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I've often wondered about this. My grandfather, a paratrooper with no love lost for 'Tank Generals' was also one who thought that Patton's end was suspicious, as he was pretty outspoken about the Soviets and their designs.
 
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JTrainDavis said:
I've often wondered about this. My grandfather, a paratrooper with no love lost for 'Tank Generals' was also one who thought that Patton's end was suspicious, as he was pretty outspoken about the Soviets and their designs.
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You might be interested in this book.

Not much doubt in my mind that Patton was assassinated.

I once asked a very nice gentleman who was deeply involved in sub rosa activities during WWII and all he would say is that "Patton wasn't a team player."
 
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gsvol said:
You might be interested in this book.

Not much doubt in my mind that Patton was assassinated.

I once asked a very nice gentleman who was deeply involved in sub rosa activities during WWII and all he would say is that "Patton wasn't a team player."
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And that's what made him so brilliant in wartime, but a huge liability in peacetime.
 
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MontereyVol said:
There are quite a few who would disagree with that.
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I figured that was going to come along sooner or later, but i meant it in the sense of the zest for warfare and leadership shown by guys like GSP, Gavin, Puller, and many from prior generations.

Those i mentioned were the last of a breed, as far as the upper echelons of command went. Boots on the ground guys who weren't politically aware, they were combat leaders first and politicians second.
 
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JTrainDavis said:
I figured that was going to come along sooner or later, but i meant it in the sense of the zest for warfare and leadership shown by guys like GSP, Gavin, Puller, and many from prior generations.

Those i mentioned were the last of a breed, as far as the upper echelons of command went. Boots on the ground guys who weren't politically aware, they were combat leaders first and politicians second.
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i fear the next war against against an equal opponent will defeat us. i think we've become so PC that it will cause the loss of tens of thousands American soldiers. i don't think we have the generals to stand up to politicians like it was in past wars.
 
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joevol320 said:
i fear the next war against against an equal opponent will defeat us. i think we've become so PC that it will cause the loss of tens of thousands American soldiers. i don't think we have the generals to stand up to politicians like it was in past wars.
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Standing up gets your booted out. MacArthur was a rarity in that he got the final word. In the end, he was still shown the door.
 
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joevol320 said:
i fear the next war against against an equal opponent will defeat us. i think we've become so PC that it will cause the loss of tens of thousands American soldiers. i don't think we have the generals to stand up to politicians like it was in past wars.
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incorrect. Total war leads to the demise of the politicians and the rise of the warriors.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
Omar with the blessing of Marshall.

:hi:
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Stalin with the blessing of Roosevelt is more like it.

I wouldn't have any problem believing George Marshall had a hand in the assassination of Patten.

I doubt that Omar Bradley was involved in that though.

To impugn the integrity of Marshall and Truman is to bring into question the motives and thinking of Eisenhower as well and that sort of puts you in the same category as Joe McCarthy and we know the fate of the last two senators who supported McCarthy, John and Robert Kennedy, do we not?? (not to mention congressman MacDonald and his quest for an audit of the Federal Reserve.)

Where do you stand in the 'greatest thread'?? (other than for censorship and suppression of the truth??)
 
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JTrainDavis said:
I've often wondered about this. My grandfather, a paratrooper with no love lost for 'Tank Generals' was also one who thought that Patton's end was suspicious, as he was pretty outspoken about the Soviets and their designs.
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In the movie ''Patton'' starring George C. Scott..did'nt Patton make the statement about the Russians ''We're gonna have to fight the Russians in 20 years anyway lets just do it now while we're mobilized!'' I'd say one could argue that this type of thinking, while ultimately proved sorta correct looking at the cold war-bay of pigs, was viewed as dangerous by the power brokers in Washington and in a similar way to the JFK assination, when you get to be too much...they take you out.
 
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dan4vols said:
In the movie ''Patton'' starring George C. Scott..did'nt Patton make the statement about the Russians ''We're gonna have to fight the Russians in 20 years anyway lets just do it now while we're mobilized!'' I'd say one could argue that this type of thinking, while ultimately proved sorta correct looking at the cold war-bay of pigs, was viewed as dangerous by the power brokers in Washington and in a similar way to the JFK assination, when you get to be too much...they take you out.
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"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear."

The Enemy Within
Marcus Tullius Cicero
(born January 3, 106 BC and
murdered December 7, 43 BC)

What did JFK, General George Patton and Congressman Larry Patton McDonald all have in common???

(George and Larry were cousins btw)
 
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gsvol said:
Stalin with the blessing of Roosevelt is more like it.

I wouldn't have any problem believing George Marshall had a hand in the assassination of Patten.

I doubt that Omar Bradley was involved in that though.

To impugn the integrity of Marshall and Truman is to bring into question the motives and thinking of Eisenhower as well and that sort of puts you in the same category as Joe McCarthy and we know the fate of the last two senators who supported McCarthy, John and Robert Kennedy, do we not?? (not to mention congressman MacDonald and his quest for an audit of the Federal Reserve.)

Where do you stand in the 'greatest thread'?? (other than for censorship and suppression of the truth??)
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It is a question of integrity?

Bradley thought Patten was a loose cannon and did not want the blood of his soldiers fighting the russians in eastern europe for many years to come.

Bradley voiced his opinions to Marshall who gave the go for operation to the OSS under the direct supervision of General William Donavon.

Douglas Bazata actually carried every thing out. He killed Patton by lethal injection after the staged accident.

Honestly, do you even attempt to look at history?

:hi:
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
It is a question of integrity?

Not so much integrity as stupidity.


Bradley thought Patten was a loose cannon and did not want the blood of his soldiers fighting the russians in eastern europe for many years to come.

I agree Omar 'the soldier's general' Bradley didn't want to continue the war by attacking the Soviets, I don't agree he was involved in any conspiracy to assassinate Patton.


Bradley voiced his opinions to Marshall who gave the go for operation to the OSS under the direct supervision of General William Donavon.

Know who "chow hall Hank" was??

Douglas Bazata actually carried every thing out. He killed Patton by lethal injection after the staged accident.

Honestly, do you even attempt to look at history?

:hi:

What's your source?
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Did you know that the Soviets kept about 20,000 American military POWs they 'liberated' from German POW camps at the end of WWII that were never repatriated to America????

I agree absolutely with everything you say except that Marshall instigated the assassination at the behest of Bradley. Marshall didn't need Bradley to say anything, Marshall was well aware of what Patton wanted as was practically everyone else in the world.

Marshall is lower than dirt as far as I'm concerned and that goes back to way before WWII but includes during and after said war.

A good for instance was the all too brief investigation into the events leading up to Pearl Harbor. Marshall, who was known to have a very excellent memory, gave three different stories about where he was the morning of December 7th, 1941 but in reality he was meeting the Soviet Emissary at the Washington airport.

Do you have any opinions on Larry Patton McDonald and his demise or possible imprisonment??

Have you read "The Rape of Serbia" by Major Lees??

"Tradgedy and Hope" by Quigley?
 
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gsvol said:
Did you know that the Soviets kept about 20,000 American military POWs they 'liberated' from German POW camps at the end of WWII that were never repatriated to America????

I agree absolutely with everything you say except that Marshall instigated the assassination at the behest of Bradley. Marshall didn't need Bradley to say anything, Marshall was well aware of what Patton wanted as was practically everyone else in the world.

Marshall is lower than dirt as far as I'm concerned and that goes back to way before WWII but includes during and after said war.

A good for instance was the all too brief investigation into the events leading up to Pearl Harbor. Marshall, who was known to have a very excellent memory, gave three different stories about where he was the morning of December 7th, 1941 but in reality he was meeting the Soviet Emissary at the Washington airport.

Do you have any opinions on Larry Patton McDonald and his demise or possible imprisonment??

Have you read "The Rape of Serbia" by Major Lees??

"Tradgedy and Hope" by Quigley?
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1.) It was closer to 50,000.

2.) You name it and I have read it.

:snoring:
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
1.) It was closer to 50,000.

2.) You name it and I have read it.

:snoring:
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Too bad your reading comprehension doesn't equal your curiosity.

What is your source for saying it's closer to 50,000???

What did you think of Lees' conclusion advanced in "Rape of Serbia?"

:clapping:

Come on wake up man, are you just sleeping or in a deep coma?????

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No.
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Why not???
 
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gsvol said:
Too bad your reading comprehension doesn't equal your curiosity.

What is your source for saying it's closer to 50,000???

What did you think of Lees' conclusion advanced in "Rape of Serbia?"

:clapping:

Come on wake up man, are you just sleeping or in a deep coma?????



Why not???
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Really?

Sources are easy, look at the available Russian military records compared to ours. Some are as high as 100,000 some are as low as 1,400. I prefer to take the media average.

I am not going to do the work for you, I cannot help that you are lazy.

:dunno:
 
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An FYI for any intrested. Coasttocoastam.com radio program is airing a 'death of patton' show this coming Saturday night at 10pm. It'll be a 4 hour discussion with a call in feature from listeners, as well as the usual informed guest author usually. It's channel 165 on Sirius/XM.
 
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dan4vols said:
An FYI for any intrested. Coasttocoastam.com radio program is airing a 'death of patton' show this coming Saturday night at 10pm. It'll be a 4 hour discussion with a call in feature from listeners, as well as the usual informed guest author usually. It's channel 165 on Sirius/XM.
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Priceless.........

:eek:k:
 
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