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hatvol96

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The recent talk about whether or not Bonds and others suspected of using performance enhancers should be admitted to Cooperstown got me thinking about the Hall. Here are a list of 10 players who are either already up for voting, will be soon, or are at the end of their careers. How many of these players do you think merit induction?

1. Andre Dawson
2. Jack Morris
3. Lee Smith
4. Tim Raines
5. Harold Baines
6. Barry Larkin
7. Don Mattingly
8. Jim Rice
9. Jeff Bagwell
10. Craig Biggio
 
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You could make an argument for each! Thats why I couldn't vote! However I feel strongly about Dawson,Rice,Mattingly and Smith! Sometimes you have to look past the numbers, I think there is more to it than that!
 
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hatvol96 said:
The recent talk about whether or not Bonds and others suspected of using performance enhancers should be admitted to Cooperstown got me thinking about the Hall. Here are a list of 10 players who are either already up for voting, will be soon, or are at the end of their careers. How many of these players do you think merit induction?

1. Andre Dawson
2. Jack Morris
3. Lee Smith
4. Tim Raines
5. Harold Baines
6. Barry Larkin
7. Don Mattingly
8. Jim Rice
9. Jeff Bagwell
10. Craig Biggio
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Those are the only two that I think will definitely get in.
 
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therealUT said:
Those are the only two that I think will definitely get in.
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I agree that both should get in, but I have my concerns. Mattingly is already on the ballot and he's not receiving that much support. Larkin should be a no brainer, but I worry that voters may compare his numbers to the new breed of offensive shortstops instead of with his contemporaries. It also hurts Barry that Ozzie Smith won about 4 Gold Gloves on reputation that should have rightfully gone to Larkin.
 
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crimedawg12 said:
You could make an argument for each! Thats why I couldn't vote! However I feel strongly about Dawson,Rice,Mattingly and Smith! Sometimes you have to look past the numbers, I think there is more to it than that!
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To me, Raines and Morris are easy choices. Raines was the NL's version of Rickey Henderson. Had he played in a major media market in his prime, he'd be a first ballot inductee. Morris was simply the best, toughest pitcher of his generation. He took the ball in big situations and produced. The fact he treated the media like dirt hurts him the same way it detracts from Rice's candidacy.
 
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hatvol96 said:
To me, Raines and Morris are easy choices. Raines was the NL's version of Rickey Henderson. Had he played in a major media market in his prime, he'd be a first ballot inductee. Morris was simply the best, toughest pitcher of his generation. He took the ball in big situations and produced. The fact he treated the media like dirt hurts him the same way it detracts from Rice's candidacy.
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Yeah, I could find a reason to put em all in! But the whole Pete Rose deal turned me against the process. Kinda like Peyton and the Heis.....well you know, lets not bring that back up!
 
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crimedawg12 said:
Yeah, I could find a reason to put em all in! But the whole Pete Rose deal turned me against the process. Kinda like Peyton and the Heis.....well you know, lets not bring that back up!
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Baines is the toughest call for me. I'm still enough of a purist that I at least hesitate to put a pure DH in the Hall.
 
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hatvol96 said:
The recent talk about whether or not Bonds and others suspected of using performance enhancers should be admitted to Cooperstown got me thinking about the Hall. Here are a list of 10 players who are either already up for voting, will be soon, or are at the end of their careers. How many of these players do you think merit induction?

1. Andre Dawson
2. Jack Morris
3. Lee Smith
4. Tim Raines
5. Harold Baines
6. Barry Larkin
7. Don Mattingly
8. Jim Rice
9. Jeff Bagwell
10. Craig Biggio
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I think you should have Morris, Smith, Larkin, Mattingly, and Rice in out of these guys.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Baines is the toughest call for me. I'm still enough of a purist that I at least hesitate to put a pure DH in the Hall.
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I think those uniforms they wore back then will keep him out! No one wants to see those things again!
 
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Bagwell is an interesting case. Does he get a pass for hitting all of those HRs in the Astro Dome? Very productive player throughout his career.

Biggio becomes a lock when he gets to 3000 hits next year... or will he be the first that doesn't make it on 3000 hits alone?
 
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tidwell said:
Bagwell is an interesting case. Does he get a pass for hitting all of those HRs in the Astro Dome? Very productive player throughout his career.

Biggio becomes a lock when he gets to 3000 hits next year... or will he be the first that doesn't make it on 3000 hits alone?
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I think Biggio's versatility makes him a lock. He's caught, played second and played centerfield. Arguably the most underrated player of his generation.
 
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It's amazing that it's been this long and Jim Rice is not in. For a period of time, he was probably the most feared hitter in the game.
 
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GAVol said:
It's amazing that it's been this long and Jim Rice is not in. For a period of time, he was probably the most feared hitter in the game.
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Goes to show how little objectivity the voters really have. Rice wasn't media friendly, so they punish him.
 
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Another guy I'd like to see get in, but it will never happen, is Dale Murphy. He won back to back MVPs and in his prime was pretty much a lock to hit 35 HRs and drive in 110. His chances got hurt because of how fast his production fell off at the end of his career. In the mid 80s, he looked like a lock to get 450 HRs, but he just fell off the face of the earth.
 
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Yeah, I grew up watching Dale Murphy because TBS showed EVERY Braves game then. Too bad for him that his teams always sucked.
 
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GAVol said:
Another guy I'd like to see get in, but it will never happen, is Dale Murphy. He won back to back MVPs and in his prime was pretty much a lock to hit 35 HRs and drive in 110. His chances got hurt because of how fast his production fell off at the end of his career. In the mid 80s, he looked like a lock to get 450 HRs, but he just fell off the face of the earth.
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Murphy is another guy whose numbers look far more impressive in the context of the era in which he achieved them. He was putting up huge numbers in an era that wasn't totally dominated by offense.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Murphy is another guy whose numbers look far more impressive in the context of the era in which he achieved them. He was putting up huge numbers in an era that wasn't totally dominated by offense.
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He did it with very little production in the rest of that lineup as well.
 
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