Has Kirby Peaked at Ga?

[VolsSportsFan]

Georgia basically hired the same dude they fired. Richt had identical numbers through his first few seasons. I would argue Richt was better. Richt was winning the conference and games when Tennessee and Florida was good, even Carolina was decent. Kirby has made a living off a weak East division. Is he recruiting great talent, sure he is, but he’s done nothing more with it than what Richt would have IMO

Eh....both of his conference championships were years that UT and Florida were "down" (2002 and 2005). UT had a very disappointing (at the time) 8-5 in 2002 and 5-6 in 2005, and Florida wasn't great in 2002 (8-5) with Zook and Urban was brand new in 2005 and went 9-3 and still beat Georgia. Tennessee was better than now in his tenure but they weren't 90s good, and Florida wasn't good until Meyer showed up and then went south.

 

[VolRoger]

Eh....both of his conference championships were years that UT and Florida were "down" (2002 and 2005). UT had a very disappointing (at the time) 8-5 in 2002 and 5-6 in 2005, and Florida wasn't great in 2002 (8-5) with Zook and Urban was brand new in 2005 and went 9-3 and still beat Georgia. Tennessee was better than now in his tenure but they weren't 90s good, and Florida wasn't good until Meyer showed up and then went south.

It was easier to sorta kinda cheer for Georgia when Richt was their coach. The two coaches that bookend him not so much. If I were Fulmer I would have busted Donnan’s jaw for cussing him in front of his daughter after the 97 game.

 

[VOL_Lyfe]

Just some food for thought. Kirby cannot recruit at a higher level than he has the last 3 years. He has all of “his guys” in place. It will become harder to recruit with regional recruiting rivals as Clemson, Florida , and (fingers crossed) Tennessee on the rise. His window is quickly closing to cakewalk through the SEC East. Half the West is proving to be at on the level of GA. He has had 3 years to improve as an in game coach and has done little to prove he has learned much of anything. Just my two cents.

Disagree, his fake punts are second to none

 

[VOL_Lyfe]

I hope Florida whips their a$$

For me, a literal "why can't they both lose?" game.

Is an infinity-overtime that lasts forever too much to ask?

 

[Jax_Vol]

Disagree, his fake punts are second to none

For this game, heard Kirby is putting in this "special" play.

 

[UTK]

Don't think Smart is a very good coach himself, he has to be ....smart and surround himself with good coaches. I think UGA will win by 3 Saturday against UF but it could easily go the other way. UF has overachieved this year and is pretty good.

 

[Jax_Vol]

Don't think Smart is a very good coach himself, he has to be ....smart and surround himself with good coaches. I think UGA will win by 3 Saturday against UF but it could easily go the other way. UF has overachieved this year and is pretty good.

Considering they are playing a QB who sat on bench two years in High School. I'm proud of them gators

 

[secking]

Remind me again who’s recruits he made his best push with. Also are they trending up since both of their coordinators left? What he has done is impressive but his numbers are in line with some of the things Richt did. And he was fired.

He was fired after 15 years, Richt didn’t capitalize on early success recruiting wise. “Who did he win with”. Who are you suppose to win with? You can’t kick 85 kids out of school and sign 85 in a class (although ole miss tried..,)
His recruiting model shows sustainable movement as a top team. I see the same for Pruitt, but will take a year or two more to get there...

 

[secking]

Considering they are playing a QB who sat on bench two years in High School. I'm proud of them gators

Actually don’t think he has started since his freshman year, has he?
when Franks comes back, I’m still sticking with Trask. Wonder which QB hits the portal first, Franks or Jones?

 

[Gatornator]

Actually don’t think he has started since his freshman year, has he?
when Franks comes back, I’m still sticking with Trask. Wonder which QB hits the portal first, Franks or Jones?

I think Franks is done at UF. I don't think Jones is going anywhere. He will be a starter for certain knowing Mullen's loyalty to his seniors in 2021/2022. If Jones decides to transfer he will need to sit out 2020 anyway, and there is no guarantee that he will start wherever he goes in 2021.

 

[Gatornator]

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[secking]

I think Franks is done at UF. I don't think Jones is going anywhere. He will be a starter for certain knowing Mullen's loyalty to his seniors in 2021/2022. If Jones decides to transfer he will need to sit out 2020 anyway, and there is no guarantee that he will start wherever he goes in 2021.

Agree 100 that Jones shouldn’t go anywhere and think he would do well in that system but think Gatewood is actually a better fit at AU than Nix for Gus. Kids don’t make the smartest decisions and have no patience anymore. I can see Franks leaving as I think Trask is back next year, correct.?

 

[05_never_again]

The fact that the general feeling going into this game next Saturday that it is a 50/50 chance going either way is an embarrassment. Georgia is the 3rd most talented team in the country. They have 14 5 stars and 45 four stars. Florida has 1 five star that is not even eligible this year, and 38 four stars. The talent difference is huge. An elite coach would not have a program stacked with so much talent barely beating teams with much lower talent. Florida should be going into this with absolutely no chance of winning, like UT going into a game against Alabama, yet we can all agree that they somehow do stand a good chance if winning.

The only thing that makes up for that difference is how well of a coaching job Mullen is doing and how terrible of a job Kirby is doing. Now granted Mullen is doing marginally better at recruiting than the last two disasters we had, but still he is to blame for the lower talent he is getting. If Mullen can't bring in better talent, he will end up in the same category, a coach that can win many games but rarely win anything meaningful.

You wanna know why Kirby is not the answer? Just watch the ND game this year, or the USCe game. Its not just one terrible 4rth down call against Alabama. He just cannot pull out close games. USCe was not a fluke this year. He will keep choking in big games over and over again.

Who's the 2nd most talented? I'd say Georgia is - the only team noticeably deeper than them (and it isn't by a whole lot) is Alabama. You can argue Georgia is more talented and deeper than Clemson. Same with LSU. I know Clemson and LSU have advantages over Georgia at QB, but one position does not a team make. I do totally agree with you on paper that on paper Florida should be entering this game with not a great chance of winning, yet they are only a TD underdog and honestly feels like a toss-up game. That's way too close for comfort for Georgia fans. They'll feel much better about themselves if they win handily, but I'm not sure that will happen. Although despite this being a rivalry game some games in recent years have been blowouts (2018, 2017, 2015, 2014 were not close games).

I think it is time for a lot of Vols fans on here to eat a lot of crow about Mullen. I don't know if he ever is going to recruit at an exceptionally high level (i.e., like Alabama or Georgia), but there are very few coaches who do a better job at maximizing what they have than Mullen. He has these moments where his detractors think he's being "exposed" as not a great coach, like losing to Kentucky last year or gutting out an ugly win against Miami this year. His demeanor is kind of quirky and un-football coach-like, which makes him a target.

 

[BAMA-DAWG]

I think Franks is done at UF. I don't think Jones is going anywhere. He will be a starter for certain knowing Mullen's loyalty to his seniors in 2021/2022. If Jones decides to transfer he will need to sit out 2020 anyway, and there is no guarantee that he will start wherever he goes in 2021.

Dawgs only have one QB commit for 2020, Beck kid who decommitted from Mullen. Might there be a QB for the taking in the transfer portal? I expect someone would want to come play for a championship.

 

[secking]

Dawgs only have one QB commit for 2020, Beck kid who decommitted from Mullen. Might there be a QB for the taking in the transfer portal? I expect someone would want to come play for a championship.

Beck has never been committed to Mullen. Beck was committed to Alabama, last QB that flipped from Bama to UGA worked out well for UGA.

 

[Gatornator]

Who's the 2nd most talented? I'd say Georgia is - the only team noticeably deeper than them (and it isn't by a whole lot) is Alabama. You can argue Georgia is more talented and deeper than Clemson. Same with LSU. I know Clemson and LSU have advantages over Georgia at QB, but one position does not a team make. I do totally agree with you on paper that on paper Florida should be entering this game with not a great chance of winning, yet they are only a TD underdog and honestly feels like a toss-up game. That's way too close for comfort for Georgia fans. They'll feel much better about themselves if they win handily, but I'm not sure that will happen. Although despite this being a rivalry game some games in recent years have been blowouts (2018, 2017, 2015, 2014 were not close games).

The second most talented team is Ohio State. Meyer has them stacked and with Justin Fields transferring in plus having picked up two more Qbs they are very deep at every position.

 

[Gatornator]

Dawgs only have one QB commit for 2020, Beck kid who decommitted from Mullen. Might there be a QB for the taking in the transfer portal? I expect someone would want to come play for a championship.

Beck is having terrible senior year stats too. His completion percentage I believe is <50% which is a bad sign. I think he will be a bust. However Joey Gatewood would be an idiot to play for Kirby.

As far as the gators go, we hopefully will keep Trask and EJ next year and bring in anthony richardson who has been doing pretty well lately and is homegrown in Gainesville.

 

[secking]

The second most talented team is Ohio State. Meyer has them stacked and with Justin Fields transferring in they are very deep.

Can certainly say that they are. Both UGA/OSU are very comparable. Chase Young might put them over the top.

 

[Jax_Vol]

Beck is having terrible senior year stats too. His completion percentage I believe is <50% which is a bad sign. I think he will be a bust. However Joey Gatewood would be an idiot to play for Kirby.

As far as the gators go, we hopefully will keep Trask and EJ next year and bring in anthony richardson who has been doing pretty well lately and is homegrown in Gainesville.

Joey Gatewood...???

 

[Gatornator]

Joey Gatewood...???

Auburn's 2018 class QB who announced that he is transferring out.

 

[BAMA-DAWG]

Beck is having terrible senior year stats too. His completion percentage I believe is <50% which is a bad sign. I think he will be a bust. However Joey Gatewood would be an idiot to play for Kirby.

As far as the gators go, we hopefully will keep Trask and EJ next year and bring in anthony richardson who has been doing pretty well lately and is homegrown in Gainesville.

Gatewood reportedly going to SMU

 

[BAMA-DAWG]

Beck has never been committed to Mullen. Beck was committed to Alabama, last QB that flipped from Bama to UGA worked out well for UGA.

ok. corrected. Who is the Bama commit that flipped and fit well with UGA?

 

[Jax_Vol]

Auburn's 2018 class QB who announced that he is transferring out.

Oh...I knew they had some issue, but haven't followed Auburn this year.

Where is the backup QB at Wahington going? The guy who quit after Jacob Eason got the job.

 

[BAMA-DAWG]

Beck is having terrible senior year stats too. His completion percentage I believe is <50% which is a bad sign. I think he will be a bust. However Joey Gatewood would be an idiot to play for Kirby.

As far as the gators go, we hopefully will keep Trask and EJ next year and bring in anthony richardson who has been doing pretty well lately and is homegrown in Gainesville.

Yeah, not sure if Beck will be there or not. Understand his issues may be more of a lack of receiver talent, but I don't follow FL high school ball too closely.

I would think Gators have the inside shot at Richardson.

I know there's a lot of ball to be played. End of October last year nobody knew for sure who was leaving. I suspect the portal may be a viable option for a team lacking a proven QB.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Kirby is an upgrade over Richt. The guy had UGA in the NC game his second year. I am not sure if Kirby will get back to a NC game, but the odds are better with him at the helm than they were with Richt.