House Leadership Invokes “Martial Law"

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Statement by Robert Greenstein: House Leadership Invokes ?Martial Law,? Forcing Members to Vote on Key Bills Without Full Knowledge of What They Are Voting On: Move Represents Erosion Of The Democratic Process — Center on Budget and Policy

The House Republican Leadership has announced its intention to have the House vote, before adjourning on Friday or Saturday, on several major pieces of legislation that are not yet available to House members in final form because behind-closed-door negotiations on the proposals are still going on.* The Leadership apparently intends to use a process known as “martial law” to allow these bills to be brought to the floor very shortly after negotiations are completed, with the result that Members of the House are likely to have virtually no time to examine and consider the details of the legislation before they will be required to vote on it.

Isn't this what happen for Obamacare and the bank bailouts?

Best commentary on this "a legal motion to create an illegal procedure which allows for a legal condition to have a legal vote on an illegal unconstitutional entity to control and expand more illegal debt..............legally?"
 
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Cluster-f to the extreme.

What are the consequences if a lot of people just vote no? Is that even a reasonable question?
 
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This is the Speaker making the majority members who did not support him pay; Parliamentary rules allow the Speaker to call whatever bills he wants to the floor; he can call for cloture on debate (which, I imagine that he has strategically picked bills the Democrats will vote for cloture on); then he will put these reps in a position in which they will be on record, either way, on an issue that will hurt their reelection campaigns.

Never, ever play hardball with the Speaker if you are a freshman congressman in the majority.
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This is the Speaker making the majority members who did not support him pay; Parliamentary rules allow the Speaker to call whatever bills he wants to the floor; he can call for cloture on debate (which, I imagine that he has strategically picked bills the Democrats will vote for cloture on); then he will put these reps in a position in which they will be on record, either way, on an issue that will hurt their reelection campaigns.

Never, ever play hardball with the Speaker if you are a freshman congressman in the majority.
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Truth. Daddy is getting ready to take the kids out behind the wood shed. It should be interesting.

I could be wrong, but I feel this hurts the TP freshmen congress members. Yes, they will get TPers support, but have probably lost the majority of independents. Most of us want the gov't to act responsibly not to create disfunction. If no deal is done, we default, and the economy tanks even more, there will be hell to pay for those that took an all or nothing stance whether it be Dem or Rep.
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Truth. Daddy is getting ready to take the kids out behind the woodshed. It should be interesting.

I could be wrong, but I feel this hurts the TP freshmen congress members. Yes, they will get TPers support, but have probably lost the majority of independents. Most of us want the gov't to act responsibly not to create disfunction. If not deal is done, we default, and the economy tanks even more, there will be hell to pay for those that took an all or nothing stance whether it be Dem or Rep.
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They will also face tough primaries now in their reelection bids...all the national GOP money will go against these guys. Time to see if the TP party actually has the money to out campaign the GOP trust.
 
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They will also face tough primaries now in their reelection bids...all the national GOP money will go against these guys. Time to see if the TP party actually has the money to out campaign the GOP trust.

Good points and ironic seeing that's how many of these freshmen came to Congress. This is the TPers all in moment and they are up against pocket aces. It's possible they pull it off, but the odds are against them. Do they have a significant amount of support? Sure they do. Do they have as much support as they think? I'm not so sure. If this blows up the economy worse than it already is, look out. Only the most hard core conservatives will be with them.

I really believe people voted the TPers in to bring about fiscal change. I'm not sure they want that change at the expense of an even worse economy due to default and what comes with it. Sure some are ready to face such consequences, but most are not. The message I am getting from many folks is to get something done. Obstructionism is not fixing gov't. I am reminded of 'be careful what you wish for; you just might get it.'
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I really believe people voted the TPers in to bring about fiscal change. I'm not sure they want that change at the expense of an even worse economy due to default and what comes with it. Sure some are ready to face such consequences, but most are not. The message I am getting from many folks is to get something done. Posted via VolNation Mobile

I agree. It should be obvious even to the idiots in house and senate that our spending is out of hand. Will they do anything about it? I have my doubts.

But I'm fine with raising the debt ceiling one more time and coupling it with spending cuts. I'm not even against a small tax increase to complement it. I think the majority of citizens can live with a compromise. Moody's & S&P weren't talking about downgrading the US due to not raising the debt ceiling. We have to get our spending under control.

But then again, we're not worried about a political career. Wouldn't have nearly the problems if people were elected knowing up front they would only have a limited amount of time to serve.
 
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that idea is far left of what the discussion even is at this point. the tp has successfuly changed the discussion about fiscal responsibility and that is a plus but its now time for them to shut it and deal.
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I agree. It should be obvious even to the idiots in house and senate that our spending is out of hand. Will they do anything about it? I have my doubts.

But I'm fine with raising the debt ceiling one more time and coupling it with spending cuts. I'm not even against a small tax increase to complement it. I think the majority of citizens can live with a compromise. Moody's & S&P weren't talking about downgrading the US due to not raising the debt ceiling. We have to get our spending under control.

But then again, we're not worried about a political career. Wouldn't have nearly the problems if people were elected knowing up front they would only have a limited amount of time to serve.

You are way too rational to ever make it in politics.
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that idea is far left of what the discussion even is at this point. the tp has successfuly changed the discussion about fiscal responsibility and that is a plus but its now time for them to shut it and deal.
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Spot on.
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that idea is far left of what the discussion even is at this point. the tp has successfuly changed the discussion about fiscal responsibility and that is a plus but its now time for them to shut it and deal.
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Yea. The TP did a great job of bringing fiscal responsibility to the forefront. But I still have my doubts that we'll see a good budget that actually cuts spending. No confidence in anyone up there. What am I supposed to expect when Obama says he'll veto whatever the Rs pass before anything has even passed. Reid says whatever the house passes is DOA in the senate without debate. And Congress will only pass bills that have spending cuts and no tax increases. The opposite of everything the dems want.
 
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that idea is far left of what the discussion even is at this point. the tp has successfuly changed the discussion about fiscal responsibility and that is a plus but its now time for them to shut it and deal.
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I'm no TP'er...by any stretch...

But, employing a "shut it and deal" strategy has landed us where we are today - continuing to unabatedly spend trillions of dollars which we simply do not have, and acting as if we can do so without (serious) long-term repercussions. An argument could easily be made that it's the policy of fiscal madness, really, where both sides of the aisle are to blame, insofar as each has let our overspending go essentially unchallenged and unchanged for years - aside from the obligatorily semantical election-speak and meaningless posturing.

So, if the TP'ers are going to force the issue to a head, and move the issue beyond merely "changing the discussion" - I'm all for it, as should anyone who has even a rudimentary understanding of basic arithmetic.

Here's a quick self-awareness quiz that will aide in determining if you meet this notably low, yet effective standard:

If Johnny has $7.28 and he wants to buy something that costs 3 trillion dollars (and I mean he really, really, REALLY wants this thing)- should he borrow money from the mob - knowing that it will not only sentence his current family to a life of prostitution, but will commit the next 12 generations into a life of slavery (and likely to his mortal enemy)?

If you answered, "No" then you get what I'm saying, and it should be relatively easy for you to navigate the remaining issues which are involved.

If you responded, "Yes" - well, you're best seated on the "part of the problem" side
of this issue, and should just resume parusing the Internet for your mom's plus-sized fishnet stockings, because she's going to need all of the corner action she can get if we're going to make this upcoming loan payment.

It's not only time that someone refused to sacrifice the merits of a position merely for the sake of decorum (i.e. "playing ball"), it's embarrassingly and egregiously long overdue.

Of course, I am keenly aware of the fact that holding this position makes me: stupid, near-sighted, ignorant and/or incapable of understanding the many various and nuanced components of the issue, as posing a straw-man argument (or feel free to select and insert your favorite cause for the invalidation of an argument....*HERE*), racist, sexist, elitist, a sectionalist, a secessionist, homophobic, Zionist, anti-semitic redneck, hillbilly closeted "white is right" xenophobe.

Or simply, que LG's long-broken record of wild and entirely baseless allegations accusing me of being secretly motivated by any number of hidden prejudice(s)* - and let's just dance the night away, baby, amidst a bonfire of $1,000 bills, ostensibly, which the Chinese have re-loaned to us at 276% interest, of course.

*Oddly, I presume that the flip side of LG's record features several other, though far lesser-known tracks, consisting of Broadway show tunes being interspersed amongst the sounds of migrating whales - all with a subliminally looped undertone of Bill Mahr telling him how much smarter he is than everyone else and how "totally awesome" it would be to appear European, and which concludes with George Clooney chastising us for caring about our own nation, given the current upheaval in Darfur. But, that's just my guess, really, however likely it may be.
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