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[gorockytop101]

Merkel says German multi-cultural society has failed - Yahoo! News

Just think it's interesting how the same arguments spring up in different parts of world.

 

[gsvol]

Merkel says German multi-cultural society has failed - Yahoo! News

Just think it's interesting how the same arguments spring up in different parts of world.

Actually it's rare to see such candidness from a high ranking politician.

I have no real problem with multi-culturalism, I think that's great but when you have a guest culture bent on the destruction and domination of a host culture, especially when that host culture is my own, then I have a big assed problem.

Most of those who don't have any problem just aren't willing to examine the facts.

For those who accuse me of hate speech I say:

MAGNA EXT VERITAS, ET PREVALEBIT!

"We cannot play innocents abroad in a world that is not innocent"
Ronald Reagan

 

[tvolsfan]

Germans have become pretty tolerant post World War II. If they're saying things like this, there is probably a good reason for it. I'm not sure i agree with 100% of what Chancellor Merkel says, but I agree with the sentiment and like that she says what she believes.

No one have any opinion on this?

 

[tvolsfan]

Bump. It looks like not many people have read this, but I find her comments on this issue very interesting.

 

[droski]

when i was in italy they had very similar complaints about the muslim immigrants.

 

[tvolsfan]

when i was in italy they had very similar complaints about the muslim immigrants.

The Italians and Spanish have far more racism issues than Germany. I find this pretty surprising, but I like the idea that people actually assimilating instead of letting Germany a combination of separate mini-cultures.

 

[droski]

while i'm sure there is an element of racism. their primary complaints were the education levels and the crime brought in by these immigrants and that seems to be fairly accurate.

 

[tvolsfan]

while i'm sure there is an element of racism. their primary complaints were the education levels and the crime brought in by these immigrants and that seems to be fairly accurate.

Seems familiar. It would be a nice to have a leader who actually puts the citizens before people who just move into the country and cause problems, especially those that move in illegally.

 

[gsvol]

Bump. It looks like not many people have read this, but I find her comments on this issue very interesting.

I just listened to some soundbites from her speech.

She said that 2 out of every 3 children age 5 and under have a migrant background.

She proposed some remedies, make it mandatory that immigrants and their families learn the German language and that they abide by German law and not the legal system they bring with them.

I think we all know why the Germans have the problem they do, whether we admit it or not.

Their immigrants have come mostly from Turkey, are muslims and have no intention of assimilating into German society.

Political Islam // Articles // Introduction

The scientific method is a new way to study Islam. Analysis shows that Islam is both a religion and a political system and that the political system is the greatest part of Islamic doctrine.
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This course is based upon Five principles of political Islam. When you understand these principles, you will be able to use them to educate and persuade others.

Most non-muslims who support islam don't know much about islam, if they did they would cease defending islam immediately!

America is experiencing the same problem, no matter how Obama and establishment elitists falsely portray islam and it's history, we will at some point have to deal with that problem or wave bye bye to our heritage and traditions.

A good example is that the US federal government has doled out over $40 million to charter schools that teach and preach the revival of the ottoman empire which was and is meant to be a worldwide political system that is subject to the decisions of one caliphate.

That just doesn't make any sense whatsoever, no matter how you look at it.

 

[tvolsfan]

Please don't turn this into an anti-Muslim debate. And immigrant Turks make up about 2 percent of the population, while over 80% of the country are German citizens with no immigrant background.

 

[gsvol]

when i was in italy they had very similar complaints about the muslim immigrants.

When I was in Italy, and I was there for a year and a half, I never saw any muslims.

This coordinated effort is an almost worldwide phenomenon that has happened over the past half century. Some scholars with a great deal of historical knowledge call this the 'third jihad."

The Immigration Jihad - Gates of Vienna Battle, Islam Now Inside the Gates of Vienna | EuropeNews

Several hundred years ago when the forces of Islam wanted to capture Vienna, they came with the sword and the cannon and laid siege to the city walls. Today they simply take a plane.

While Vienna was able to resist repeated sieges, it was not able to resist Islamic immigration, and as a result the city looks a good deal more the way it would have had it fallen to an actual siege.

Today as much as a third of Vienna is of foreign origin. And as many as 50 percent of Viennese schoolchildren have a non-German language as their mother tongue.
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But like any takeover in which the enemy is allowed inside the gates, it could not happen without the active collaboration of those on the inside. And they have their various motivations. Left of center politicians and parties often expect that Muslim immigrants will serve as a reliable voting base for them, and they are correct about that—in the short term.

MUAMMAR QADDAFI: “ISLAM SHOULD BECOME THE RELIGION OF ALL EUROPE”…..THAT’S OUR MAN IN TRIPOLI | RUTHFULLY YOURS

At a recent meeting with Italian Premier Silvio Berlusconi, Libyan leader Muammar Gadhafi said Islam should “become the religion of all Europe,” reflecting the reality of increased Islamic immigration and declining European birth rates.

“Tomorrow Europe might no longer be European, as there are millions who want to come in,” Gadhafi said. “We don’t know if Europe will remain an advanced and united continent, or if it will be destroyed, as happened with the barbarian invasion.”

Gadhafi also added a racial analysis to his comments, saying, “Europe runs the risk of turning black from illegal immigration. It could turn into Africa.”

Gadhafi further suggested the European Union should pay Libya at least 5 billion euros ($6.3 billion) a year to stop illegal immigration and to prevent a “black Europe” from forming.

The Italians and Spanish have far more racism issues than Germany. I find this pretty surprising, but I like the idea that people actually assimilating instead of letting Germany a combination of separate mini-cultures.

Why do you call it an issue of racism??

Actually the same thing is happening all over Europe, the thing is that Merkal is the only head of state to speak up so far.

France for instance has 751+ designated areas that are forbidden for non-muslmis to enter.

In the Netherlands one legislator has been in the process defending himself against his own government's prosecution for over a year.

Dutch prosecutors ask for acquittal in hate crime case - CTV News

"I don't insult, I don't incite hate, I don't discriminate," he said outside the courtroom afterward. "The only thing I do, and will keep on doing, is speaking the truth."
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In her summation, prosecutor Birgit van Roessel said Wilders' statements were made as part of the public debate "about the immigration and integration of nonwestern foreigners, especially Muslims."

"Standpoints can vary considerably and emotions can run high, but ... it is a debate that it must be possible to have," she said.

In one example cited by prosecutors, Wilders wrote in a 2007 opinion piece: "I've had enough of Islam in the Netherlands; let not one more Muslim immigrate," and urged that the Qur'an be banned.

The prosecutors said that statement, like others, was within the legal bounds of public debate.

Please, please, please take the time to read 'political islam' in my reply to your bump!!

 

[gsvol]

Please don't turn this into an anti-Muslim debate. And immigrant Turks make up about 2 percent of the population, while over 80% of the country are German citizens with no immigrant background.

FYI, my thrust was anti-islam and not anti-muslim.

A subtle difference perhads but a very important difference.

Until you learn that islam is a competeing political system, there can be no meaningful debate, or even meaningful discussion.

I just heard Merkel say in a recording of her recent speech; "2 out of 3 children age 5 or younger are of migrant descent!"

That will equal 67% of the German population somewhere down the road.

In Kenya for instance they only have a 5% muslim population but two years ago that minority used 'muslim rage' into riots that killed thousands and made hundreds of thousands into refugees. As soon as their man was appointed Prime Minister they turned off their rage and ended the riots.

You can probably expect the same sort of strife in Nigeria this coming January if those elections don't go the way islamic strategists want them to go.

Plain Speaking is too much as ?Germany Self-destructs?

In Deutschland Schafft Sich Ab: Wie wir unser Land aufs Spiel setzen, or ‘Germany is Digging its Own Grave,’ or ‘Germany Self-destructs,’ German Bundesbank Board member Thilo Sarrazin argued that most of the country's immigrants could not be integrated into society and actually contributed nothing to it. He also blamed foreigners – mainly Germany's Muslim population – for "dumbing down" society. He said that the rate at which Muslim women were reproducing meant that Germans might soon become "strangers in their own country."
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‘His book said of Mohammedanism: “No other religion in Europe is so demanding of, and no other migration group depends so much on the social welfare state and is so much connected to criminality.”

 

[gsvol]

Please don't turn this into an anti-Muslim debate. And immigrant Turks make up about 2 percent of the population, while over 80% of the country are German citizens with no immigrant background.

In that case just how would you care to frame the debate??

 

[gsvol]