How did Vandy get this good and UT...

[volberry]

I can concede that point.

I just think people ignore Vandy's schedule the last 3 years. They have just enough cream puffs to get that impressive win total. Vandy would get demolished playing our schedule this year

The only team we play that vandy never will is oregon. bama isn't on their schedule but they played mizzou and tx am. no real schedule difference. they are going to 3rd straight bowl we may not. people are in denial. my point is now even at vandy you can win so ut has now excuse. i'm waiting for jones to turn it around.

 

[cbbowlingmd]

totally agree, but UT also had the benefit of playing a Florida team that was giving the game away and was lousy on offense

Nate Peterman says hi.

 

[Gramps]

We have been goung downhill for years.
There is plenty of blame to go around.

1st : Fulmer stated he considered stepping down after the NC and again at the end of 2001. He chose to stay and allowed the program to deteriorate.

If he had stepped down after 2001 while UT was on top , coaches would have lined up wanting the job with the right hire then would we still be on top.We will never know.

2nd Mike Hamiliton for not letting Fulmer go earlier and for 2 bad hires.

3. Kiffin for leaving in the middle of the night a few weeks from signing day.

4. Dooley. I am not sure we can blame Dooley.I think his three years is all on MH. Dooley was not qualifed to be a SEC coach. He did the best he could. He simply was not a SEC HC. This hurt the program bad. Is it Dooleys fault or Hamilitons' i put these three yesr on a terrible hire.


We have suffered some blowouts during CBJ this year. To his defense he does not have the players for his scheme. We do not have an explosive running back.We are starting our 3 rd qb of the season, a freshmen that would not be playing without the inquiries we have experienced.

I think by 2015 we should start competing with the big boys CBJ has the best class committed we have had in a long time. He will bring us back. It simply takes time. Patients is required in this rebuilding process.


Franklin was a good hire for Vandy.
.

 

[OrangeInKy]

Vandy beat uga and uf. 2 teams that beat us. Just because we hate vandy doesn't mean we shouldn't act like we're betternthan them in 2012-2013. I just hope we beat uk because they have gotten better as the year has progressed as well. And we're on our 3rd string qb.

You do realize that the circumstances of those games were dramatically different, right? Also, UT started Peterman vs Florida which didn't help. UGA was much more depleted when they played Vandy then when they played us. Also, we beat USCjr who beat Vandy, so....


Just because they beat those 2 teams doesn't mean they play a tough schedule. We went to Oregon, they went to UMass.

 

[OrangeInKy]

Nate Peterman says hi.

my point exactly. We played a horrible Florida team too that was giving the game away, we just gave it away more. Also, UF was A LOT healthier for UT than Vandy. Florida still has no business getting stopped by Vandy, at home no less. Regardless of the circumstances, Vandy has been impressive the last 3 years considering they are Vandy, but all this talk of them being some SEC stalwart, is nauseating.

 

[cbbowlingmd]

To answer the OP question. Coaching is the difference and the fact that Franklin has had 3 years of recruiting. Vanderbilt was a Top 50 recruiting class before him, and know they have had 3 Top 25 recruiting classes. On top of that, the players don't quit and play for 4 quarters. If Vanderbilt does not start off slow in the 1st quarter they are ususally competitive because they are not an offensive juggernaut ever since Carta-Samuels went down. As far as teams being injured, you game plan for who you are playing and the situations as the game progresses and yesterday was a great example of grinding out the clock to get the W. Vanderbilt did not have to sustain long drives because they intercepted 3 balls and brought them inside the 20 for short scores. When Florida scored to cut it to 14, Vanderbilt opened up the playbook and drove 80 yards to stop the momentum.

It should be a great game in 2 weeks with both teams fired up to play.

Anchor Down.

lol....that's a good one.

 

[KBVol]

To answer the OP question. Coaching is the difference and the fact that Franklin has had 3 years of recruiting. Vanderbilt was a Top 50 recruiting class before him, and know they have had 3 Top 25 recruiting classes. On top of that, the players don't quit and play for 4 quarters. If Vanderbilt does not start off slow in the 1st quarter they are ususally competitive because they are not an offensive juggernaut ever since Carta-Samuels went down. As far as teams being injured, you game plan for who you are playing and the situations as the game progresses and yesterday was a great example of grinding out the clock to get the W. Vanderbilt did not have to sustain long drives because they intercepted 3 balls and brought them inside the 20 for short scores. When Florida scored to cut it to 14, Vanderbilt opened up the playbook and drove 80 yards to stop the momentum.

It should be a great game in 2 weeks with both teams fired up to play.

Anchor Down.

First off, Anchor Down is undoubtedly the stupidest team/program slogan in the history of collegiate athletics, so get your marketing folks to go back to the drawing board there.

And that's all I got. I don't think it will be a great game in 2 weeks. I think Vandy comes in and embarrasses UT and pulls away late to get a 14-17 pt win.

 

[utshawn]

totally agree, but UT also had the benefit of playing a Florida team that was giving the game away and was lousy on offense

UT played Florida before the injury bug hit Florida and UT had no film on Murphy so there was no game plan for him. If we had pulled Florida in any of the games we played after South Carolina, we would have beat them handily. Some thing goes for Georgia. Unfortunately we drew Florida early.

With that said, I do think the Vandy game will be a single score victory something like 24-20 which is too close for comfort against Vandy. This will change as we get better recruit classes in but right now it is what it is.

 

[volberry]

my point exactly. We played a horrible Florida team too that was giving the game away, we just gave it away more. Also, UF was A LOT healthier for UT than Vandy. Florida still has no business getting stopped by Vandy, at home no less. Regardless of the circumstances, Vandy has been impressive the last 3 years considering they are Vandy, but all this talk of them being some SEC stalwart, is nauseating.

We don't believe we can beat those teams. Obviously vandy does and they did. I do agree with another posters point is that they have 3 years of that anchor down crap and we're in half a year of bj era. We need to take vandy seriously and understand they are good. We need to be fired up like it was uga or uscjr.

 

[volberry]

First off, Anchor Down is undoubtedly the stupidest team/program slogan in the history of collegiate athletics, so get your marketing folks to go back to the drawing board there.

And that's all I got. I don't think it will be a great game in 2 weeks. I think Vandy comes in and embarrasses UT and pulls away late to get a 14-17 pt win.

Vandy will score around 28 points on us. Can we score 29? That's the big riddle.

 

[tennesseeduke]

Have you been under a rock?

Here's how you nuke your program to the stone age . . . . Fire a coach and then blow the replacement hire twice within two years forcing you to bring in a third guy to pick up the pieces left due to attrition and zero continuity.

Any questions?

You forgot to mention that the 1st replacement guys recruiting class never made it through school either hence the depth issues everywhere! These guys should be RS seniors.

NAME POS HIGH SCHOOl
JEROD ASKEW LB Oscar Smith Chesapeake, Va. 6-1, 230

BRYCE BROWN RB Wichita East Wichita, Kan. 6-0, 210

MIKE EDWARDS CB Glenville Cleveland, Ohio 5-10, 170

ERIC GORDON CB Hillsboro Nashville 5-10, 187

JAMES GREEN WR Leon Tallahassee, Fla. 6-2, 190

JANZEN JACKSON DB Barbe Lake Charles, La. 6-0, 175

ARTHUR JEFFERY JR. DL Booker Sarasota, Fla. 6-4, 285

GREG KING LB Melrose Memphis 6-3, 200

NIGEL MITCHELL-THORNTON LB Stephenson Stone Mountain, Ga. 6-2, 228

DARREN MYLES JR. S Carver Atlanta, Ga. 6-1, 190

ROBERT NELSON LB Stone Mountain Stone Mountain, Ga. 6-0, 205

DAVID OKU RB Lincoln (Neb.) East Midwest City, Okla. 5-10, 185

NYSHIER OLIVER DB St. Peter's Prep Jersey City, N.J. 5-10, 180

KEVIN REVIS OL Rhea County Evensville, Tenn. 6-4, 265

NU'KEESE RICHARDSON WR Pahokee Pahokee, Fla. 5-10, 165

ZACH ROGERS WR David Lipscomb Nashville, Tenn. 6-2, 170

JERQUARI SCHOFIELD OL South Aiken Aiken, S.C. 6-6, 315

D.T. SHACKELFORD LB Austin Decatur, Ala. 6-2, 235

RAE SYKES DL Alcoa Alcoa, Tenn. 6-4, 240

MARSALIS TEAGUE DB/SR Henry County Paris, Tenn. 5-10, 180

MARLON WALLS LB Hargrave Military Academy Olive Branch, Miss. 6-2, 225

TONEY WILLIAMS RB Milton Alpharetta, Ga. 6-1, 235


:ermm:

Tennesseeduke

 

[mccrackb]

First off, Anchor Down is undoubtedly the stupidest team/program slogan in the history of collegiate athletics, so get your marketing folks to go back to the drawing board there.

And that's all I got. I don't think it will be a great game in 2 weeks. I think Vandy comes in and embarrasses UT and pulls away late to get a 14-17 pt win.

I have to agree. Have you morons not watched the games. How many td's you all have Dobbs throwing against Vandy? We will score 17 pts on offense and they will score more. Probably much more!

 

[supersmo18]

Vandy is not winning the East. They are not ranked. They have a losing record. They have just beaten two bad teams in Georgia & Florida, @ their worst. We will still spank them like we should. Good for them though, I'm sure they are happy.

My point exactly.

 

[UT Hill Man]

I think what we are starting to see in the SEC is parity, much like you see in the NFL.

Just about all the teams are ranked in the top 40 in recruiting which means everyone is getting good players.

The real key for all teams going forward is keeping players eligible going into their 3rd and 4th years.

We have been hammered by attrition the last 8-10 years, and it has showed in the W-L column, especially the last 5 years.

Last night watching Bama/LSU the announcers said Alabama has 13 players that have already graduated, most in the NCAA. They have tons of high quality depth in the upper classes. All their highly ranked classes of the past wouldn't mean squat if half of them had been kicked out of school for bad grades and bar fights, etc...

And Franklin has developed nice depth at Vandy, enough to beat good teams like Georgia and Florida.

So, OP, eligibility and attrition are the two main reasons we are sitting here fretting about the possibility of losing the Vandy again.



***Tennesseeduke - you posted that list of departed players while I was writing my post, and that is exactly what I was referring to, the severe attrition that has hurt the program so bad.

 

[Jasongivm6]

We have been goung downhill for years.
There is plenty of blame to go around.

1st : Fulmer stated he considered stepping down after the NC and again at the end of 2001. He chose to stay and allowed the program to deteriorate.

If he had stepped down after 2001 while UT was on top , coaches would have lined up wanting the job with the right hire then would we still be on top.We will never know.

2nd Mike Hamiliton for not letting Fulmer go earlier and for 2 bad hires.

3. Kiffin for leaving in the middle of the night a few weeks from signing day.

4. Dooley. I am not sure we can blame Dooley.I think his three years is all on MH. Dooley was not qualifed to be a SEC coach. He did the best he could. He simply was not a SEC HC. This hurt the program bad. Is it Dooleys fault or Hamilitons' i put these three yesr on a terrible hire.


We have suffered some blowouts during CBJ this year. To his defense he does not have the players for his scheme. We do not have an explosive running back.We are starting our 3 rd qb of the season, a freshmen that would not be playing without the inquiries we have experienced.

I think by 2015 we should start competing with the big boys CBJ has the best class committed we have had in a long time. He will bring us back. It simply takes time. Patients is required in this rebuilding process.


Franklin was a good hire for Vandy.
.

Patients presents....J/Keace2:

 

[Orangeslice13]

Have you been under a rock?

Here's how you nuke your program to the stone age . . . . Fire a coach and then blow the replacement hire twice within two years forcing you to bring in a third guy to pick up the pieces left due to attrition and zero continuity.

Any questions?

Looking around the ff it seems that most are having trouble understanding this.

 

[HuntlandVolinColo]

Vandy is "this good?"

183 yards offense?
Gave up 400 yards on defense to the disfunctional gators offense.

They won on turnovers and return yardage...but they did win.

 

[KBVol]

UT played Florida before the injury bug hit Florida and UT had no film on Murphy so there was no game plan for him. If we had pulled Florida in any of the games we played after South Carolina, we would have beat them handily. Some thing goes for Georgia. Unfortunately we drew Florida early.

With that said, I do think the Vandy game will be a single score victory something like 24-20 which is too close for comfort against Vandy. This will change as we get better recruit classes in but right now it is what it is.

Come on. UT would beat Florida? Handily? Not a chance. I don't care if we scheduled an offseason game with them in February... we cannot beat the University of Florida. We lose to them when we're favored, when they're favored, when nobody's favored. We have lost 9 straight and something like 20 of the last 26. If we played them the next 2 weeks, the last 2 weeks of the season we'd lose twice. Come on dude, try again.

 

[GBO97]

Come on. UT would beat Florida? Handily? Not a chance. I don't care if we scheduled an offseason game with them in February... we cannot beat the University of Florida. We lose to them when we're favored, when they're favored, when nobody's favored. We have lost 9 straight and something like 20 of the last 26. If we played them the next 2 weeks, the last 2 weeks of the season we'd lose twice. Come on dude, try again.

Until we ditch this attitude, we won't beat Florida.

 

[strongtower]

Check their schedule against ours and get back to me on your question op

 

[Biopsyman]

They really enjoy male bonding

 

[golf437]

Has been struggling? Vandy has been getting better under Franklin and UT hasn't made a bowl in 3 years. I love coach Jones but now we've got an uphill battle. Vandy isn't a gimme win.

Sorry you do not have a clue and will never understand.

 

[SaintLouisVol]

To answer the OPs question, it is coaching.

While I think he has much last class, Franklin's techniques are actually fairly similar to Coach Jones' techniques. He is very good at getting the most out of his players. They played with a lot of unity and passion. This is exactly what CBJ wants as well. Vandy plays with a lot of discipline and executes well.

Vanderbilt will never be really, really good because they can never recruit enough talent. But, if he continues to coach there, they will be competitive with many of the teams in the league.

 

[KBVol]

Until we ditch this attitude, we won't beat Florida.

The attitude stems directly from the results of the actual games over the last quarter century. What I think, as a fan, posting on a message board, has absolutely no impact on how a team, who has no idea who I am is going to perform.

The facts are that for whatever reason, Tennessee just cannot beat Florida with any consistency. I'm just pointing it out. Typically, when Florida wins its by a comfortable margin and it's a "ho-hum, we beat Tennessee , again". For the very few times we've won, it's been very close, probably by a last second fg that we hit or they missed.... and then our fans storm the field, tear down the goalposts and carry them down Cumberland Ave all night in a drunken stupor. It is what it is... just pointing it out.
Finally, if you told me that next year we go 11-1 in the regular season, I'd bet the mortgage that the 1 loss was to Florida... and I'd be right.

 

[Escape Goat]

Has been struggling? Vandy has been getting better under Franklin and UT hasn't made a bowl in 3 years. I love coach Jones but now we've got an uphill battle. Vandy isn't a gimme win.

Vandy is good? Lmmfao!!! Name one good team they have beaten that wasn't decimated by injury. We will boat race those clowns.