Honduran Presidential Conflict

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I cannot believe that our president has sided with the likes of Hugo Chavez and Castro in this situation. The media has totally screwed up this entire conflict by calling it a military coup. The Honduran President Zelaya was planning to hold a referendum that would lead to an illegal change in the Honduran constitution, allowing him to serve more than one term as president. President Zelaya was then found guilty by a Supreme court tribunal and they ordered the military to arrest him for attempting to circumvent Honduras's Congress and courts by staging a referendum. So the Honduran military LEGALLY removed Zelaya from power.
The media is calling this a military coup! And the Obama administration is calling for Zelaya to be put back in power! A man that is trying to illegally change the Honduran constitution so that he can serve more than one term as president!
I never thought I would see the day that our President would agree with dictators like Castro and Chavez. God Bless America, because we're going to need it.
 
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I'm seeing a lot of things these days that I would never have believed. It makes me wonder whether Obama sees himself in Zalaya's situation, say, in about seven years, and that is shaping his response...
 
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I would like to know if the military removing Zelaya was a legal move. Obama says the "coup" was illegal and I know he is an expert on the US Constitution but wonder if he is correct in his assessment of this situation and understanding of the Honduran Constitution.
 
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Relax folks, Obama will allow diplomacy to resolve this issue. No need to worry, nothing to see here.
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allvol123 said:
I would like to know if the military removing Zelaya was a legal move. Obama says the "coup" was illegal and I know he is an expert on the US Constitution but wonder if he is correct in his assessment of this situation and understanding of the Honduran Constitution.
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I've read articles from all over on this situation to try and find out what is really going on. Apparently, if the supreme court finds the president guilty of (insert charge), and he does not step down, the supreme court has the power to legally order the military to remove the president. The Honduran supreme court was behind this entire situation, not just the military. It wasn't a typical "coup" involving some power hungry General like we usually hear.
 
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TEGUCIGALPA, Honduras (AP) -- The Americas' top international diplomat has arrived in Honduras to give the coup-backed government a firm ultimatum: Restore the president within 24 hours or face crippling sanctions.

The head of the interim government is pledging to stand firm in the face of international pressure for the return of ousted President Manuel Zelaya, telling thousands of supporters rallying in front of the national palace: "I am the president of all Hondurans."
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Top diplomat visits Honduras to deliver ultimatum
 
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A detail that is lacking in this thread is that the ousted president was the leader elected by the people for the job, not the new guy.

Also, removing term limits is not the same as permanently seizing power. He still has to be elected. If the prevalent opinion of the population was that he should not be president, the referendum would fail and/or he would not be re-elected.

I don't think it is as cut and dry as it is being made out to be. Everything is always a little messy.
 
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No, they didn't follow the laws I don't think. I don't think the US is the enforcer of Honduran law, though. However the US gets involved, I am just saying this isn't a black or white deal.
 
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IPorange said:
No, they didn't follow the laws I don't think. I don't think the US is the enforcer of Honduran law, though. However the US gets involved, I am just saying this isn't a black or white deal.
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Could you explain how they did not follow their laws? I have read some stuff but not confident yet that I have read anything that I am confident in believing.
 
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IPorange said:
A detail that is lacking in this thread is that the ousted president was the leader elected by the people for the job, not the new guy.

Also, removing term limits is not the same as permanently seizing power. He still has to be elected. If the prevalent opinion of the population was that he should not be president, the referendum would fail and/or he would not be re-elected.

I don't think it is as cut and dry as it is being made out to be. Everything is always a little messy.
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I guess you missed the part where the ousted President was pushing through an unconstitutional vote on this referendum the morning of the ousting... If something has been declared unconstitutional and you are told not to do it and you proceed I think thats grounds for getting ousted... Besides it was a well known fact that Zelaya was in bed with Chavez and Castro. The fact that Chavez threatened to invade to get his boy back in power is enough for me to realize what the Honduran government did was in the right.
 
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bigtime said:
I guess you missed the part where the ousted President was pushing through an unconstitutional vote on this referendum the morning of the ousting... If something has been declared unconstitutional and you are told not to do it and you proceed I think thats grounds for getting ousted... Besides it was a well known fact that Zelaya was in bed with Chavez and Castro. The fact that Chavez threatened to invade to get his boy back in power is enough for me to realize what the Honduran government did was in the right.
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So an unconstitutional ouster should be a big problem for you too, then. Right?
 
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allvol123 said:
Do you think this opinion piece is incorrect?

A 'coup' in Honduras? Nonsense. | csmonitor.com
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By it's own description, the president didn't actually violate the constitution. He showed "intent to" by calling for a national poll. I am pretty sure polls are not unconstitutional. I am not saying he's a good guy, but there isn't anything constitutional about how he was deposed.
 
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IPorange said:
By it's own description, the president didn't actually violate the constitution. He showed "intent to" by calling for a national poll. I am pretty sure polls are not unconstitutional. I am not saying he's a good guy, but there isn't anything constitutional about how he was deposed.
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Every branch of government decided to get rid of a president because they felt he was a threat to their democracy, thats very constitutional.
 
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It seems one of BO's big beefs is the nature of the ouster. Now I see he is adamant about free and fair elections -- ooops, sorry Iran.
 
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IPorange said:
By it's own description, the president didn't actually violate the constitution. He showed "intent to" by calling for a national poll. I am pretty sure polls are not unconstitutional. I am not saying he's a good guy, but there isn't anything constitutional about how he was deposed.
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Then what was the country's Supreme Court ruling on him about?
 
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