Heup Proofing the Vols

[WoodsmanVol]

We have a potent offense. It buzz for the Vols. The Heup it seems, is now seeking to defense buzz. My theory? In addition to seriously improving our defense, he's doing much more than that. Say what!? I figure he knows our success will provoke opponents to copy his schemes, which Clemson says they will. So, he's putting together a defense capable of stopping his own style of offense. OHHHH, what an ebil schemer!
Source: Tennessee Stockpiling Young and Exciting Secondary Talent During Spring Camp | Rocky Top Insider

 

[LittleVol]

We have a potent offense. It buzz for the Vols. The Heup it seems, is now seeking to defense buzz. My theory? In addition to seriously improving our defense, he's doing much more than that. Say what!? I figure he knows our success will provoke opponents to copy his schemes, which Clemson says they will. So, he's putting together a defense capable of stopping his own style of offense. OHHHH, what an ebil schemer!
Source: Tennessee Stockpiling Young and Exciting Secondary Talent During Spring Camp | Rocky Top Insider

Yes. But not just our offense. Any offense really.

Also having a defense that is multiple and talented enough to stop our offense only makes our offense evolve faster in order to try and stay ahead

 

[RockyTopTexas]

It’s going to take some time.. I hope everyone understands that.
Imo 3 to 4 more classes until we have the legit depth in the secondary..
Matching Bama and uga in recruiting the secondary is not currently possible but we are growing.
Most people don’t truly understand where we are as a program in the back end. It’s not great

 

[LittleVol]

It’s going to take some time.. I hope everyone understands that.
Imo 3 to 4 more classes until we have the legit depth in the secondary..
Matching Bama and uga in recruiting the secondary is not currently possible but we are growing.
Most people don’t truly understand where we are as a program in the back end. It’s not great

We're not that far away in talent from Alabama in the secondary. Did you see them last year?
UGA was a different story. They were far ahead in secondary talent than Alabama. They showed that at the combine.

Last year, our secondary was stretched thin to compound the lack of talent.
So at times they looked worse than they already were.
We brought in Jack Slaughter- one of the most versatile DBs in the south last year.
- Gibson and Matthews who were also recruited heavily by LSU, UGA, and Texas
Jeudy Lali was a starter for BYU' defense

But those 1st 3 are true SEC talented guys. Matthews, Slaughter, and Gibson all remind of those DBs you'd see at FSU in the late 1990's
Conyer ain't bad either.
in 2024 we have Beasley, Goree, and probably Carter. And some other talented guys by the way we're recruiting.

by 2024 we'll have a serious secondary. You'll see the improvements this season.
And they're not playing in vacuum with just receivers. We have some premier talent at edge and DL to pressure the QB.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

It’s going to take some time.. I hope everyone understands that.
Imo 3 to 4 more classes until we have the legit depth in the secondary..
Matching Bama and uga in recruiting the secondary is not currently possible but we are growing.
Most people don’t truly understand where we are as a program in the back end. It’s not great

I agree, but if we can get some game wreckers up front and disrupt the QB, it will the make the guys job on the back end a lot easier. I think we’re doing a good job with that

 

[RockyTopTexas]

We're not that far away in talent from Alabama in the secondary. Did you see them last year?
UGA was a different story. They were far ahead in secondary talent than Alabama. They showed that at the combine.

Last year, our secondary was stretched thin to compound the lack of talent.
So at times they looked worse than they already were.
We brought in Jack Slaughter- one of the most versatile DBs in the south last year.
- Gibson and Matthews who were also recruited heavily by LSU, UGA, and Texas
Jeudy Lali was a starter for BYU' defense

But those 1st 3 are true SEC talented guys. Matthews, Slaughter, and Gibson all remind of those DBs you'd see at FSU in the late 1990's
Conyer ain't bad either.
in 2024 we have Beasley, Goree, and probably Carter. And some other talented guys by the way we're recruiting.

by 2024 we'll have a serious secondary. You'll see the improvements this season.
And they're not playing in vacuum with just receivers. We have some premier talent at edge and DL to pressure the QB.

I have to disagree. How can we have a serious secondary in 24’ when we don’t have 1 true starter in the back end currently. 24 is in 2 years. Imo that’s non sense.
If what you are saying happens those freshman start day 1.. and that won’t be good

 

[RDU VOL#14]

I have to disagree. How can we have a serious secondary in 24’ when we don’t have 1 true starter in the back end currently. 24 is in 2 years. Imo that’s non sense.
If what you are saying happens those freshman start day 1.. and that won’t be good

Have to hit the portal hard. That could be the difference in 8-4 and the CFP.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

It’s going to take some time.. I hope everyone understands that.
Imo 3 to 4 more classes until we have the legit depth in the secondary..
Matching Bama and uga in recruiting the secondary is not currently possible but we are growing.
Most people don’t truly understand where we are as a program in the back end. It’s not great

3 or 4 classes to address legitimate depth in the secondary is ridiculous especially with the abundance of prospects that come available in the transfer portal.

 

[RockyTopTexas]

3 or 4 classes to address legitimate depth in the secondary is ridiculous especially with the abundance of prospects that come available in the transfer portal.

Respectfully… This shows me your knowledge of the program

 

[RockyTopTexas]

Have to hit the portal hard. That could be the difference in 8-4 and the CFP.

The portal hasn’t brought in anything special as of yet back there. Hopefully

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Respectfully… This shows me your knowledge of the program

So Heupel has to be in year 6 or 7 to have sufficient depth in the back end? Do you think this is Dooley level recruiting?

 

[OffTackleVol]

We're not that far away in talent from Alabama in the secondary. Did you see them last year?
UGA was a different story. They were far ahead in secondary talent than Alabama. They showed that at the combine.

Last year, our secondary was stretched thin to compound the lack of talent.
So at times they looked worse than they already were.
We brought in Jack Slaughter- one of the most versatile DBs in the south last year.
- Gibson and Matthews who were also recruited heavily by LSU, UGA, and Texas
Jeudy Lali was a starter for BYU' defense

But those 1st 3 are true SEC talented guys. Matthews, Slaughter, and Gibson all remind of those DBs you'd see at FSU in the late 1990's
Conyer ain't bad either.
in 2024 we have Beasley, Goree, and probably Carter. And some other talented guys by the way we're recruiting.

by 2024 we'll have a serious secondary. You'll see the improvements this season.
And they're not playing in vacuum with just receivers. We have some premier talent at edge and DL to pressure the QB.

Agree with all of this. Our defense this coming season should be much improved and could be the best group in many seasons. Our Dline has talented starters and quality depth. Much potential at LB. We've recruited well at DB. Love the direction we're going as a program..........

 

[RockyTopTexas]

So Heupel has to be in year 6 or 7 to have sufficient depth in the back end? Do you think this is Dooley level recruiting?

So maybe we have different definitions of what depth is. So here is mine and how I see it.
Tennessee has always recruited well
Heup has now made a clear effort to recruit the secondary. He sees there is a glaring issue as do we.
Now.. bringing in 5,6 guys a class is great but that doesn’t mean they will develop.
Depth imo means 5 starters any given day. A plug in play defense no drop off. We aren’t close to this.
It will take 3 or 4 classes to find 2 guys in each class that actually have what it takes.
So 2 legit players a year maybe that can legit start any given Saturday again with no drop off is hopefully what we can bring in over the next few classes

Just having guys isn’t real depth.

 

[vegasvolfan]

We have a potent offense. It buzz for the Vols. The Heup it seems, is now seeking to defense buzz. My theory? In addition to seriously improving our defense, he's doing much more than that. Say what!? I figure he knows our success will provoke opponents to copy his schemes, which Clemson says they will. So, he's putting together a defense capable of stopping his own style of offense. OHHHH, what an ebil schemer!
Source: Tennessee Stockpiling Young and Exciting Secondary Talent During Spring Camp | Rocky Top Insider

I think once it gets to the twos and threws having Nico and thay deep receiving group will give those twos and threes a lot more value as far as practice goes.

 

[Golfprovol]

We have a potent offense. It buzz for the Vols. The Heup it seems, is now seeking to defense buzz. My theory? In addition to seriously improving our defense, he's doing much more than that. Say what!? I figure he knows our success will provoke opponents to copy his schemes, which Clemson says they will. So, he's putting together a defense capable of stopping his own style of offense. OHHHH, what an ebil schemer!
Source: Tennessee Stockpiling Young and Exciting Secondary Talent During Spring Camp | Rocky Top Insider

I dont think that many teams will copy us. They're are not that many head coaches who are going to change personnel, style, and coaches in order to do so. Most arent going to revamp their roster to copy what they probably think is a fad. UGA won 2 titles with old school football....dont you think most would copy that?

 

[WoodsmanVol]

I dont think that many teams will copy us. They're are not that many head coaches who are going to change personnel, style, and coaches in order to do so. Most arent going to revamp their roster to copy what they probably think is a fad. UGA won 2 titles with old school football....dont you think most would copy that?

Like teaching, football coaching is a profession that welcomes fads. Both have their innovators, theorists, experimenters, always in search of the next James Moffett, Dr. Benjamin Spock, Open-Classroom, Behaviorism, Cognitivism, Constructivism, or some such newfangled methodological hookum-pookum. We saw it with the T formation,, I formation, Single back, Single wing, Pistol, Wishbone, and myriad other formations. We will see coaches implement new concept they think will promote continued success. That's they way it's always been. The pedagogical and coaching professions, being twins, are, by default, faddists. Look at Dabo, at Clemson and what he is set to do. He won't be alone.

 

[camp_steveo]

No, he is preparing UT's defense to beat UGA, along with Alabama, Florida and the rest of the SEC. But especially UGA. Clemson is pretty far down on the radar now.

 

[VolRage]

3 or 4 classes to address legitimate depth in the secondary is ridiculous especially with the abundance of prospects that come available in the transfer portal.

Yep. According to an expert or two on here it seems our Vols won’t have a legit secondary until 2040.

 

[livefaith]

I agree, but if we can get some game wreckers up front and disrupt the QB, it will the make the guys job on the back end a lot easier. I think we’re doing a good job with that

Got a feeling Omari Thomas is about to make a national name for himself this year.

 

[livefaith]

Yep. According to an expert or two on here it seems our Vols won’t have a legit secondary until 2040.

:-D Yeah, but I have to give CJH & Co a ton of credit for stacking our DB room with depth. It's not like we were full of AAs back there. But on year 2 to have the serviceable depth that we had after Cornbread left is really awesome. Our attrition was outrageous back there. It got dire late in the Bama game when we were forced to play a walk-on to hang on for that win. It looks like he's raising the bar again this year. I am really impressed in the midst of this process.

 

[SonOfGodVolforlife]

We're not that far away in talent from Alabama in the secondary. Did you see them last year?
UGA was a different story. They were far ahead in secondary talent than Alabama. They showed that at the combine.

Last year, our secondary was stretched thin to compound the lack of talent.
So at times they looked worse than they already were.
We brought in Jack Slaughter- one of the most versatile DBs in the south last year.
- Gibson and Matthews who were also recruited heavily by LSU, UGA, and Texas
Jeudy Lali was a starter for BYU' defense

But those 1st 3 are true SEC talented guys. Matthews, Slaughter, and Gibson all remind of those DBs you'd see at FSU in the late 1990's
Conyer ain't bad either.
in 2024 we have Beasley, Goree, and probably Carter. And some other talented guys by the way we're recruiting.

by 2024 we'll have a serious secondary. You'll see the improvements this season.
And they're not playing in vacuum with just receivers. We have some premier talent at edge and DL to pressure the QB.

We’re nowhere close to Alabama in depth at secondary my friend. They might have had a bad year statistically last season, but let’s not kid ourselves. Alabama has plenty of 4 and 5 star defensive backs. like another poster was saying, it’s going to take a few seasons to get that stockpile.
This is the most important season imo.

 

[Volnanza]

What one needs to consider is that the NFL will be cherry picking our best players every year. Lets say you have three 5 star players that play like 5 star players. Next year you sign 2 more. Now you have 5, right? Wrong. You only have 2. The others left early for the league. It's like trying to inflate a balloon with a hole. It takes TIME.