Here's where Chaney failed...

[armchair]

In three years he did not turn Bray into a leader--at all. I just read that Jones did not hesitate to bench his starting QB last year. We benched Bray--but only late last year after he's spent the better part of two years pouting and displaying his poor body language. I like Chaney's personality, but I think he's too soft. He should have read the riot act to Bray a year or more ago. If he did, it didn't work. We were very good at scoring last year when we were 14 points behind--which was often. But when we really needed points late in games--and there were at least three of them (georgia, miss. state, south carolina), the offense flopped. Be interesting to see how our OC is...

 

[Volt]

Chaney improved Bray - He was throwing whiskey bottles before.

 

[emzeeee]

In three years he did not turn Bray into a leader--at all. I just read that Jones did not hesitate to bench his starting QB last year. We benched Bray--but only late last year after he's spent the better part of two years pouting and displaying his poor body language. I like Chaney's personality, but I think he's too soft. He should have read the riot act to Bray a year or more ago. If he did, it didn't work. We were very good at scoring last year when we were 14 points behind--which was often. But when we really needed points late in games--and there were at least three of them (georgia, miss. state, south carolina), the offense flopped. Be interesting to see how our OC is...

I'm tired of this.

Yes, our offense had problems. But why on earth are 80% of the threads *****ing about our team about them. And not our defense, who gave up record numbers nearly every single game.

 

[sjt18]

You blame a coach because a player does not become a leader? You cannot change another person. The sooner you learn that in life the more happy and productive you will be in every part of your life. You can help people change. You can cut people off who will not change.

But Bray isn't a choker and poor leader because Chaney made him that way. That factor is probably why he didn't have big time offers out of HS. He's a choker and poor leader because he is.... and has not committed to changing himself.


Chaney's other option and one I advocated to HOWLS of protest from many here was to bench Bray. But the HC actually makes the call to bench a QB, not the OC. I said that if I were DD and my job were on the line then I would not put games in Bray's hands to win or lose. Maybe Worley. Maybe Peterman. But starting with UNC... Bray never demonstrated he could lead the O to a big win vs a good opponent and especially if the chips were down.

 

[AllVol11717]

I'm tired of this.

Yes, our offense had problems. But why on earth are 80% of the threads *****ing about our team about them. And not our defense, who gave up record numbers nearly every single game.

Exactly! How you can blame the Miss St. game on Bray is beyond me. The offensive error that took it out of us wasn't even his fault and that being said we should never have to put up 35+ points a game just to be in games.

 

[YorkVol]

There was definitely a lack of leadership on the team...

 

[Volt]

Bray led the best half of our team. He didn't play defense.

 

[sjt18]

I'm tired of this.

Yes, our offense had problems. But why on earth are 80% of the threads *****ing about our team about them. And not our defense, who gave up record numbers nearly every single game.

The D made UT a much worse loser than they would have been otherwise. You can argue that some of those games would have not been close enough for a Bray choke to kill UT's chances of winning. But there would have been games regardless when Bray needed to lead the O down the field for a winning score. They would have been 0-fer in those games whether it was one or 7.

 

[munsterlander]

In three years he did not turn Bray into a leader--at all. I just read that Jones did not hesitate to bench his starting QB last year. We benched Bray--but only late last year after he's spent the better part of two years pouting and displaying his poor body language. I like Chaney's personality, but I think he's too soft. He should have read the riot act to Bray a year or more ago. If he did, it didn't work. We were very good at scoring last year when we were 14 points behind--which was often. But when we really needed points late in games--and there were at least three of them (georgia, miss. state, south carolina), the offense flopped. Be interesting to see how our OC is...

Ridiculous, and, btw, what's the point at this point? Bray had an off day and very poor game against Vandy, but otherwise how in the world can you b**** about the leader of an offense that scored as many points as this one did instead of directing blame where it clearly belongs? If the defense had been able to do anything this year we probably wouldn't be talking about CBJ. This incessant moaning about Bray's leadership is making me wonder if you're one of the whiny women suing the school.

 

[JMSqb11]

The D made UT a much worse loser than they would have been otherwise. You can argue that some of those games would have not been close enough for a Bray choke to kill UT's chances of winning. But there would have been games regardless when Bray needed to lead the O down the field for a winning score. They would have been 0-fer in those games whether it was one or 7.

The defense also covered up a lot of chaneys failures that costed us games over and over.

 

[MFL]

It's simple the run game was missing. The offensive scoring was not balanced with the run that eats up the clock. I love Chaney and the kids do to but it's time to change. Coach Chaney is in the wrong conference.

 

[tshadow]

What we really needed was the same reticence that was shown benching bray toward changing the defensive scheme from 4-3 to 3-4. That little stumble cost us probably 3 or more games. The program was already in enough flux without introducing extra uncertainties. If bray was benched it would have been just another sore point to ***** and moan about. I doubt if chaney had the authority to bench bray without backing from DD. Chaney was probably the best one on our coaching staff.

 

[GASOUTHERNVOL]

Chaney improved Bray - He was throwing whiskey bottles before.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha epic win!!

 

[tshadow]

Bray led the best half of our team. He didn't play defense.

I agree with the attitude toward bray. He seemed a bit reckless with the football at the wrong time. However, benching him would have had no effect on the w/l of this team. Everyone that lays the blame at our defensive coaching is right.

 

[therickbol]

In three years he did not turn Bray into a leader--at all. I just read that Jones did not hesitate to bench his starting QB last year. We benched Bray--but only late last year after he's spent the better part of two years pouting and displaying his poor body language. I like Chaney's personality, but I think he's too soft. He should have read the riot act to Bray a year or more ago. If he did, it didn't work. We were very good at scoring last year when we were 14 points behind--which was often. But when we really needed points late in games--and there were at least three of them (georgia, miss. state, south carolina), the offense flopped. Be interesting to see how our OC is...

I have coached high school basketball for a decade. You do not make kids leaders. That is a quality they have or they do not. Coaches can do things to foster a kids leadership qualities if they posses them. However, kids without leadership qualities do not 'learn them' from a coach.

 

[majic73]

Chaneys O was good against under qualified defenses and when we were behind. Terrible against teams that played decent press coverage ( most of the SEC )

Some of this may not have been his fault ..it may have been CDD. Some of it may have been Bray . He is a great passer but did not seem to get beyond his 2nd read most of the time.

The defense made them have to produce alot ...a tough position for any QB and OC.

The whole thing was a cluster.

 

[bam15]

I think much of Chaney's problem, and a problem in which Tiller was plagued by was years, was attacking the middle of the field. Much of what Chaney went back to after Lane Kiffin left was his roots in Purdue and Wyoming. A passing game where most of the concepts attacked outside the hashes or by the numbers. I think the NFL was a bit of a sabbatical for him in a sense. This applied in game planning and the overall structure aspect. The reason I sensed this is his terminology matched up with Linehan, and not Kiffin nor Tiller. In conceptual design however, it was very reminiscent of his prelusive underpinnings.

 

[bam15]

Chaneys O was good against under qualified defenses and when we were behind. Terrible against teams that played decent press coverage ( most of the SEC )

Some of this may not have been his fault ..it may have been CDD. Some of it may have been Bray . He is a great passer but did not seem to get beyond his 2nd read most of the time.

The defense made them have to produce alot ...a tough position for any QB and OC.

The whole thing was a cluster.

From what we have seen as of late, college coaches are simplifying reads. Some of the modern quarterbacks are only making half-field reads or finding grass. I know Petrino has an idea called "combos" where you put a 2-high beater on one side and a 1-high beater on the other. The only job of the quarterback is to read the safeties. This is in contrast to some other more complicated packages where the quarterback reads the depth of the corners, the eyes of the corners, identifies how many defenders are in the box, the front, the mike for protection purposes, and the safeties. Heck, Tony Franklin teams have one pass protection. The center controls the cadence and identifies the Mike. They don't even slide any more. The quarterback concentrates purely on throwing the ball to open grass.

 

[lexkyvol]

You blame a coach because a player does not become a leader? You cannot change another person. The sooner you learn that in life the more happy and productive you will be in every part of your life. You can help people change. You can cut people off who will not change.

But Bray isn't a choker and poor leader because Chaney made him that way. That factor is probably why he didn't have big time offers out of HS. He's a choker and poor leader because he is.... and has not committed to changing himself.


Chaney's other option and one I advocated to HOWLS of protest from many here was to bench Bray. But the HC actually makes the call to bench a QB, not the OC. I said that if I were DD and my job were on the line then I would not put games in Bray's hands to win or lose. Maybe Worley. Maybe Peterman. But starting with UNC... Bray never demonstrated he could lead the O to a big win vs a good opponent and especially if the chips were down.

*slow claps* for the horrible post

Bray scored enough to win the unc game and almost every game this year. Bray cannot be a "choker", the defense is. Bray should be credited if anything. yes, he is cocky, but great talents are sometimes like that. if we have an average defense, Dooley is still in his office preparing for a bowl game, Bray is heralded, and Butch is in Colorado. defense is and has been the issue in this whole ordeal. that and some terrible play-calling, which is another reason chaney isn't being retained. how soon do we forget instead of pounding the rock, chaney put bray in some terible spots by forcing passes into defender's hands inside the 5 when we should've ran the rock. leave Bray alone!

 

[majic73]

From what we have seen as of late, college coaches are simplifying reads. Some of the modern quarterbacks are only making half-field reads or finding grass. I know Petrino has an idea called "combos" where you put a 2-high beater on one side and a 1-high beater on the other. The only job of the quarterback is to read the safeties. This is in contrast to some other more complicated packages where the quarterback reads the depth of the corners, the eyes of the corners, identifies how many defenders are in the box, the front, the mike for protection purposes, and the safeties. Heck, Tony Franklin teams have one pass protection. The center controls the cadence and identifies the Mike. They don't even slide any more. The quarterback concentrates purely on throwing the ball to open grass.

You may be right on the progressions. I am really not sure. The offense seemed really hard to follow and the philosophies muddy . It was as if there were concepts from different offenses melded together. Some of the Wing T looking gargbage that came from under center and the speed sweeps were all La Tech ...much of the passing forms and trees seemed to be Chaney . I have wondered if there were not to many cooks in the kitchen .

Bray seemed to lock on . Rivera or the check down seemed to be an afterthought at times ...but when Bray would use his checkdown the offense seemed much more potent. Alot of verticles and not enough run commitment. If it was the 'system' or Bray calling his own number I am not sure. Press coverage seemed to bother this O when they were in a non-run state of mind.

I suspect this was more CDD than Chaney ...maybe a lack of control with the QB. Just not sure

 

[Negateer]

To me, Chaney failed at running on 3rd and 1.

Also, the guy had no idea how to manage a game clock.

Good riddance.