Holiday bowl canceled

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Without getting into the pointlessness of testing asymptomatic people, the sheer lunacy of all these protocols....college football teams have close to 100 players on the roster. Let the walk ons play and play the damn game.
 
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voltnh said:
Without getting into the pointlessness of testing asymptomatic people, the sheer lunacy of all these protocols....college football teams have close to 100 players on the roster. Let the walk ons play and play the damn game.
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UCLA apparently lost most of their defensive front. Checking the depth chart, they're mostly just 2 deep at those positions. That's all they have.

You can't expect a team to play with 2nd string corners subbing in at nose tackle, can you?
 
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voltnh said:
I think you give these athletes too little credit.
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==I== give them too little credit? Seriously?

Perhaps you should rethink that. What would happen if I was the OC of NC State would be to double team some undersized, clueless CB/LB for about 3 plays, then run a trap on him and literally knock him out.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Seems reasonable. 🙄

I suggest you line up play after play with some OLineman who knows how to play the position and outweighs you by about 50lbs.

You'll last about 5 minutes.
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So, would your position be the same if this was a regular season game?

Personally, I think that if a team is unable to play at the agreed date, it should be a forfeit and count as a loss for the other team. If that were the case, I have a feeling a great deal of these cancellations would not be happening.
 
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stolitonic said:
So, would your position be the same if this was a regular season game?

Personally, I think that if a team is unable to play at the agreed date, it should be a forfeit and count as a loss for the other team. If that were the case, I have a feeling a great deal of these cancellations would not be happening.
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It's demonstrating that there's too many meaningless, nothing but TV money, bowl games.

It's NOT the regular season. It's meaningless hence the UCLA team was at SeaWorld yesterday or the day before...... vacationing, unconcerned if they can't play.

Only fans (and perhaps admins hoping for bowl money) care. The teams realize the Holiday Bowl is nothing.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
==I== give them too little credit? Seriously?

Perhaps you should rethink that. What would happen if I was the OC of NC State would be to double team some undersized, clueless CB/LB for about 3 plays, then run a trap on him and literally knock him out.
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Firstly, let's assume your original premise is correct, that the entire defensive front for ucla is out. Your notion that they are only "2 deep" is preposterous. A quick Google search shows that they have 14 players listed at defensive line. Now, they may not all be scholarship players, but they have bodies they could play that are heftier than a cornerback. They also have nearly 20 listed as offensive lineman; I'm sure more than a few of those big 'uns played on the defensive side at some point in their lives. As you so aptly stated, it's a meaningless bowl game...let em play.

Secondly, and a more realistic viewpoint, it's probably safe to say that most of these positive tests for UCLA, and other teams, are asymptomatic, which means there is no scientific reason why they couldn't play.

To reiterate my main point, play the damn game.
 
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voltnh said:
Firstly, let's assume your original premise is correct, that the entire defensive front for ucla is out. Your notion that they are only "2 deep" is preposterous. A quick Google search shows that they have 14 players listed at defensive line. Now, they may not all be scholarship players, but they have bodies they could play that are heftier than a cornerback. They also have nearly 20 listed as offensive lineman; I'm sure more than a few of those big 'uns played on the defensive side at some point in their lives. As you so aptly stated, it's a meaningless bowl game...let em play.

Secondly, and a more realistic viewpoint, it's probably safe to say that most of these positive tests for UCLA, and other teams, are asymptomatic, which means there is no scientific reason why they couldn't play.

To reiterate my main point, play the damn game.
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You're ridiculously disrespectful to the big uglies. Is it a "skill" position? You try to fight off a swim move OR have a decent chance rushing against a guy who defends it daily for the last several years.

Your notion that "well, he played D a few times in Middle School, he's ready to play in college because he's big" is disrespectful of the linemen. Period.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
It's demonstrating that there's too many meaningless, nothing but TV money, bowl games.

It's NOT the regular season. It's meaningless hence the UCLA team was at SeaWorld yesterday or the day before...... vacationing, unconcerned if they can't play.

Only fans (and perhaps admins hoping for bowl money) care. The teams realize the Holiday Bowl is nothing.
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Once again, you are not answering my question. Merely arguing other points in order to obfuscate the fact that you are not answering the question.
 
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stolitonic said:
Once again, you are not answering my question. Merely arguing other points in order to obfuscate the fact that you are not answering the question.
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All failures to play in regular season games should start from being a forfeit if there's not some explanation (hurricane, etc) truly beyond the team's control.

I duck nothing, kid. The bowl games AREN'T regular season games and many ARE meaningless. Not playing in them simply doesn't matter.
 
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Leave it to the players. If they want to play, then let them... Enough of the fear porn already...
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
You're ridiculously disrespectful to the big uglies. Is it a "skill" position? You try to fight off a swim move OR have a decent chance rushing against a guy who defends it daily for the last several years.

Your notion that "well, he played D a few times in Middle School, he's ready to play in college because he's big" is disrespectful of the linemen. Period.
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Someone is easily triggered....

It's football. And these guys are athletes. They'll be alright.
 
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voltnh said:
Someone is easily triggered....

It's football. And these guys are athletes. They'll be alright.
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I'm not triggered at all. I'm just being serious. If TN lost their entire QB room, should they play because they have some guys who played QB in HS?

They can't possibly have a decent game that way. I think the NFL made Denver play with no QB...... just ridiculous. That was a regular season game but it was ugly.

Call it a forfeit, but don't risk getting guys embarrassed trying to do something they aren't trained to do. Does your company just "sub someone in" if you're not there? If so, your job isn't very meaningful to the business.
 
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stolitonic said:
So, would your position be the same if this was a regular season game?

Personally, I think that if a team is unable to play at the agreed date, it should be a forfeit and count as a loss for the other team. If that were the case, I have a feeling a great deal of these cancellations would not be happening.
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Not that I’m the AD for UCLA or anything, but I assume the health and safety of their players is more important than competing in the “historic” Holiday Bowl
 
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Boston Vol said:
I won’t feel good about the Music City bowl actually being played until around 2:00 on Thursday.
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If this continues I don't know how people spend money buying tickets. Even if they play the game, sitting 10 players could mean a vastly different product on the field.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
UCLA apparently lost most of their defensive front. Checking the depth chart, they're mostly just 2 deep at those positions. That's all they have.

You can't expect a team to play with 2nd string corners subbing in at nose tackle, can you?
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If you are going to have nonsensical rules in place, then you move forward with the nonsensical results.
 
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Fightmaker said:
If you are going to have nonsensical rules in place, then you move forward with the nonsensical results.
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The rules are nonsense.

Having a bunch of useless bowls that are mostly about giving ESPN something to air and sell millions of dollars of ads for is also nonsense.

We're like junkies though who shake and tremble if we don't get our football games. It's comical.
 
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BreatheUT said:
If this continues I don't know how people spend money buying tickets. Even if they play the game, sitting 10 players could mean a vastly different product on the field.
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They REALLY don't care about attendence at ESPN who owns/runs a lot of these bowls because they're selling millions in TV ads.

If we stop watching..... but we won't..... they'll change.
 
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voltnh said:
Firstly, let's assume your original premise is correct, that the entire defensive front for ucla is out. Your notion that they are only "2 deep" is preposterous. A quick Google search shows that they have 14 players listed at defensive line. Now, they may not all be scholarship players, but they have bodies they could play that are heftier than a cornerback. They also have nearly 20 listed as offensive lineman; I'm sure more than a few of those big 'uns played on the defensive side at some point in their lives. As you so aptly stated, it's a meaningless bowl game...let em play.

Secondly, and a more realistic viewpoint, it's probably safe to say that most of these positive tests for UCLA, and other teams, are asymptomatic, which means there is no scientific reason why they couldn't play.

To reiterate my main point, play the damn game.
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If they aren't running a fever and had covid previously or are vaccinated... Play the game and let them play.
 
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