How dare someone criticize the Obama circus

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CIA Director Leon Panetta says former Vice President Dick Cheney's criticism of the Obama administration's approach to terrorism almost suggests "he's wishing that this country would be attacked again, in order to make his point
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More like he is suggesting your policies increase our risk of getting attacked again. My goodness, how dare someone offer a differing opinion.
 
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allvol123 said:
More like he is suggesting your policies increase our risk of getting attacked again. My goodness, how dare someone offer a differing opinion.
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Yeah, kind of reminds me how Bush and his henchmen acted as if anyone who thought The Patriot Act and warrantless, unfettered wiretaps to be bad ideas were rooting for Al Qaeda.
 
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Much of what this current circus does reminds me of the last administration. They just do it with more audacity. So much for change.
 
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allvol123 said:
Much of what this current circus does reminds me of the last administration. They just do it with more audacity. So much for change.
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I don't see anything more audacious in their approach than Bush's incredibly arrogant and laughably imbecilic "I'm the decider/Mission Accomplished" approach. To hear Dick Cheney tell it, he and only he knows how to protect America.
 
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Kind of like the imbecilic prediction that unemployment would top out at 8% if they got their stimulus package. To hear the Obamas tell it, they know how to fix an economy. Given the results so far, I can see questioning their policies in other areas.
 
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allvol123 said:
Kind of like the imbecilic prediction that unemployment would top out at 8% if they got their stimulus package. To hear the Obamas tell it, they know how to fix an economy. Given the results so far, I can see questioning their policies in other areas.
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Well those extra 7 states kinda threw a monkey wrench in the whole thing. Unemployment and new jobs (or saved jobs) projections would have been spot on otherwise.:)
 
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Poor governing of the last 8 years is being compounded by more of the same.

Interestingly enough, while the national unemployment rate approaches 10%, it's just over 5% in D.C.
 
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allvol123 said:
More like he is suggesting your policies increase our risk of getting attacked again. My goodness, how dare someone offer a differing opinion.
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Former admin officials need to shut their pieholes for a considerable while.
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BigPapaVol said:
Former admin officials need to shut their pieholes for a considerable while.
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Define "a considerable while". Also, seeing as how the current administration can't shut up about the past administration, I see no reason for your advice to be taken.
 
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allvol123 said:
Define "a considerable while". Also, seeing as how the current administration can't shut up about the past administration, I see no reason for your advice to be taken.
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Fair enough, but our politics were better when folks abided by the unwritten rule. The preceding admin is always scapegoated - always. A considerable while would be at least a couple of presidents removed. Carter broke this rule and opened the door for what we see now. I think it's very shatty of Cheney, correct or not.
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allvol123 said:
Define "a considerable while". Also, seeing as how the current administration can't shut up about the past administration, I see no reason for your advice to be taken.
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The problem is that Rove and Cheney don't seem to get that it doesn't matter whether they are right or not. Neither of them can hope to be any sort of leader for the GOP going forward, so really all they are doing is feeding their own ego and continuing to be a lightning rod for the left.

...and for all the criticism leveled at Clinton/Gore after they left office, Cheney is doing the same thing.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Fair enough, but our politics were better when folks abided by the unwritten rule. The preceding admin is always scapegoated - always. A considerable while would be at least a couple of presidents removed. Carter broke this rule and opened the door for what we see now. I think it's very shatty of Cheney, correct or not.
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So you are for following this rule just because it has been "what was always done"? Serious question, in theory you would follow this rule even on national security matters? You would keep your mouth shut having just vacated a position and seeing actions that you disagreed with and considered dangerous?
 
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allvol123 said:
So you are for following this rule just because it has been "what was always done"? Serious question, in theory you would follow this rule even on national security matters? You would keep your mouth shut having just vacated a position and seeing actions that you disagreed with and considered dangerous?
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Yes. Cheney isn't going to change a thing by talking about it. His crowd was voted down. Driving a wedge over the issue only serves to undermine.

The dangerous commentary is just bunk. Terrorists pose no real threat to this land like the Chinese and Russians do. If Obama bows to them like Carter did, then I might understand.
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GAVol said:
The problem is that Rove and Cheney don't seem to get that it doesn't matter whether they are right or not. Neither of them can hope to be any sort of leader for the GOP going forward, so really all they are doing is feeding their own ego and continuing to be a lightning rod for the left.

...and for all the criticism leveled at Clinton/Gore after they left office, Cheney is doing the same thing.
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BigPapaVol said:
Yes. Cheney isn't going to change a thing by talking about it. His crowd was voted down. Driving a wedge over the issue only serves to undermine.

The dangerous commentary is just bunk. Terrorists pose no real threat to this land like the Chinese and Russians do. If Obama bows to them like Carter did, then I might understand.
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I can agree with those first two statements.


I don't think terrorists have to exist on the same level as China or Russia to consider talk about their danger as bunk. I don''t have a bunker to live in for 6 months or anything but consider it realistic that they can do some rather large damage.
 
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allvol123 said:
I can agree with those first two statements.


I don't think terrorists have to exist on the same level as China or Russia to consider talk about their danger as bunk. I don''t have a bunker to live in for 6 months or anything but consider it realistic that they can do some rather large damage.
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They can do damage on a very limited scale, but regardless, why does Cheney need to take this to the public. He had 8 years to make his case and the public clearly voted him and his crowd down.

In the end, this crap is politics. If Cheney is contemplating running, the OK. Otherwise, he should be an onlooker for a while.
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BigPapaVol said:
They can do damage on a very limited scale, but regardless, why does Cheney need to take this to the public. He had 8 years to make his case and the public clearly voted him and his crowd down.

In the end, this crap is politics. If Cheney is contemplating running, the OK. Otherwise, he should be an onlooker for a while.
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Ok, so Obama and his crew won. The same can be said for their constant blame game. No one is stopping them going full steam ahead with their philosophies and policies. I know when I am confident about ideas in my professional life, I don't worry about what detractors that have no say so in the matter, have to say.
 
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I think a good part of what Cheney was doing was CYA - there was pressure to put him on trial so to speak and he was successful at diffusing that.

Mission Accomplished - time to fade away, work behind the scenes or whatever but neither Rove nor Cheney should be the face of the GOP.
 
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I don't think they are trying to be a 'face'. I think they are effectively casting doubt on Obama's whole strategy and mindset. Poll numbers on national security and Obama's whole plans are eroding. Cheney's just chipping away at Obama's wall with the average voter and it is working. If anything, I'd dig up some of the hundreds of quotes of Dems trying to do similar things talking about failure of Iraq, etc. Reid telling the American people the troops failed in Iraq is a good start. Basically if the tide turns you remind people how the Dem leadership was more or less talking of failure of our military and the same 'almost hoping 9/11 style attacks would happen' during the years post-9/11.
 
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There is no shortage of commentary like you suggest to draw on. People have awfully short memories.
 
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