How to kill the polls and CFP

[Ty4Vols]

I believe it's time to get rid of the entire ranking system and go to 4 major conferences of 18 teams each (I know the PAC12 is coming back but honestly it shouldn't). Each conference will be split into 2 divisions of 9 teams each.
All teams must play all of their division 4 away and 4 at home on a yearly rotation of home and away. All teams must play 3 teams from the other division rotating so that each team will be played over a 3 year period. These games will alternate home and away. The rotation will be such that a team will have 2 home and 1 away followed by 1 home 2 away the following year. This would be 11 conference games per season.
The remaining regular season game would be given to an instate FCS school and would be played week 1 @ home for all major conference teams.
This ensures all major conference teams play 6 or 7 home games rotating every year. No neutral site games will be played during the regular season unless due to weather or an unforeseen need to move the venue.
Example Year 1:
1 @ home against FCS week 1
4 @ home against division opponents
1 @ home against conference opponent
4 away against division opponents
2 away against conference opponent

Example Year 2:
1 @ home against FCS week 1
4 @ home against division opponents
2 @ home against conference opponent
4 away against division opponents
1 away against conference opponent

The new playoffs:
Every conference and division of the major 4 will use the exact same criteria for deciding internal tie breakers.
Round 1: The top 2 teams of each division will match up with the higher team being the home team and hosting at their home stadium.
Round 2: The 2 divional champions from each conference will match up at a predetermined nuetral site by the conference and a conference champion will be determined.
Round 3: Rotating annually the 4 major conference champions will face off in a final 4. These games will be played at neutral sites predetermined by the NCAA.
Round 4: The 2 remaing conference champions will play to crown a National Champion at a predetermined neutral site by the NCAA.
Example Round 1:
SEC EAST 1 hosts SEC EAST 2
SEC WEST 1 hosts SEC WEST 2
*All conferences will do the same
Example Round 2:
SEC EAST CHAMP vs SEC WEST CHAMP @ nuetral site
*All conferences will do the same
Example Round 3:
SEC CHAMP vs ACC CHAMP @ nuetral site
BIG10 CHAMP vs BIG12 CHAMP @ nuetral site
*These match up rotate annually and are predetermined before the season begins.
Example Round 4:
CHAMP vs CHAMP for National Championship @ nuetral site

No need for a ranking system that allows for changing criteria or bias to creep in.

Opinions?

 

[livefaith]

You forgot Notre Dame, and it's right to be ranked above all the lesser programs.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

NFL Lite basically.

 

[Woodlawn VOL]

Just stop and enjoy what you got. GBO

 

[Sudden Impact]

A 16 team playoff would fix this vs a 12.

 

[Houstonvol1]

Something like this will likely happen in the future. Doubters of the CFP this year have learned that it has made college football even more exciting. Instead of making the regular season less important as some predicted it has made it more important. You can see where this might lead in the future. At some point you would think it would realign geographically to some extent and then have rotating OOC games as you suggest. As mentioned more like the NFL.

 

[Budalicious]

You forgot Notre Dame, and it's right to be ranked above all the lesser programs.

It’s time to tell ND to get in or out!!!! No one would miss them either fans

 

[ntxVOL]

I believe it's time to get rid of the entire ranking system and go to 4 major conferences of 18 teams each (I know the PAC12 is coming back but honestly it shouldn't). Each conference will be split into 2 divisions of 9 teams each.

Stopped reading here. Who are we adding to the SEC and who exactly gets to decide?

The mouse pays the bills, they aren't going to pony up more money for adding a couple of also rans.

And, where are these also rans going to come from? Another P4 conference? What is that conference then going to do to get to 18 teams?

Finally, there's always been a bias in college football and I will argue that's a good thing. We, the SEC, are in a position of power along with the B1G. You don't want to screw that up with some notion of fairness. College football has NEVER been fair when choosing a champion. We shouldn't do anything that might rock that boat.

 

[Voltopia]

No. Absolutely not. No more teams in the SEC. No more ceding what's left of control of the sport to TV media. No more bloat, no more manufactured corporate rivalries. No more disfiguring what's left of the SEC and college football to attract casuals and satisfy TV advertisers. If people want the NFL, go watch the NFL, and leave college football alone. It's already a hollow shell of what it once was, stop trying to kill it faster. It's going to get there either way.

There's only a handful of teams each year who legitimately look like contenders to begin with. The pre-BCS era mostly - MOSTLY - got it right, with some degree of bias for Yankee schools that the SEC eventually dealt with. The BCS mostly era got it right. The CFP mostly got it right. Every era mostly worked, because there's only a few teams who really stand out each year. All the rest is just shuffling the chairs around those real contenders.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

You're trying to put modern, militaristic order onto college football. Arrange it into neat formations.

But that's not how college football works. It is more chaotic. Power and allegiances slosh around like water in a bucket on the back of a mule-drawn wagon. American college football is more like the old feudal system than any modern organization. Earls and Barons over here and knights over there, and they all kinda sorta work for this or that Duke, but not really because half the time they're plotting to overthrow the dude, and this knight is outranked by that Earl, but the knight is richer, owns more land, has more influence and power, and is in every other way the Earl's superior. One guy can be beholden to two feudal masters, while this other fella has found a way to stay independent of them all. They all kinda hate each other, but enjoy getting together to talk smack about the one who didn't make it.

That's college football. It laughs at your attempts to give it order and logic.

Go Vols!

 

[Vol-in-Atlanta]

I'm pretty sure at least 70% of us (me included) took a look at the length of your post and said "nope" I'm not reading that.

So, you may be right on every point

 

[Woodlawn VOL]

A 16 team playoff would fix this vs a 12.

It doesn’t matter at 16 some would be clamoring for 24. Always going to be folks that want a change. We haven’t even been in this for a year and some folks complaining. I agree 16 would work but how long before the next gripe. I actually preferred going with 8, with no conference tie ends just the top 8 ranked by computer. Keep the obvious biases out of it. I have no problem now even though I think it’s crazy to give mountain west a automatic bid if they aren’t in the top 12. And I don’t like how the committee is big 10 heavy by a mile. Always a segment of folks that aren’t satisfied. GBO

 

[BADGER_VOL]

I'm pretty sure at least 70% of us (me included) took a look at the length of your post and said "nope" I'm not reading that.

So, you may be right on every point

Lmao

And spot on

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

Why do we want to kill the polls and the playoff?

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

A 16 team playoff would fix this vs a 12.

Way too many teams. 8 is plenty.

 

[Tombo7]

Or 68 teams playing to be the best 64, then, your know, kind of round robin the thing till everybody plays everybody else, until the 16 best win three out of five, the eight survivors play each other in a best of seven to determine who plays the winner of Georgia-Alabama side game for the championship.

 

[dovervolz]

A 16 team playoff would fix this vs a 12.

Yeah but you still have those left out fuming. Look at the NCAA's in March. 68 teams and there still some complaining.

 

[BearBryant]

I believe it's time to get rid of the entire ranking system and go to 4 major conferences of 18 teams each (I know the PAC12 is coming back but honestly it shouldn't). Each conference will be split into 2 divisions of 9 teams each.
All teams must play all of their division 4 away and 4 at home on a yearly rotation of home and away. All teams must play 3 teams from the other division rotating so that each team will be played over a 3 year period. These games will alternate home and away. The rotation will be such that a team will have 2 home and 1 away followed by 1 home 2 away the following year. This would be 11 conference games per season.
The remaining regular season game would be given to an instate FCS school and would be played week 1 @ home for all major conference teams.
This ensures all major conference teams play 6 or 7 home games rotating every year. No neutral site games will be played during the regular season unless due to weather or an unforeseen need to move the venue.
Example Year 1:
1 @ home against FCS week 1
4 @ home against division opponents
1 @ home against conference opponent
4 away against division opponents
2 away against conference opponent

Example Year 2:
1 @ home against FCS week 1
4 @ home against division opponents
2 @ home against conference opponent
4 away against division opponents
1 away against conference opponent

The new playoffs:
Every conference and division of the major 4 will use the exact same criteria for deciding internal tie breakers.
Round 1: The top 2 teams of each division will match up with the higher team being the home team and hosting at their home stadium.
Round 2: The 2 divional champions from each conference will match up at a predetermined nuetral site by the conference and a conference champion will be determined.
Round 3: Rotating annually the 4 major conference champions will face off in a final 4. These games will be played at neutral sites predetermined by the NCAA.
Round 4: The 2 remaing conference champions will play to crown a National Champion at a predetermined neutral site by the NCAA.
Example Round 1:
SEC EAST 1 hosts SEC EAST 2
SEC WEST 1 hosts SEC WEST 2
*All conferences will do the same
Example Round 2:
SEC EAST CHAMP vs SEC WEST CHAMP @ nuetral site
*All conferences will do the same
Example Round 3:
SEC CHAMP vs ACC CHAMP @ nuetral site
BIG10 CHAMP vs BIG12 CHAMP @ nuetral site
*These match up rotate annually and are predetermined before the season begins.
Example Round 4:
CHAMP vs CHAMP for National Championship @ nuetral site

No need for a ranking system that allows for changing criteria or bias to creep in.

Opinions?

Why did I read this. Great traditional games need to be played.

 

[feathersax]

OK, I know it's over, but I miss it.

 

[Hunerwadel]

I'm pretty sure at least 70% of us (me included) took a look at the length of your post and said "nope" I'm not reading that.

So, you may be right on every point

Besides. We're VolNation. Our collective attention span is only about 25 seconds.

 

[Firebirdparts]

No number of teams solves anything.

If it was 64 teams, People would just bitch furiously all season about who the 65th team is.

That said, there's never really been any doubt in 100 years that maybe we're wrong and the apparent 5th best team is really THE best. Injuries are a much bigger problem than any eye-test-inaccuracy. This year is the most unpredictable ever, but we'll know a whole lot more after this Saturday.

I would like to see divisions. I really hate that we've gone back to top-team-picked-with-tiebreakers era.

 

[utvols74]

A 16 team playoff would fix this vs a 12.

Do I hear 20....20...? Do I hear 24? Do I hear 24......?

 

[General Jack]

OK, I know it's over, but I miss it.

I was ok with South Carolina and Arkansas... those made sense to me. A&M and Missouri were a little awkward but fine, we made room for them.

Texas and OU, nope, I'll never be good with that... really just Texas. Texas is a cancer and the SEC will be infected thanks to the relentless money grab.

 

[feathersax]

I was ok with South Carolina and Arkansas... those made sense to me. A&M and Missouri were a little awkward but fine, we made room for them.

Texas and OU, nope, I'll never be good with that... really just Texas. Texas is a cancer and the SEC will be infected thanks to the relentless money grab.

Truer words were never spoken. Georgia must beat Texas or the SEC will become a cesspool.

 

[Sarms58]

I believe it's time to get rid of the entire ranking system and go to 4 major conferences of 18 teams each (I know the PAC12 is coming back but honestly it shouldn't). Each conference will be split into 2 divisions of 9 teams each.
All teams must play all of their division 4 away and 4 at home on a yearly rotation of home and away. All teams must play 3 teams from the other division rotating so that each team will be played over a 3 year period. These games will alternate home and away. The rotation will be such that a team will have 2 home and 1 away followed by 1 home 2 away the following year. This would be 11 conference games per season.
The remaining regular season game would be given to an instate FCS school and would be played week 1 @ home for all major conference teams.
This ensures all major conference teams play 6 or 7 home games rotating every year. No neutral site games will be played during the regular season unless due to weather or an unforeseen need to move the venue.
Example Year 1:
1 @ home against FCS week 1
4 @ home against division opponents
1 @ home against conference opponent
4 away against division opponents
2 away against conference opponent

Example Year 2:
1 @ home against FCS week 1
4 @ home against division opponents
2 @ home against conference opponent
4 away against division opponents
1 away against conference opponent

The new playoffs:
Every conference and division of the major 4 will use the exact same criteria for deciding internal tie breakers.
Round 1: The top 2 teams of each division will match up with the higher team being the home team and hosting at their home stadium.
Round 2: The 2 divional champions from each conference will match up at a predetermined nuetral site by the conference and a conference champion will be determined.
Round 3: Rotating annually the 4 major conference champions will face off in a final 4. These games will be played at neutral sites predetermined by the NCAA.
Round 4: The 2 remaing conference champions will play to crown a National Champion at a predetermined neutral site by the NCAA.
Example Round 1:
SEC EAST 1 hosts SEC EAST 2
SEC WEST 1 hosts SEC WEST 2
*All conferences will do the same
Example Round 2:
SEC EAST CHAMP vs SEC WEST CHAMP @ nuetral site
*All conferences will do the same
Example Round 3:
SEC CHAMP vs ACC CHAMP @ nuetral site
BIG10 CHAMP vs BIG12 CHAMP @ nuetral site
*These match up rotate annually and are predetermined before the season begins.
Example Round 4:
CHAMP vs CHAMP for National Championship @ nuetral site

No need for a ranking system that allows for changing criteria or bias to creep in.

Opinions?

We’ll get there but I doubt we’ll have 72 teams in this new semipro division. I think you’ll have somewhere between 36-48 teams who choose (get selected really) to play FOOTBALL ONLY in a new ncaa division. The SEC and B10 would put most of their teams in but probably not Vandy, Kentucky, Northwestern, and maybe Purdue. It won’t be a new conference so Notre Dame will be in…those not in would compete in the lower league. Not saying I think it’s good but it’s the way we’re heading…once the players move past NIL compensation and start being truly paid to play (employees) the number of teams who can stay afloat will be reduced and we’ll have a Semi pro league.