?? How did Mizzou stop our run game? What defensive formations did they use?

[OrangeRaid Vol #1]

Would like to know.

 

[volsfan24017]

We stopped it. Offensive line looked like trash and out of sync most of the game. Hence the outcome.

 

[Spawn]

They had the ball all game.

 

[SFBayVol]

Would like to know.

It's less of they shut us down completely but more of we had to pass because we played most of second half from 2+ scores behind. We only rushed 23 times vs season avg in high 30s. 3.6 ypc yesterday wasn't good, but not horrific.

 

[esarmstrong]

One thing that Missouri did to stop the run was they concentrated three of their down linemen on blocking/flooding the inside running lanes. Danielson commented on it in the first half.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

We stopped it. Offensive line looked like trash and out of sync most of the game. Hence the outcome.

We are still behind in talent on this football team. In many of the areas where we have really good talent, we lack experience. We have starting to recruit players who raise our future talent to where we can actually compete with the Georgias and Alabamas, but those players will have to gain the experience need to perform at championship levels. It’s coming and I can hardly wait.

 

[njvols]

Would like to know.

They stuffed the box stopped us on first down when we basically ran the same qb handoff, played tight coverage on WRs…and then we are behind the chains. JH offense doesn’t do well behind the chains.

 

[led0321]

They sold out to stop the run. Knowing our passing game couldn’t beat them alone.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Would like to know.

No special formations. Nothing special at all. Simply put they were vastly more physical. We were not ready to play.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

They were more physical and wanted it more. They were more prepared and better coached.

 

[Rocky Top T]

They dominated both lines of scrimmage. Pretty simple

 

[GiveHim6InSC]

Hopefully, there’s some good film and the coaches can scheme around that

 

[agent|orange]

We are still behind in talent on this football team. In many of the areas where we have really good talent, we lack experience. We have starting to recruit players who raise our future talent to where we can actually compete with the Georgias and Alabamas, but those players will have to gain the experience need to perform at championship levels. It’s coming and I can hardly wait.

Some facts/figures on our team talent:

* We have 2 5* and 33 4* players, good for #16 in total composite team talent.

* We aren't playing either 5* right now (Bru and Nico) and 15 of our 33 4*s are Freshmen and most aren't seeing the field.

We are vastly -VASTLY- outperforming even going 8-4. Here is who we've played this year:

* Virginia - 66

* Florida - 15

* USC - 22

* A&M - 4

* Bama - 1

* Kentucky - 31

* Mizzou - 25

* UGA - 2

* Vandy - 58

Even with the injured and youth, we have 821 points. To give context, Bama has 1,015 and UGA has 977.

The gap between us (821) and Bama (1015) is the same as us and Illinois, Kansas, Memphis and Virginia. The gap between us and UGA is about the same as us and Cinci.

We've struggled on the road against motivated teams with comparable or better talent. Point is, we're moving in the right direction. In Year 1 we took 2 steps forward and 1 back. Year 2 was 3 steps forward and 1 back and now we're back at about 2/1.


Most on here, at least the reasonables, predicted 8-4 this year unless Milton suddenly because a different QB. We knew the OL would be rough. We knew we were losing a ton of talent at WR. We also lost Bru, our best LB and now another WR. I think, overall, going 8-4 is about the best job that even the best coaching staffs would be able to get out of this crew with our current talent/depth.


I do think Martinez needs to find another job. I'm not thrilled with Banks but can understand how the D played because the O just completely sucked at their end of the bargain.

 

[CAVPUT]

They were good at swarming to the ball and they didn't miss a lot of tackles.

 

[JohnWardForever]

Would like to know.

OUTCOACHED Tennessee.

 

[JohnWardForever]

Hopefully, there’s some good film and the coaches can scheme around that

I'm sure Tennessee's future opponents will look at that film a lot.

 

[knox73]

This is an excellent Missouri team with all-SEC level quarterback, wr, and running back. They would be a tough matchup for anybody. Regardless of recruiting rankings, the premiere players for Missouri are light years better than their counterparts at Tennessee as SEC ballplayers right now. Hooker and Hyatt might have shown up as 3/4 star players on paper but they were the best in the SEC in 2022. Right now in basketball, Knecht and Gainey look as good as any SEC transfers regardless of player rankings or if they were from smaller schools - just like the Mizzou running back who tore Georgia and Tennessee up in 2 consecutive weeks. A great team needs high quality players at key positions who have skill, heart and toughness - the Vols lack that in 2023 and an 8-4 season is not that bad given their squad overall.

This team was closer to a 6-6 team than 10-2 but there may be younger players on the team now that in 2024 may step back up the SEC ladder - we will see. Give Missouri credit for having a special season and good luck to them as they are a fun, well coached team to watch. Likewise give the Vols credit if they can play a competitive game vs. Georgia and win a bowl game for a ninth win. Fans need to quit relying on armchair recruiting analysts and use the eye test to see determine if you have an above average football team or not.

 

[wmcovol]

Would like to know.

They had more “want to”. Looked like they played the same defense that everyone since Florida has played , 3 down linemen, blitzed a LB occasionally & they whipped our OL. Fla, & Bama did the same thing.

 

[Volnuck]

Would like to know.

Indecisiveness on the running backs and bad line play equals no run game!!!!!! Noting Missouri really did different except play tougher than us.

 

[vegasvolfan]

Would like to know.

Not many 3rd and shorts. Some penalties I believe also came on first downs. I think they won the trenches as well. Having more designed qb runs would have helped keep them off balance too—assuming Milton would hang onto the football. Thornton going down fairly early was not good either. If you know the receivers aren’t that great, you can cheat on the run. Basically, the chips were stacked against us. Had we not committed so many penalties and had two huge rushing fumbles late in the game in their half of the field (one in the red zone) this game looks completely different.

And, we gave up when the game was out of reach which made it look even worse.

 

[utvolz98]

Some facts/figures on our team talent:

* We have 2 5* and 33 4* players, good for #16 in total composite team talent.

* We aren't playing either 5* right now (Bru and Nico) and 15 of our 33 4*s are Freshmen and most aren't seeing the field.

We are vastly -VASTLY- outperforming even going 8-4. Here is who we've played this year:

* Virginia - 66

* Florida - 15

* USC - 22

* A&M - 4

* Bama - 1

* Kentucky - 31

* Mizzou - 25

* UGA - 2

* Vandy - 58

Even with the injured and youth, we have 821 points. To give context, Bama has 1,015 and UGA has 977.

The gap between us (821) and Bama (1015) is the same as us and Illinois, Kansas, Memphis and Virginia. The gap between us and UGA is about the same as us and Cinci.

We've struggled on the road against motivated teams with comparable or better talent. Point is, we're moving in the right direction. In Year 1 we took 2 steps forward and 1 back. Year 2 was 3 steps forward and 1 back and now we're back at about 2/1.


Most on here, at least the reasonables, predicted 8-4 this year unless Milton suddenly because a different QB. We knew the OL would be rough. We knew we were losing a ton of talent at WR. We also lost Bru, our best LB and now another WR. I think, overall, going 8-4 is about the best job that even the best coaching staffs would be able to get out of this crew with our current talent/depth.


I do think Martinez needs to find another job. I'm not thrilled with Banks but can understand how the D played because the O just completely sucked at their end of the bargain.

Genuinely, thank you for the insight. I’m one of the reasonable who knew the ceiling with Joe at the helm wasn’t great. But what has most everyone, me included, chapped is, might we have gone 3 forward and 1 back by giving Nico a year of no pressure? Understanding the big picture that this year wasn’t a year we’d likely be in the hunt to make a conference championship game. Most reasonable fans also know Nico likely won’t be here 4 years. So throw the redshirt talk out the window. Take that and knowing Joe’s ceiling, could Nico’s floor have been that much worse? Likely not, if you ask me.

 

[GetYouSomeofThat]

Would like to know.

4 turnovers ...hard to do much on offense like that.

Untimely penalties. 1st and 20 is a little more difficult than 1st and 10.

Self inflicted wounds

 

[DarkVolder]

Drink had this game circled for payback and they simply wanted it more and were hungrier and played more physical. We never got off the bus and ready to play. We looked soft and timid Saturday that was the most disappointing thing to me. Even though we have more talent than them they are simply the better team this season they may finish with the same 11-2 record we had last year.

 

[Vol865]

One thing that Missouri did to stop the run was they concentrated three of their down linemen on blocking/flooding the inside running lanes. Danielson commented on it in the first half.

Called a Tite alignment. Two 4i's and 0 tech. Same thing Bama ran. Not good for running inside zone. Perfect for running Trap, Iso, Counter Trey, Buck Sweep.

 

[Other_Guy]

We are still behind in talent on this football team. In many of the areas where we have really good talent, we lack experience. We have starting to recruit players who raise our future talent to where we can actually compete with the Georgias and Alabamas, but those players will have to gain the experience need to perform at championship levels. It’s coming and I can hardly wait.

How on earth do you get blown out by a middle of the road school/program and you chalk it up to "behind in talent"?