How does everyone feel about the deep defense department cuts by the Obama regime?

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gsvol

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Obama Will Give Missile Tech To Russia Despite Law


It appears that Barack Obama has again ignored the rule of law by signing a defense appropriations bill that prohibits him sharing vital United States leading-edge strategic US missile technology with Russia, yet he has told both houses of Congress that he plans to share the US missile technology anyway.

Why is this important?

Because it goes light-years beyond partisan politics and into an area where our national defense will be put at unreasonable risk. It is believed that the Russians will pass this technology onto China, Iran and North Korea.
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It appears that Barack Obama has again ignored the rule of law by signing a defense appropriations bill that prohibits him sharing vital United States leading-edge strategic US missile technology with Russia, yet he has told both houses of Congress that he plans to share the US missile technology anyway.
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If he has informed congress, then it must be a matter of public record, right? Where is that record?

Why is this important? Because it goes light-years beyond partisan politics and into an area where our national defense will be put at unreasonable risk.
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Wrong. If true, this is important because it further erodes the constitution in favor of the imperial presidency.

It is believed that the Russians will pass this technology onto China, Iran and North Korea.
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Who believes this? based on what? because Dick Morris said so?
 
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A lot of stuff itt is "believed."

Same tactic as Faux News banners: "some people say" "critics ask". Crap like that. Make a statement, don't attribute it, and create fake discussion point as "fact"

Pathetic.
 
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lawgator1 said:
A lot of stuff itt is "believed."

Same tactic as Faux News banners: "some people say" "critics ask". Crap like that. Make a statement, don't attribute it, and create fake discussion point as "fact"

Pathetic.
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Fox News isn't the only news organization that does this.

nice try though
 
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I don't know. I'm still just trying to wrap my head around how bad one has to be for Ann Coulter to call them a publicity whore.
 
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milohimself said:
Not responding to the article right now, just felt like doing some quick digging on that particular website's origins, and found this about its founder. He's a fellow by the name of Joseph Farah. The beloved Ann Coulter referred to him as a "publicity whore" and "swine":

Ann Coulter’s email to The Daily Caller about WorldNetDaily | The Daily Caller
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She should know!

Can you edit the 'deed' in the header to 'deep?'

Thanx, sorry about the fumble fingered post.
 
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lawgator1 said:
A lot of stuff itt is "believed."

Same tactic as Faux News banners: "some people say" "critics ask". Crap like that. Make a statement, don't attribute it, and create fake discussion point as "fact"

Pathetic.
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Obama uses the "some people say" strawman in every speech.
 
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Him giving missile tech to Russia has nothing to do with trimming down our over-sized military. This is a separate issue altogether.
 
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You are the most erratic poster I believe i have ever seen. Some of the stuff I can see the argument for, but why do you post stuff in your threads that have nothing to do with the initial topic??

As a member of the military it is hard to be unbiased. I listen to talk radio a lot and try to listen to talk shows on both sides and some independent ones too. I do believe that the DOD budget can be curtailed. I dont think that we need to strip it to extremes and bring all troops home that are stationed abroad but at the same time I dont understand teh need for a presence in some countries. Being in the military often I have been told that this is not in my job descrip to worry about anyway. Our military strategists offer great expertise on such issues. Honestly, we could cut some of the careless projects that DOD runs that waste money, but that goes for every department in the federal government.

I will be the first to admit that I am not an Obama supporter, but I am not going to vilify him on this issue.
 
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nbakerld said:
What do you mean, "some people"?
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Exactly what it says. Some people. Vague, general, not specifically directed towards anyone.

Obama leads with "some people say" and adds some inane statement that has no real purpose other than being a strawman argument.

Exactly what LG said:

Make a statement, don't attribute it, and create fake discussion point as "fact"
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I think it was meant as a joke, maybe. I can never discern sarcasm from seriousness on here. At any rate it was funny.
 
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OsbourneBROS83 said:
You are the most erratic poster I believe i have ever seen. Some of the stuff I can see the argument for, but why do you post stuff in your threads that have nothing to do with the initial topic??

As a member of the military it is hard to be unbiased. I listen to talk radio a lot and try to listen to talk shows on both sides and some independent ones too. I do believe that the DOD budget can be curtailed. I dont think that we need to strip it to extremes and bring all troops home that are stationed abroad but at the same time I dont understand teh need for a presence in some countries. Being in the military often I have been told that this is not in my job descrip to worry about anyway. Our military strategists offer great expertise on such issues. Honestly, we could cut some of the careless projects that DOD runs that waste money, but that goes for every department in the federal government.

I will be the first to admit that I am not an Obama supporter, but I am not going to vilify him on this issue.
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:salute: I am a veteran myself.

Have you read just how deep these DOD cuts go?

Much more than most people know.

If this was about balancing the federal budget and intelligently cutting waste from the DOD budget then I could go along with that.

But that isn't the case now is it?

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gsvol said:
:salute: I am a veteran myself.

Have you read just how deep these DOD cuts go?

Much more than most people know.

If this was about balancing the federal budget and intelligently cutting waste from the DOD budget then I could go along with that.

But that isn't the case now is it?
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Out of ignorance, what are some of the projects and areas that you know of that are facing deep cuts? Which ones do you see that the US cannot be without? I like to think that I am abreast on most current poltical issues but I must not be in this case. Please inform me.
 
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OsbourneBROS83 said:
Out of ignorance, what are some of the projects and areas that you know of that are facing deep cuts? Which ones do you see that the US cannot be without? I like to think that I am abreast on most current poltical issues but I must not be in this case. Please inform me.
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Our defense budget is less than 5% of GNP.

We are borrowing at the rate of $58,000 per second.

History teaches us that nations have declined and desolved not becuase of too much spending on defense but not enough.

Most of the cutbacks will be in numbers of personel, eventually rolling us back to about 50% of combat deadiness, if I understand the plan that is to start in 2013.

Of course the plan can change over time.

Tell me how you perceive the DOD budget cuts.

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BTW, why do you use your current handle Osbournebros?
 
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To make a fair judgement I would need to see an itemized list of the cuts. If the cuts are in the right places, I would support it.

If.
 
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gsvol said:
Our defense budget is less than 5% of GNP.

We are borrowing at the rate of $58,000 per second.

History teaches us that nations have declined and desolved not becuase of too much spending on defense but not enough.

Most of the cutbacks will be in numbers of personel, eventually rolling us back to about 50% of combat deadiness, if I understand the plan that is to start in 2013.

Of course the plan can change over time.

Tell me how you perceive the DOD budget cuts.

BTW, why do you use your current handle Osbournebros?
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My perception of the budget cuts is minimal. I know that there is a scheduled troop draw down, and that about sums up my knowledge to that end. I profess that I dont keep up with the DOD budget, but I am sure there are areas that are wasteful, that could at least be revamped to spend "smarter" not necessarily cut. But I decline to make any real knowledgeable standpoint since I really cant.

As for OsbourneBROS...they first sang our famed and honored song "Rocky Top" in 1967.
 
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OsbourneBROS83 said:
My perception of the budget cuts is minimal. I know that there is a scheduled troop draw down, and that about sums up my knowledge to that end. I profess that I dont keep up with the DOD budget, but I am sure there are areas that are wasteful, that could at least be revamped to spend "smarter" not necessarily cut. But I decline to make any real knowledgeable standpoint since I really cant.

As for OsbourneBROS...they first sang our famed and honored song "Rocky Top" in 1967.
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'67 was the first year I attended UT, I came in with Junior level credits.

According to the top honchos in the Obama administration we have been maintaining a military capability of fighting two wars simultaniously, now we will reduce that to the ability to fight one conventional war.

It's hard for me to determine exactly what this means, I've skimmed numerous sources, one says it can mean cutting out three whole carrier groups, that seems rather drastic to me, considering reports of a ramp up of Chinese naval capability and we always have to remeber that North Korea maintains the 4th largest army in the world, even though they starve to death their own civilians to do so.

Upon coming into office Obama immediatly cut any more F-22 purchases but now there are reports of the Chinese are developing an aircraft with similar capabilities.

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Are you deployed overseas now?
 
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gsvol said:
'67 was the first year I attended UT, I came in with Junior level credits.

According to the top honchos in the Obama administration we have been maintaining a military capability of fighting two wars simultaniously, now we will reduce that to the ability to fight one conventional war.

It's hard for me to determine exactly what this means, I've skimmed numerous sources, one says it can mean cutting out three whole carrier groups, that seems rather drastic to me, considering reports of a ramp up of Chinese naval capability and we always have to remeber that North Korea maintains the 4th largest army in the world, even though they starve to death their own civilians to do so.

Upon coming into office Obama immediatly cut any more F-22 purchases but now there are reports of the Chinese are developing an aircraft with similar capabilities.


Are you deployed overseas now?
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No I am not deployed I am in Washington.

To be antithetical, the US military expenditures in terms of worldwide spending is roughly 43% of the entire world's expenditures on military(to the tune of 688 billion in 2010) . On military expenditures to GDP we outspend China and N. Korea. In comparison Japan, China's traditional foe, spends less than 1% of GDP on military while china spends almost exactly twice that.

You are right that N. Korea has the 4th largest standing Army in the world, but as you stated...they are starving, so what can they really accomplish in terms of capabilities (I understand that they have significant resources in ballistic missile tech among other things)?

*Not trying at all to be argumentative but rather have a candid conversation on things that this country can really afford to continue with. I am not for completely drawing down troops or tech, but I think (personal opine) that a lot of money is lost, wasted, improperly used, improperly allocated. This is where we should make the cuts.

Honestly it has been a struggle for me with this issue because I do believe in strong military but I dont believe in how the DOD budget is allocated.
 
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