was thrilled with the opportunity and with the idea of earning $485,000. But which other elite coaches at that time would have left her/his $750,000-plus jobs to take a pay cut to coach at Tennessee? Maybe some would have. We'll never know.
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Non issue with the elite fundraiser now on board!
 
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LA Vol said:
3C. Holly's contract will be fully executed, because it's the path of least resistance, WBB is a revenue-neutral sport and UT's new AD is a bottom-line guy.
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I think a factor in the equation for Holly may also depend on John Currie and the administration's appetite to have new head coaches in multiple sports--especially 3 or more in the 5 main sports (football, bball, wbball, baseball, softball). If we are being fair there are multiple candidates for the first go round of terminations (I nominate Rob Patrick--4 years too late) and many way in line before Holly.

Thats the state of UT athletics--there are so many potential coaches to fire that we are talking about having to space them out so we don't have complete turnover all at one time. :thud:
 
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WVU05UT09 said:
I think a factor in the equation for Holly may also depend on John Currie and the administration's appetite to have new head coaches in multiple sports--especially 3 or more in the 5 main sports (football, bball, wbball, baseball, softball). If we are being fair there are multiple candidates for the first go round of terminations (I nominate Rob Patrick--4 years too late) and many way in line before Holly.

Thats the state of UT athletics--there are so many potential coaches to fire that we are talking about having to space them out so we don't have complete turnover all at one time. :thud:
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The only Tennessee sports I follow are women's basketball and softball. Are all the sports in as bad a shape or worse than women's basketball??

The funny thing is, I see all these references to the football coach needing to be fired, and I thought they won nine or ten games or something. And then I see all these other references to why doesn't Holly go talk to the men's basketball coach, and last time I checked the men's basketball team was under .500. Strange.
 
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LVJeff said:
The only Tennessee sports I follow are women's basketball and softball. Are all the sports in as bad a shape or worse than women's basketball??

The funny thing is, I see all these references to the football coach needing to be fired, and I thought they won nine or ten games or something. And then I see all these other references to why doesn't Holly go talk to the men's basketball coach, and last time I checked the men's basketball team was under .500. Strange.
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Probably because football and women's basketball used to be top programs, whereas the perception with men's basketball was that they were overachieving with a fairly pedestrian roster. Expectations for men's basketball are way lower.
 
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LVJeff said:
The only Tennessee sports I follow are women's basketball and softball. Are all the sports in as bad a shape or worse than women's basketball??

The funny thing is, I see all these references to the football coach needing to be fired, and I thought they won nine or ten games or something. And then I see all these other references to why doesn't Holly go talk to the men's basketball coach, and last time I checked the men's basketball team was under .500. Strange.
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I haven't seen any references to firing Butch Jones this year. The discussions I've seen have centered around both FB and WBB failing to meet expectations with seasoned HCs. Rick Barnes is only two years OTJ and playing freshmen. Holly and Butch are 5 and 4 years in and underachieving with experienced players. All three marquee sports are midpack SEC, and UT expects better.
 
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brassie said:
“We didn’t think we had to come out and play to the best of our ability because we came off a big win,” Reynolds said.

Pat Summitt would not have tolerated that attitude.

JMO from someone on the outside looking in, but I don't think Warlick demands 100% from her players 100% of the time the time.
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I hate that the team feels like this was their loss. It wasn't.

They WERE playing like crap for the first 2 qtrs, yes, but then they went on a run and opened a 10 pt lead.

A coach has to protect such a lead, later in a game. Keeping your timeouts to finish the games, tells your kids, that you are going to wait until the end of the game to fight...If they get that feeling, don't you expect it to radiate on the court too...They start thinking "We will have to wait for the end of the game to fight too".

And they did just that. They endured a 16-2 run with no stoppages except a TV timeout and had to fight like heck at the end of the game... By that time, they were confused, erratic and scared out there...What do you expect out of a bunch of 18-22 year old kids? You don't "wait for a child to crash their car and then tell him they SHOULD HAVE slowed down,,,You pull the emergency brake up, knock them out of the drivers seat, get in their grill and let those in the back seat know that if things persist, they will need to be ready to drive the car.


T.J. said:
Holly was tuned out in that presser. Wasn't even listening to what Jordan and Mercedes were saying. She was too busy wrecking her brain about how is she going to explain yet another loss.

I feel sorry for her. She looks trapped but doesn't know how to get out. She definitely needs a nudge.

Just go Holly. Thanks. You tried. Appreciate you.

GOLadyVols!
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That nudge she needed,,,needed to come in that third third quarter where, after establishing a 10 pt lead, we got outscored, 16-2...It needed to come from her bench.
 
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LA Vol said:
I haven't seen any references to firing Butch Jones this year...
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Really?

This was posted by you:

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Gonna be tough for Currie to figure out who to fire. The HCs in UT's top three revenue sports have had one embarrassing loss after another this year. Fans are tired of watching UT choke away winnable games against less talented teams. Might as well line up the hot seats and draw rocks to see who survives.
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Coach Jumper said:
I hate that the team feels like this was their loss. It wasn't.

They WERE playing like crap for the first 2 qtrs, yes, but then they went on a run and opened a 10 pt lead.

A coach has to protect such a lead, later in a game. Keeping your timeouts to finish the games, tells your kids, that you are going to wait until the end of the game to fight...If they get that feeling, don't you expect it to radiate on the court too...They start thinking "We will have to wait for the end of the game to fight too".

And they did just that. They endured a 16-2 run with no stoppages except a TV timeout and had to fight like heck at the end of the game... By that time, they were confused, erratic and scared out there...What do you expect out of a bunch of 18-22 year old kids? You don't "wait for a child to crash their car and then tell him they SHOULD HAVE slowed down,,,You pull the emergency brake up, knock them out of the drivers seat, get in their grill and let those in the back seat know that if things persist, they will need to be ready to drive the car.





That nudge she needed,,,needed to come in that third third quarter where, after establishing a 10 pt lead, we got outscored, 16-2...It needed to come from her bench.
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The nudge reference was to her being canned from the job. She's holding onto the rails. Somebody needs to pull her fingers away.

Discussing Holly coaching ability is void at this point.

She can't coach. :)
 
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