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This is embarrassing. You would think that we are living in Haiti or something. We have all of these resources, and it takes DAYS to get help to these people and clean this mess up. This is rediculous. :banghead:
 
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Originally posted by Jmxvol@Sep 2, 2005 10:35 AM
This is embarrassing. You would think that we are living in Haiti or something. We have all of these resources, and it takes DAYS to get help to these people and clean this mess up. This is rediculous. :banghead:
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What would you suggest be done that isn't being done?

And how would you go about doing it?
 
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When the WTC attacks happened, there was help from everywhere immediately.
The help that's being sent down there today should have been sent the first day. It's taken rape, looting, shooting, and babies dying for our leaders to get serious. This is embarrassing for other countries to see this. What if we were invaded? Would it take DAYS for us to respond to it?
Prez said today he wasn't pleased and that the help should have been better and sooner.....Well damn it, fire somebody if they aren't doing their job!
 
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In my opinion comparing 9/11 to Katrina is like comparing apples to oranges. I know 9/11 was a VERY BAD situation but NYC was not flooded and it did not displace over 800,000 people.
 
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Originally posted by Jmxvol@Sep 2, 2005 10:50 AM
When the WTC attacks happened, there was help from everywhere immediately.
The help that's being sent down there today should have been sent the first day. It's taken rape, looting, shooting, and babies dying for our leaders to get serious. This is embarrassing for other countries to see this. What if we were invaded? Would it take DAYS for us to respond to it?
Prez said today he wasn't pleased and that the help should have been better and sooner.....Well damn it, fire somebody if they aren't doing their job!
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It has been my opinion, granted they're opinions of an arm chair QB like most of us, that the simple obstacle of logistics prevents this tragedy from even remotely resembling 9-11.

The reasons they can't compare are many:

1. There were precious few survivors of the tower tragedies. Almost all died in the rubble.
2. Ground Zero is completely different logistically from The Black Hole, as New Orleans is being described. Workers could drive right up to ground zero on all sides of the disaster. In New Orleans, that is not an option since people are spread across a huge square-mileage area, hindered by flood waters on every side.
3. There was no looting or gangs creating an environment of anarchy.

I personally believe this has overwhelmed FEMA in every sense.

I believe it is far more widespread than they ever imagined it could be.

I am certain they are doing all they can do under the circumstances, but flooding the area now with thousands of relief workers is probably not the answer. They in short order would become a part of the problem instead of the solution.

My opinion on what should be done is this:

Bring every chopper available to New Orleans.

Arm them with either regular military or NG as a single gunner to return any fire received. Arm them with rescue personell to evacuate the flood victims. Simultaneously rotate buses in and out to remove the refugees to shelters where ever they can be established.

Put more armed responders on the ground with orders to shoot any and all armed persons who resist order. (killing a few will send a quick message to other law breakers)

Secure the area while rescue operations continue.

Again, it is a logistics nightmare. I applaud those who are 'boots on the ground' in the Gulf Coast area.

They need our support and encouragement. They do not need criticism.
 
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I support W. But, I'm only criticising because I believe more could have been done, I'll leave it at that.
 
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If you ask me, it's just crazy to build a city below sea level, on a coast, between a huge river and a lake. It's even crazier that we depend on that place for most of our domestic oil and a lot of our imports. I just can't believe that nobody saw this coming and I can't believe that they weren't any better prepared for something like this.
 
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Originally posted by Orangewhiteblood@Sep 2, 2005 10:37 PM
  I just can't believe that nobody saw this coming and I can't believe that they weren't any better prepared for something like this.
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They DID see it coming, OWB!! The Weather Channel forecasted for a WEEK about how Katrina was going to be possibly the worst storm ever and WARNED people to GET OUT OF NEW ORLEANS!!! Those folks can gripe about how the government didn't do them right AFTER the government complains about the lack of common sense and the stupidity of staying in a below-sea-level city with a hurricane coming.

I got scared and started worrying about our emergency preparedness supplies and I live in TENNESSEE!!!!!!

Before y'all start flaming me, I in NO way consider myself superior to those folks in New Orleans. I just think it's too easy to blame the government when it's obviously not the government's fault.
 
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I agree LIO...at some point you have to be responsible on a personal level. As a head of household you have to ask yourself 3 questions in a perceived emergency, something you forsee thru practical expierience or whatever.

1. Can I feed my family
2. Can I shelter my family
3. Can I protect my family

If you're an individual who believes that the ''govenment'' will protect you and yours in an emergency situation, please consider the concept of self-reliance. Yes the local authorities do their best, how their supplied by their next higher ups but as folks on the gulf coast have found out....how well can you take care or you? Be prepared, use common sense, be self reliant because those you love may live or die depending on how well you can see it coming and how well you prepare.
 
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Originally posted by Jmxvol@Sep 2, 2005 10:50 AM
When the WTC attacks happened, there was help from everywhere immediately.
The help that's being sent down there today should have been sent the first day. It's taken rape, looting, shooting, and babies dying for our leaders to get serious. This is embarrassing for other countries to see this. What if we were invaded? Would it take DAYS for us to respond to it?
Prez said today he wasn't pleased and that the help should have been better and sooner.....Well damn it, fire somebody if they aren't doing their job!
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Agreed! Both were bad but if NYC was under 10 feet or more of water then the help would'nt have gotten there as fast either.
 
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Originally posted by LadyinOrange@Sep 3, 2005 11:55 AM
They DID see it coming, OWB!! The Weather Channel forecasted for a WEEK about how Katrina was going to be possibly the worst storm ever and WARNED people to GET OUT OF NEW ORLEANS!!!
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I wasn't talking about them seeing that storm coming. I was talking about the New Orleans situation in general. The city should have been better prepared for a storm like this about 20 years ago.
 
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Originally posted by Orangewhiteblood@Sep 5, 2005 12:22 PM
I wasn't talking about them seeing that storm coming.  I was talking about the New Orleans situation in general.  The city should have been better prepared for a storm like this about 20 years ago.
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agreed, it makes u wonder....A city under sea level :banghead:
 
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