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“Even if (city officials) are saving hundreds of lives, they cannot ban (guns)?” Breyer asked skeptically at one point. He dissented in the 2008 decision.
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I wonder how well the law banning guns in Chicago has worked in curtailing violence there.

And isn't this the same basic argument used to support legislation like the Patriot Act?
 
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I'm fine with people having guns

my issues are with recent laws on stuff like....well, letting people have handguns when they go into bars....where they're going to be drunk, and become a whole lot less rational due to alcohol

that stuff
 
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TrueOrange said:
I'm fine with people having guns

my issues are with recent laws on stuff like....well, letting people have handguns when they go into bars....where they're going to be drunk, and become a whole lot less rational due to alcohol

that stuff
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It is against the law to drink if you are armed in such an establishment.
 
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TrueOrange said:
Didn't TN just pass a law a short while ago okaying guns while one's in bars and such?
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I am pretty sure the law did pass but individual bar owners can still post that no guns are allowed. But even the bars where you can carry guns it is illegal to drink while carrying.
 
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And again if you are drinking (however why else would you be in a bar?) you are not allowed to be "packing" at that point.
 
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TrueOrange said:
Didn't TN just pass a law a short while ago okaying guns while one's in bars and such?
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The law was passed so people, including me(PoPo), could carry in an establishment that serves alcohol. This included places like Chilis, O'Charleys, etc.. Regardless, you are bound by law not to carry a weapon and consume alcohol. You run the risk of having your permit revoked.
 
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volfanjustin said:
I am pretty sure the law did pass but individual bar owners can still post that no guns are allowed. But even the bars where you can carry guns it is illegal to drink while carrying.
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It's more convoluted than that. First, it is my understanding that the whole "guns in bars" thing is simply inaccurate and is actually at the heart of the debate. Short version is that a judge ruled the definitions used to delineate a "bar" (where carry would still be illegal) and a "restaurant" that happened to serve alcohol were simply too ambiguous. Is is also my understanding that the issue is being addressed and will most likely come back up with clearer set of definitions.

In any case in TN one cannot legally be consuming alcohol while carrying with a permit. It's interesting that some states actually allow that. I'm not certain that's a good idea but it hasn't led to a bunch of drunken shootings in those states either.
 
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As usual, there seems to be a lot of misinformation from both sides of the debate.

I just read the second amendment and use common sense after that. Too bad everybody can't.
 
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hndog609 said:
It's more convoluted than that. First, it is my understanding that the whole "guns in bars" thing is simply inaccurate and is actually at the heart of the debate. Short version is that a judge ruled the definitions used to delineate a "bar" (where carry would still be illegal) and a "restaurant" that happened to serve alcohol were simply too ambiguous. Is is also my understanding that the issue is being addressed and will most likely come back up with clearer set of definitions.

In any case in TN one cannot legally be consuming alcohol while carrying with a permit. It's interesting that some states actually allow that. I'm not certain that's a good idea but it hasn't led to a bunch of drunken shootings in those states either.
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As I recall, if an establishment ONLY serves alcohol (no food), then the law doesn't apply. The name of the bill should have been "Restaurant carry", but was known as "Bar carry" for political reasons.
 
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Vol_4_Life said:
I wonder how well the law banning guns in Chicago has worked in curtailing violence there.

And isn't this the same basic argument used to support legislation like the Patriot Act?
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Murders dropped by about 25% in Washington DC after their ridiculous unconstitional no gun law was overturned.


TrueOrange said:
Didn't TN just pass a law a short while ago okaying guns while one's in bars and such?
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In restaurants that serve both food and alchohol.

Did you have any problem with tobacco being outlawed in all establishments that serve food, even if they had a seperate no smoking area??

If you don't think it's a good idea to carry in an establishment that serves alcohol what do you think of carrying in a coffee house?? After all the caffiene do you think people get nervous and jittery??

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CountVolcula said:
The law was passed so people, including me(PoPo), could carry in an establishment that serves alcohol. This included places like Chilis, O'Charleys, etc.. Regardless, you are bound by law not to carry a weapon and consume alcohol. You run the risk of having your permit revoked.
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Actually under the state constitution you don't really need a carry permit.

In about 1840 the Tennessee State Supreme Court ruled that citizens have the right to go armed in order to protect themselves but not to create mayhem.

That ruling has yet to be challenged.

I had a handgun in a police station once and was asked to surrender it, funny thing was it was just a reaction by some rookie, anyway cooler heads prevailed and to the older guy I asked; "do you want the bullets too?" and he said yes. (I had unloaded it before entering.)

I wasn't arrested but issued a citation and appeared in court without counsel or council. (that is an important consideration, you are entitled to take your next door neighbor or whoever to represent you as 'council' in most states and if you lose then you have automatic grounds for retrial since you had incompetant 'counsel.')

I never said a word, the judge, the prosecuter and clerk conferred, laughed and gave me a piece of paper for me to retrieve my gun.

I produced it back at the police station and got my gun and said; "can I have my bullets back?"

I could have reloaded right there but waited til I got back to my car.

That isn't the only instance. I have seveal humorous stories about that.

Policemen are trained to be polite to the public, it's a rare occurence when they aren't, provided you don't smart off to them. I greatly respect their authority and mostly admire the job they do which daily involves personal risks to their own safety and well being to do their jobs. I'm always; yes sir, no sir.

OTOH, I'm not willing to give up one inch of my rights as a citizen that have been won and maintained at great expense, both in blood and money.



hndog609 said:
It's more convoluted than that. First, it is my understanding that the whole "guns in bars" thing is simply inaccurate and is actually at the heart of the debate. Short version is that a judge ruled the definitions used to delineate a "bar" (where carry would still be illegal) and a "restaurant" that happened to serve alcohol were simply too ambiguous. Is is also my understanding that the issue is being addressed and will most likely come back up with clearer set of definitions.

In any case in TN one cannot legally be consuming alcohol while carrying with a permit. It's interesting that some states actually allow that. I'm not certain that's a good idea but it hasn't led to a bunch of drunken shootings in those states either.
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It isn't all that convoluted as the media would have you believe, either you know the law and abide by it or you don't.

It is unclear (to me at least) that if you carry into a restaurant that bars weapons what would happen.

I assume that would be a civil rather that a criminal court issue.

IPorange said:
As I recall, if an establishment ONLY serves alcohol (no food), then the law doesn't apply. The name of the bill should have been "Restaurant carry", but was known as "Bar carry" for political reasons.
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Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth.
George Washington

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It's only a misdemeanor to carry in a tavern or bar.



rjd970 said:
As usual, there seems to be a lot of misinformation from both sides of the debate.

I just read the second amendment and use common sense after that. Too bad everybody can't.
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Like my dad use to say, I have a carry permit, it's called the second amendment.

Meanwhile Obama and Holder propose to revive the assault rifle ban.

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Go Vols!!

17-0 start vs Missippi St.

17 point lead at halftime!

Vols win 75 - 59!!
 
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Oklahoma City - State Sen. Randy Brogdon has won Senate approval for the Oklahoma Firearms Freedom Act. The measure passed with overwhelming bipartisan support—a vote Brogdon says mirrors the values of most Oklahomans. The Senate approved Senate Bill 1685 on Wednesday on a vote of 39 to 3.

“As a private citizen and as a state senator, I believe it is important that we guard against the continued erosion of the Bill of Rights, including the right to protect ourselves and our families,” said Brogdon, R-Owasso. “This legislation reaffirms our Second Amendment rights.”

Under the provisions of Senate Bill 1685, no firearms or ammunition manufactured in Oklahoma and remaining in the state could be subject to any federal regulations, including federal registration requirements.

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Several states have enacted laws that prohibit federal authorities from seizing privately owned guns during emergencies including during periods where marshall law is declared.

Obama says; "rural folks cling to their religion and their guns," as if we are some sort of retarded ignoramouses.

All his hires and appointments seem to share the same elitist, condescending attitude toward Americans.

The media would have us believe that people who desire to protect second amendment rights all wear tin foil hats.

The truth of the matter though is that, as all these state laws suggest, many if not most American citizens have lost faith in the federal government to do the right things.
 
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cwil4 said:
I have one,I just think you should have a hunting license to have one.
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So you can carry a pistol, which is actually illegal to hunt most big game with, if you have a hunting license?

I'm all for the Second Amendment and owning as many guns as you want.

I personally don't own a pistol because I have no need for one, but it's not mine or the government's right to tell people what they can and cannot own.
 
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