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I heard that Kirk made some comments that Tennessee's problems could be traced back to Kelly Washington being allowed to run his mouth while on campus and that had attributed to some of the discipline problems we have today. Did anyone hear or see this?
 
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I think on GameDay he was saying that Washington came in basically with the stepping stone to the NFL attitude instead of play serious college ball attitude. From Day 1 it was a higher purpose with Washington. It was the show, etc.

You might equate it to the Corbin Burnsen attitude from Major League. They don't want to get injured and want to look pretty for the pros.
 
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I heard about the comments Freak.

I think he has a point.

There's simply too much aloofness on The Hill right now.

I wasn't impressed with Phil's "Equity" comment either.

What the heck does it mean when you say "We've built up a little equity here." Does that mean you can take a season off? Does it mean you can experiment with letting the hens run the henhouse (maybe that's a bad example for married guys)?

When you have a player in college labeling himself The Future, that has to be a negative thing because; no matter where you are, there's going to be a lot of players who are going to view that as a non-team thing. We had several players who did not like Kelley's braggadocia.

That is a leadership problem that goes all the way to the Head Coach's table.

When you try to coach these kids to make good choices off the field, not to drink to excess, not to get into altercations, not to break laws, and you have a lot of them doing it anyway, it's a sign of selfishness on the player's part, because those choices hurt the entire team.

How can you expect them to focus on the field, make the right choices in game situations, and play as a unit when they're doing things off the field that clearly betrays the spirit of teamwork.

That is where the Head Coach has to step in and be a bit of a party pooper. He shouldn't be too concerned with being their friend, he should be concerned with being their mentor.
 
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he only seems to care about disciplining pot heads, he never says a word about these guys who get out of control with their mouths and lack of discipline.
 
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Does alot of this come back to our recruiting success? Are we picking up alot of talented guys that other teams are passing on for reasons other than their talent? Asking seriously.
 
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Bull, the problems go back to 99 and the stars of that team coasting to the NFL and playing not to get hurt.
 
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Yeah, 67, I was just about to mention J-Lew and his "team" mates myself.

'99 Seniors in NFL:

Tee Martin (2 years w/ Steelers)

Shaun Ellis

Raynoch Thompson

Chad Clifton

Darwin Walker

DeWayne Goodrich

'99 Juniors in the NFL:

J-Lew

Travis Henry

Travis Stephens

Cosey Coleman

Cedrick Wilson

Eric Westmoreland

David Martin

DeAngelo Lloyd

Deon Grant

This bunch went 9-3 and 6-2 in the SEC. Included were EMBARASSING losses to Florida (23-21), Arkansas (28-24) and to Nebraska in the '00 Fiesta Bowl (31-21). One HAS to add a near train-wreck against Tiger High which the Vols "won" 17-16. Won is in quotations as, to my estimation, anything less than a 20-point win over Tiger High is a cause for concern.

We fans should have smelled trouble on the wind then.

Unfortunately, we thought it was just being downwind of the Third Creek Sewage Plant.
 
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Freak:

I agree with Herbie, I think there is a lot of truth to what he said on gameday. He is the most objective analyst working for ESPN.

His comments are especially true on offense. Tennessee needs to get back to being team minded like in 1998 or we will be an average SEC team for the foreseeable future.

In my opinion the best thing UT could do to build team unity would be to take the names off the back of their jerseys, and represent the T on the helmets, not the name on the back of the jersey.


Gunner

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Originally posted by gunner@Nov 7, 2005 6:42 AM
Freak:

I agree with Herbie, I think there is a lot of truth to what he said on gameday. He is the most objective analyst working for ESPN.

His comments are especially true on offense. Tennessee needs to get back to being team minded like in 1998 or we will be an average SEC team for the foreseeable future.

In my opinion the best thing UT could do to build team unity would be to take the names off the back of their jerseys, and represent the T on the helmets, not the name on the back of the jersey.
Gunner

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The name on the jersey is not the problem as much as the lack of control of the players, especially the young players. I remember back in the days when players like Jack "Hacksaw" Reynolds had to stay in the athletic dorms and I think that had a lot to do with team unity and player involvement with each other. Kelly Washington and some of the other players mentioned would not have run their mouths and got into some of the trouble that has happened this past year if they had been staying in the dorms like Jack. Heck they could have helped Jack disassemble his Jeep. :twocents:
 
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kirks comments could be true of any number of players throughout college football, and any number of teams. theres a kelly washington on 9 out of the top 10 teams, and 23 out of the top 25. you just dont hear about them because those teams arent 3-6.

look at florida state.... they have another word for the players there: DEFENDANTS

the thing is (and i hate to use him here), one of the best coaches ever was Paul Bryant, and he woulda kicked kelly washingtons tail, and then removed him and whoever was his best friend from the team, and no one woulda acted like that for about 5-10 more years. no one uses discipline like that anymore. if big Phil wants to get his team back, he is going to have to go on record telling clausen to have fun the next 3 games watching on tv, and anyone else who doesnt have a team attitude can join him....


Vol in Bama,

FineBomb
 
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Speaking of players playing not to get hurt, did anyone see that exact thing out of C.J. Feyton Saturday? He's not getting open. And when he catches the ball, he cowers and tiptoes until he gets hit--even if the closest defender is 10 yards away. Talk about senior leadership...
 
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I just read where Feyton has been limited by an ankle injury. If that's the case, I applaude the couple of clutch catches he made Saturday. It just seems like our receivers are not getting open, and if they are the pass is overthrown. Ainge had his arm under control most of the game Saturday--maybe he can build on that the rest of the season.
 
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i dont think that kelly has anything to do with this really. did he tell brent to beat up that guy?

no offece to anyone...
 
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Originally posted by gunner@Nov 7, 2005 6:42 AM
Freak:


In my opinion the best thing UT could do to build team unity would be to take the names off the back of their jerseys, and represent the T on the helmets, not the name on the back of the jersey.
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You know i was thinking about the same thing,but i go one step futher,and this one might raise some eyebrows,threaten to have the "T" removed from the helmet if they continue to fumble and make stupid penaltes and that would straighten that problem there.
 
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Herstreit is an idiot with a microphone. He has no clue what he's talking about.
 
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Freaky Kirk is right, but you know who allowed it?

ESPN (remember that awful piece on him)

People want to complain about players acting the way they do, but then ESPN glorifies it. The highlights they show, are of players acting like fools (do you hear me T.O.?). Yes the poise and demeanor of UT players has been awful in the 21st century. From Washington to Clausen, the only ones who get pub, are the ones who run their mouths. Give me some pub on players who work hard, and get the job done.
 
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Originally posted by Volstorm@Nov 7, 2005 3:48 PM
Freaky Kirk is right, but you know who allowed it?

ESPN (remember that awful piece on him)

People want to complain about players acting the way they do, but then ESPN glorifies it.  The highlights they show, are of players acting like fools (do you hear me T.O.?).  Yes the poise and demeanor of UT players has been awful in the 21st century.  From Washington to Clausen, the only ones who get pub, are the ones who run their mouths.  Give me some pub on players who work hard, and get the job done.
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I'll never forget watching ESPN's gamday from Knoxville before the 2002 Florida game when they ran that piece on Kelley. They dubbed him the "future" and had him flexing and posing all over the screen.

Then he (and the rest of the Vols) laid a rain soaked egg in the form of a blowout loss to the Gators in Ron Zook's first trip to Neyland as head coach.

Casey Clausen did the same stuff, yet he was only said to have "California Cool" or West Coast swagger. Label it what you will, but I call it ********. Statements like "I could have beaten Georgia [in 2002] with one arm" are absolutely ridiculous and have no place on a football team.

I don't like the attitude of our team, and a lot of it can be contributed to players like Washington, and also that crap they do on the jumbotron every year that singles out the players rather than the team (this year's theme is the Apprentice).

Just to play devil's advocate, Willie Gault used to do the same thing, both at UT and while playing for the Bears. As long as the coaches put a limit on all that stuff, then it's usually okay. I think it's obvious that Phil has just let it get way out of control.
 
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Originally posted by oz615@Nov 7, 2005 2:32 PM
You know i was thinking about the same thing,but i go one step futher,and this one might raise some eyebrows,threaten to have the "T" removed from the helmet if they continue to fumble and make stupid penaltes and that would straighten that problem there.
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The way the team has played in the last for games they don't deserve to wear the T on their helments.

Gunner

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Originally posted by Vol67@Nov 7, 2005 3:23 PM
Herstreit is an idiot with a microphone. He has no clue what he's talking about.
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Just because he is objective and critical of UT football makes him an idiot?

I think not Herbstriet may not pump sunshine up the vols' butts, he tells it likes he sees it, when the vols play well he admits it. When they play like crap he calls out the players on National TV, and I have no problem with that as long as he is consistent, and he is usually very consistent.

The commentator that gives me heartburn is Lou Holtz, he has no business being on ESPN. He is obviously biased towards South Carolina and Notre Dame, Last week he said South Carolina was probably the best team in the SEC East right now, and he said it with a straight face.


Gunner

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If they want to keep any credibility at all, Lou will be sitting on the porch with Trev Albert next fall.

As for Herbie, he may not pull punches, but I personally think he gives about the most unbiased and realistic perspective on TV right now. Unfortunately for us right now, that means he's going to be downing us quite a bit. If we don't like it, well TOUGH: THE TRUTH HURTS.
 
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Agreed. Didn't particularly care for Trev either.

Other than Lou, I've got no problem with any of ESPN's college football analysts.
 
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Originally posted by Volstorm@Nov 7, 2005 4:48 PM
Freaky Kirk is right, but you know who allowed it?

ESPN (remember that awful piece on him)

People want to complain about players acting the way they do, but then ESPN glorifies it.  The highlights they show, are of players acting like fools (do you hear me T.O.?).  Yes the poise and demeanor of UT players has been awful in the 21st century.  From Washington to Clausen, the only ones who get pub, are the ones who run their mouths.  Give me some pub on players who work hard, and get the job done.
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Hey man, you know that the majority of players who are good, hard-working athletes don't sell papers or TV time. The average sports fan idiot out there wants to hear all the dirty stuff. It's just like the news in general.

The thing that sells today for the media is the crapola!!!
 
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