Heupel and current players recruiting for cultural fit

[VolForLife83]

"We're constantly trying to avoid and trying to break that stereotype of us getting in trouble and doing things we're not supposed to be doing and all that stuff," explained Warren recently on Off the Hook Sports.

"We are trying to recruit and trying to get a certain type of person," continued Warren. "I think that every time that you know, at least every time I've hosted a recruit, you're going to have that honest conversation with the coach of like, 'Hey, this guy does not fit in our culture. He's going to be a problem. He is going to cause issues'".


Full article here. Worth the read.

https://atozsports.com/.amp/nashville/vols-tennessee-sometimes-news-josh-heupel-recruiting/

 

[njvols]

This model has worked for Barnes. Recruit high character guys who have the drive and mental capacity to "buy in and execute" a common goal...formula for success for sure.

 

[walkenvol]

This model has worked for Barnes. Recruit high character guys who have the drive and mental capacity to "buy in and execute" a common goal...formula for success for sure.

You’ve not been keeping up. I read on here repeatedly that the ONLY way for success is recruiting more 5*’s

 

[Volador]

Just had an interesting thought. Could it be possible that NIL is going to keep some of college football 4 & 5 stars from getting in trouble? The temptations to many athletes are many, and many are quite perilous. However, if some of our top talent sign NIL deals, will these young athletes feel more compelled to stay away from the typical distractions and temptations that they may have fell prey to without NIL?

In essence, I am trying to find some good in NIL

 

[VOLfrombama]

Just another reason to feel good about the head man over there

 

[GetEmVols]

You’ve not been keeping up. I read on here repeatedly that the ONLY way for success is recruiting more 5*’s

Seems to be working for the people winning championships. (Bama and Georgia top recruiting yearly)

 

[butchna]

Just had an interesting thought. Could it be possible that NIL is going to keep some of college football 4 & 5 stars from getting in trouble? The temptations to many athletes are many, and many are quite perilous. However, if some of our top talent sign NIL deals, will these young athletes feel more compelled to stay away from the typical distractions and temptations that they may have fell prey to without NIL?

In essence, I am trying to find some good in NIL

Yet Ja Morant has all the money in the world and found a way to endanger his career.

 

[jeff1vol]

You’ve not been keeping up. I read on here repeatedly that the ONLY way for success is recruiting more 5*’s

It all depends on your definition of "success".

 

[tennesseeduke]

Yet Ja Morant has all the money in the world and found a way to endanger his career.

You can’t fix stupid with all the money!

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

You’ve not been keeping up. I read on here repeatedly that the ONLY way for success is recruiting more 5*’s

It’s the only way to win national championships.

 

[peaygolf]

Yet Ja Morant has all the money in the world and found a way to endanger his career.

Morans go to Mu**ay State.

 

[Deathandtaxes]

Kinda what it feels like with the OL recruit that came in last weekend, just dropped him. That’s super encouraging to hear.

 

[BigBadVol]

Seems to be working for the people winning championships. (Bama and Georgia top recruiting yearly)

Yea, and they are starting to see those 4 and 5 stars getting into trouble again and again. They just did a story on GA.

 

[VolFreakJosh]

It’s the only way to win national championships.

Why hasn’t Jimbo won a National Championship with Texas A&M then?

 

[sjt18]

You’ve not been keeping up. I read on here repeatedly that the ONLY way for success is recruiting more 5*’s

There is an extraordinarily pragmatic aspect to what they're doing. Even if a guy has more talent it does you no good if you cannot develop him or he's a risk to miss games due to grades or conduct.

You cannot coach guys who aren't eligible or leave the program.

 

[sjt18]

It’s the only way to win national championships.

No. The only way to win national championships is to find, sign, and develop talented players. Has nothing to do with whether the recruiting sites paste a subjective 5* rating on them or not.

You do have to find, sign, and develop players with similar eventual ability to the guys that Smart and Saban have. But they aren't using an On3 membership to figure out who to recruit.

 

[sjt18]

Why hasn’t Jimbo won a National Championship with Texas A&M then?

Not just Jimbo. I appreciate 247's transparency in posting roster rankings according to the "star" system every year. BOT says what he says because he thinks somehow the recruiting sites are the ones correctly evaluating the best players... and not Saban, Smart, Day, and Dabo.

He will always say, "See there, Bama/UGA/Clemson/OSU are the top teams and were in the top 10 of the recruiting rankings." But that's not a good or at least complete measure of accuracy.

UGA was the 2nd most talented team in the country according to 247's composite. OSU was #3. Good so far... but then Michigan was #13. TCU was #32. Those latter two should NEVER happen if the recruiting sites are accurate the way some of these guys believe.

UT at #19 played #1, #2, #5, and #8... winning 3 of the four and winning two by comfortable margins. If they recruiting sites were as good as BOT thinks then this would never happen.... and especially when you consider these teams didn't have chump coaches. Two have recent NC's.

The most damning thing though is the notable failures among the top 10 or 25 if you prefer. A&M had a losing record. Texas was 8-5 in a very weak conference. OU had a losing record. ND was a mediocre 9-4 with a loss to Marshall.

These top 10 teams shouldn't be having losing seasons. They should not be losing to teams like Marshall. If 4 or 5 of your "top 10" most talented teams according to your "expert" evaluations are mediocre or worse... that's just not accurate.

2022 College Football Team Talent Composite

 

[RockIslandvol76]

Just had an interesting thought. Could it be possible that NIL is going to keep some of college football 4 & 5 stars from getting in trouble? The temptations to many athletes are many, and many are quite perilous. However, if some of our top talent sign NIL deals, will these young athletes feel more compelled to stay away from the typical distractions and temptations that they may have fell prey to without NIL?

In essence, I am trying to find some good in NIL

Money normally magnifies good or bad behavior. One with enough money can afford to be really good or really bad. The NIL will help identify the character of a player rather quickly.

 

[Volador]

Money normally magnifies good or bad behavior. One with enough money can afford to be really good or really bad. The NIL will help identify the character of a player rather quickly.

So you're saying that there is chance that the NIL money might, just might keep some of these elite athletes out of the slammer?? If that happens, than I am a bit more in favor of the NIL, which up until today, I was totally opposed to.

 

[BruisedOrange]

So you're saying that there is chance that the NIL money might, just might keep some of these elite athletes out of the slammer?? If that happens, than I am a bit more in favor of the NIL, which up until today, I was totally opposed to.

If they were adults, maybe. But consider that in males, the prefrontal cortex doesn't reach full development until around age 30.

Significance?

Consider some of the functions controlled (or not!) by the prefrontal cortex:

reasoning​

impulse-control​

empathy​

insight​

moral awareness​

predicting the consequences of one's actions​

So think back to the last dozen stories you've read about a college athlete throwing away his future by doing something foolhardy, or overreacting to some disagreement. It takes a lot of very intentional parenting to overcome a teenage male's handicapped capability for sound judgement.

Also worth noting is time spent playing computer games that reward impulse/immediate response, and smartphones which artificially "push" answers or products to us as soon as (or even before) we start to seek them. Those certainly aren't helping develop patience or thoughtful reasoning.

I'm afraid the promise of NIL money is still subject to the player's ability to make immediate decisions based on deferred gratification--which can be a learned behavior to some extent, but is also a measure of personality Conscientiousness, of which not all are born with a high measure.

Recruiting high-character athletes is the best way to assure NIL money gets wisely invested.

 

[livefaith]

No. The only way to win national championships is to find, sign, and develop talented players. Has nothing to do with whether the recruiting sites paste a subjective 5* rating on them or not.

You do have to find, sign, and develop players with similar eventual ability to the guys that Smart and Saban have. But they aren't using an On3 membership to figure out who to recruit.

"the guys the Smart and Saban have". Another way to say that is "4 and 5 star guys".

 

[sjt18]

"the guys the Smart and Saban have". Another way to say that is "4 and 5 star guys".

No. I didn't say the "guys they have." I said they could develop to a similar level of ability.

Smart and Saban are going to get their guys. There are lots of other great players out there.... and a lot of them do not have 4 or 5 star ratings.

 

[Volador]

If they were adults, maybe. But consider that in males, the prefrontal cortex doesn't reach full development until around age 30.

Significance?

Consider some of the functions controlled (or not!) by the prefrontal cortex:

reasoning​

impulse-control​

empathy​

insight​

moral awareness​

predicting the consequences of one's actions​

So think back to the last dozen stories you've read about a college athlete throwing away his future by doing something foolhardy, or overreacting to some disagreement. It takes a lot of very intentional parenting to overcome a teenage male's handicapped capability for sound judgement.

Also worth noting is time spent playing computer games that reward impulse/immediate response, and smartphones which artificially "push" answers or products to us as soon as (or even before) we start to seek them. Those certainly aren't helping develop patience or thoughtful reasoning.

I'm afraid the promise of NIL money is still subject to the player's ability to make immediate decisions based on deferred gratification--which can be a learned behavior to some extent, but is also a measure of personality Conscientiousness, of which not all are born with a high measure.

Recruiting high-character athletes is the best way to assure NIL money gets wisely invested.

So, you are saying that money can exacerbate the male prefrontal cortex erectus? This is a classic that demonstrates your genious: (worth the watch - hilarious)

COPYTHIShttps://southpark.cc.com/video-clips/1ytl21/south-park-the-only-explanation

 

[SpookyAction]

Not just Jimbo. I appreciate 247's transparency in posting roster rankings according to the "star" system every year. BOT says what he says because he thinks somehow the recruiting sites are the ones correctly evaluating the best players... and not Saban, Smart, Day, and Dabo.

He will always say, "See there, Bama/UGA/Clemson/OSU are the top teams and were in the top 10 of the recruiting rankings." But that's not a good or at least complete measure of accuracy.

UGA was the 2nd most talented team in the country according to 247's composite. OSU was #3. Good so far... but then Michigan was #13. TCU was #32. Those latter two should NEVER happen if the recruiting sites are accurate the way some of these guys believe.

UT at #19 played #1, #2, #5, and #8... winning 3 of the four and winning two by comfortable margins. If they recruiting sites were as good as BOT thinks then this would never happen.... and especially when you consider these teams didn't have chump coaches. Two have recent NC's.

The most damning thing though is the notable failures among the top 10 or 25 if you prefer. A&M had a losing record. Texas was 8-5 in a very weak conference. OU had a losing record. ND was a mediocre 9-4 with a loss to Marshall.

These top 10 teams shouldn't be having losing seasons. They should not be losing to teams like Marshall. If 4 or 5 of your "top 10" most talented teams according to your "expert" evaluations are mediocre or worse... that's just not accurate.

2022 College Football Team Talent Composite

Heupel inherited some talented players, but he helped them play like 5-star juniors and seniors, not 5-star high school playyers.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

I truly believe CJH is recruiting a more high character player than some of our past coaches, however at the same time this is a standard message board narrative you can find on almost any team's board, i.e.: a) the players we recruit are of high caliber and b) the players who don't pick us we didn't want anyway because they were of low character/didn't fit our culture. It's the fan gonna fan playbook.