Holly Has Improved UT In One Huge Area

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In Pat's last year 2010-2011 the Lady Vols lost over 700k, last year they actually turned a 29k profit. For those that think that a drop in attendance will affect a decision to keep Holly or not..you simply do not understand the economics of women's sports. Even with sellouts, UConn loses nearly a million per year. Heck if she keeps up the small profit, Hart may give her an extension :)


The University of Connecticut's run at a third consecutive women's basketball championship comes with the trappings of a world-class sports event, including a national television audience and rowdy fans in blue wigs and face paint
.

The Huskies dominate on the court, and can sell out arenas. What they lose is money. The program spent $723,900 more than it earned in fiscal 2010.



"There is intrinsic value in being able to carry your own weight," McGlade said. "For the amount of resources going into intercollegiate women's basketball, there's going to be a time where there has to be a rational decision of, is it worth it?"

Bloomberg News used open records laws to obtain financial reports of state schools in the six conferences: Atlantic Coast, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-10 and Southeastern. The 20 private schools in the conferences aren't required to make such records public.

Each of the 53 teams lost money in the 2010 fiscal year, and the average operating deficit was $2.01 million on an average $804,577 of revenue, according to the reports. The University of Tennessee, ranked fourth in The Associated Press Top 25, lost $713,997, while No. 7 Texas A&M University had a $2.8 million shortfall. No. 12 Michigan State University was $2.01 million in the red.




Here are the numbers from Holly's 2nd year.
Women's Team Expenses: $4,813,394
›Women's Team Revenue: $4,837,245
›Women's Team Profit: $23,851.
 
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In Pat's last year 2010-2011 the Lady Vols lost over 700k, last year they actually turned a 29k profit. For those that think that a drop in attendance will affect a decision to keep Holly or not..you simply do not understand the economics of women's sports. Even with sellouts, UConn loses nearly a million per year. Heck if she keeps up the small profit, Hart may give her an extension :)


The University of Connecticut's run at a third consecutive women's basketball championship comes with the trappings of a world-class sports event, including a national television audience and rowdy fans in blue wigs and face paint
.

The Huskies dominate on the court, and can sell out arenas. What they lose is money. The program spent $723,900 more than it earned in fiscal 2010.



"There is intrinsic value in being able to carry your own weight," McGlade said. "For the amount of resources going into intercollegiate women's basketball, there's going to be a time where there has to be a rational decision of, is it worth it?"

Bloomberg News used open records laws to obtain financial reports of state schools in the six conferences: Atlantic Coast, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-10 and Southeastern. The 20 private schools in the conferences aren't required to make such records public.

Each of the 53 teams lost money in the 2010 fiscal year, and the average operating deficit was $2.01 million on an average $804,577 of revenue, according to the reports. The University of Tennessee, ranked fourth in The Associated Press Top 25, lost $713,997, while No. 7 Texas A&M University had a $2.8 million shortfall. No. 12 Michigan State University was $2.01 million in the red.




Here is the numbers from Holly's 2nd year.
Women's Team Expenses: $4,813,394
›Women's Team Revenue: $4,837,245
›Women's Team Profit: $23,851.

Women's revenue will substantially drop if Holly remains the coach.
 
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Perhaps the Huskies have a more expensive overhead than the LVs do.

They do but 2.67 million loss per year is a lot of money
Connecticut
Expenses (Women's Team)
$6.66
million
Revenue (Women's Team)
$3.99
million
Womens Team Profit
-$2.67
University of Connecticut Basketball Finances | Revenues & Expenditures


Tennessee
Expenses (Women's Team)
$4.81
million
Revenue (Women's Team)
$4.84
million
Womens Team Profit
$23,851
The University of Tennessee-Knoxville Basketball Finances | Revenues & Expenditures
 
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How is this possible? A friend of mine w the program said we were one of the few women's programs in the nation that actually made a profit. I see that is true now. (This was for a discussion on paying college athletes also.)

Edit: What is Holly or our women's program doing differently to actually make a profit?
 
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They do but 2.67 million loss per year is a lot of money
Connecticut
Expenses (Women's Team)
$6.66
million
Revenue (Women's Team)
$3.99
million
Womens Team Profit
-$2.67
University of Connecticut Basketball Finances | Revenues & Expenditures


Tennessee
Expenses (Women's Team)
$4.81
million
Revenue (Women's Team)
$4.84
million
Womens Team Profit
$23,851
The University of Tennessee-Knoxville Basketball Finances | Revenues & Expenditures

Connecticut is so stupid. They should just fire the coach they have now and hire Holly. That would solve their problems.

This turning profit issue is an old canard. At most public universities, the only sports that turn a profit are football and maybe men's basketball (in a very small amount).

Football subsidizes all the other sports. And I'm not just talking about women's sports. Baseball, tennis, diving, swimming, etc.

Believe me, money can, and will, be found if it is deemed a priority. Just ask Bob Shoop.
 
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In Pat's last year 2010-2011 the Lady Vols lost over 700k, last year they actually turned a 29k profit. For those that think that a drop in attendance will affect a decision to keep Holly or not..you simply do not understand the economics of women's sports. Even with sellouts, UConn loses nearly a million per year. Heck if she keeps up the small profit, Hart may give her an extension :)


The University of Connecticut's run at a third consecutive women's basketball championship comes with the trappings of a world-class sports event, including a national television audience and rowdy fans in blue wigs and face paint
.

The Huskies dominate on the court, and can sell out arenas. What they lose is money. The program spent $723,900 more than it earned in fiscal 2010.



"There is intrinsic value in being able to carry your own weight," McGlade said. "For the amount of resources going into intercollegiate women's basketball, there's going to be a time where there has to be a rational decision of, is it worth it?"

Bloomberg News used open records laws to obtain financial reports of state schools in the six conferences: Atlantic Coast, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-10 and Southeastern. The 20 private schools in the conferences aren't required to make such records public.

Each of the 53 teams lost money in the 2010 fiscal year, and the average operating deficit was $2.01 million on an average $804,577 of revenue, according to the reports. The University of Tennessee, ranked fourth in The Associated Press Top 25, lost $713,997, while No. 7 Texas A&M University had a $2.8 million shortfall. No. 12 Michigan State University was $2.01 million in the red.




Here are the numbers from Holly's 2nd year.
Women's Team Expenses: $4,813,394
›Women's Team Revenue: $4,837,245
›Women's Team Profit: $23,851.

So gaining revenue is more important than winning?
 
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The Gampel Arena seats 10,167. TBB seats 20,000+. LV average attendance in the year referenced was 10.4 K, a little over 50%. UConn was 8.2 K, a little over 80%. Not sure what any of that means with out seeing both income statements, but it would seem that the more tickets you sell the more likely you are to hit break even or better. UConn's arena and fan interest appear to be more limited than UT's.

But attributing a barely over breakeven to Holly is a stretch at best. Her comp is far less than Pat's. If it was similar it would have been a big loss. Losing like they are this season will only worsen the situation.

Source:
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/w_basketball_RB/reports/Attend/15att.pdf
 
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Were the Women's UTAD salaries part of the women's team expenses in 2010-2011?

If so, then Dave Hart is the reason for the profits.
 
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Connecticut is so stupid. They should just fire the coach they have now and hire Holly. That would solve their problems.

This turning profit issue is an old canard. At most public universities, the only sports that turn a profit are football and maybe men's basketball (in a very small amount).

Football subsidizes all the other sports. And I'm not just talking about women's sports. Baseball, tennis, diving, swimming, etc.

Believe me, money can, and will, be found if it is deemed a priority. Just ask Bob Shoop.

I would gladly run a deficit to win championships..it was worth it for Pat even when she wasn't winning because of the prestige and publicity she brought to the uni..I think Holly has earned the right to try to right this ship..and I'm not sure there is a guaranteed answer out there with another coach
 
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Connecticut is so stupid. They should just fire the coach they have now and hire Holly. That would solve their problems.

This turning profit issue is an old canard. At most public universities, the only sports that turn a profit are football and maybe men's basketball (in a very small amount).

Football subsidizes all the other sports. And I'm not just talking about women's sports. Baseball, tennis, diving, swimming, etc.

Believe me, money can, and will, be found if it is deemed a priority. Just ask Bob Shoop.

I don't know where UConn gets their money..maybe from TV or the conference...their football team loses 6 million a year and the men's bball only makes 1 million in profit..UT men's bball makes a 11 million dollar profit a year which is equal to the deficit that UConn runs for their entire AD


Expenses (Men's Team)
$14.2
million
Revenue (Men's Team)
$8.31
million
Profit (Men's Team)
-$5.92
million
 
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I would gladly run a deficit to win championships..it was worth it for Pat even when she wasn't winning because of the prestige and publicity she brought to the uni..I think Holly has earned the right to try to right this ship..and I'm not sure there is a guaranteed answer out there with another coach

Dave's bread and butter are football and men's basketball. He will conserve and funnel every penny possible into those two sports. But, more than anything football. As long as CBJ keeps winning everything else would just be icing on the cake.
 
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I'm not ready to fire Holly yet...the woman is a HOFer and a VFL..I'd like to see what happens next year if she can't get it done..the coach I would hire is Vic Schaefer..we could double his salary and he would still be making less than Holly..guy can coach

Vic Schaefer - Mississippi State University Bulldogs Official Athletic Site - HailState.com

Yea that's just what we need, another year to fall further and let more recruits slip away (oh sorry we didn't have any). I heard that in football, and look how long it has taken us to come back. If she can't coach and DISCIPLINE 7 all Americans this year, what makes next year any different.
 
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If Connecticut fired geno and hired holly their program would be in the tank just like ours is within 3 years! The fact that she is a Hofer or VFL is irrelevant and winning is the goal ! She sucks as a coach and waiting another year only means that we have another losing pathetic season ! 7 all Americans on the team, and we are going to finish in the bottom half of the conference, in jeopardy of losing the most games in a single season, in jeopardy of not making the NCAA tournament for the first time ever! Not 1 player in the espn top 100 coming in and your ok with this?? She is killing the lady vol brand!
 
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I'm not ready to fire Holly yet...the woman is a HOFer and a VFL..I'd like to see what happens next year if she can't get it done..the coach I would hire is Vic Schaefer..we could double his salary and he would still be making less than Holly..guy can coach

Vic Schaefer - Mississippi State University Bulldogs Official Athletic Site - HailState.com

You cant be serious. You need another year to see if she can get it done ? I hate to break it to you but Holly is not a HOFer and if she really was a VFL she would of already resigned instead of finishing off the basketball program.
 
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You cant be serious. You need another year to see if she can get it done ? I hate to break it to you but Holly is not a HOFer and if she really was a VFL she would of already resigned instead of finishing off the basketball program.

might want to tell UT to update her Bio then...I can't believe you guys seriously think there is even a 1% chance that she loses her job after one down year..and the fact that you guys want her fired says a lot about your character

Collegiate Playing Experience
◾ Tennessee (1976-80)
◾ Warlick's UT teams went 118-23 in her collegiate career
◾ Three-time All-American
◾ Named to U.S. Olympic Team (1980)
◾ First player in the history of UT athletics to have her jersey (22) retired at the end of her career (1980)
◾ Women's Basketball Hall of Fame Inductee (2001)
◾ Tennessee Sports Hall of Fame Inductee (2004)
◾ Greater Knoxville Sports Hall of Fame Inductee (1994)
◾ Lady Vol Hall of Fame Inductee (2002

The University of Tennessee




◾ Head Coach (April 2012-Present)
◾ Associate Head Coach (2005-April 2012)
◾ Assistant Coach (1985-2005)
◾ The Lady Vols are 917-142 during Warlick's tenure, including 86-20 as head coach
◾ After only three years as a head coach, she ranks fifth among active NCAA Division I women's coaches with an .811 winning percentage.
◾ Led UT to 2015 & 2013 SEC regular season championships and NCAA Elite Eight appearances
◾ Guided Tennessee to 2014 SEC Tournament championship.
◾ Served on coaching staff for gold-medal-winning 2015 USA Basketball World University Games Team
◾ Named 2013 Spalding Maggie Dixon Division I Rookie Coach of the Year
◾ Named 2013 SEC Coach of the Year
◾ Named 2013 TSWA Coach of the Year and Volscars Women's Team Coach of the Year
◾ Helped Tennessee capture eight NCAA Championships and attend 16 Final Fours
◾ Named 2007 WBCA Assistant Coach of the Year
 
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I'm going to support and cheer for every UT coach until they are no longer the coach because I refuse to pull for my team to lose just so the coach is fired

I supported Kiffin until he left, I pulled for the dark years of Dooley...I had faith in Butch when some were saying in the FF that we would lose 8 games this year
 
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How is this possible? A friend of mine w the program said we were one of the few women's programs in the nation that actually made a profit. I see that is true now. (This was for a discussion on paying college athletes also.)

Edit: What is Holly or our women's program doing differently to actually make a profit?

not paying CPS salary ? that is a big difference,I think :)


don't quote me on that lol

oh and how many women were let go on the womens side ? that may have figured in a lot too


and lets not forget the SECN money (ESPN)
 

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