Hypocritical UT Administration

[creekdipper]

Numerous news reports from the first of this month (Nov. '23) quote UT official spokespeople saying a UT professor made remarks during classes which, according to UT's own determination, were "antisemitic." The official statement said that there was "no place" on the UT campus for such remarks and that they would not be tolerated. The accounts said that officials has "addressed" their concerns with the professor and that the matter was "being handled internally."

That was the last information I can find about the incident nearly two weeks later. It would appear that the matter has been quietly swept under the rug.

Contrast that with the very public rejection of an incoming student's admission acceptance (including her place on the cheer team, a long-standing dream goal of hers) just a few years ago. Her crime: one casual word commonly used as a friendly term of address said to a friend in a six-second, excited video sent after getting her learner's permit at age fifteen. Despite her apology at the time (apparently accepted by minority friends, school administrators, etc.) and her public advocacy for Black Lives Matter policies at age 18, the university deemed her "offense" of using a rap term to be intolerable.

So an outstanding student who got caught imitating pop culture as a 15-year-old high school freshman has committed an unpardonable sin for which there is no possible redemption. Her existence on campus would be an intolerable stain that would corrupt and infect the entire university system.

Meanwhile, a grown professor makes multiple antisemitic remarks during class. The repercussion? Who knows?

Great moral example of consistent standards set and applied by the university. Some important lessons to be learned here.

 

[davethevol]

Because it is a public institution, they need to be held accountable for this. That double standard can’t be allowed to stand.

 

[hog88]

Because it is a public institution, they need to be held accountable for this. That double standard can’t be allowed to stand.

But it will stand.

 

[EasternVol]

It would be good to know what exactly the professor said. It's odd that apparently nobody has come forward with the details. As it stands now there may or may not be anything to the allegation.

 

[n_huffhines]

Numerous news reports from the first of this month (Nov. '23) quote UT official spokespeople saying a UT professor made remarks during classes which, according to UT's own determination, were "antisemitic." The official statement said that there was "no place" on the UT campus for such remarks and that they would not be tolerated. The accounts said that officials has "addressed" their concerns with the professor and that the matter was "being handled internally."

That was the last information I can find about the incident nearly two weeks later. It would appear that the matter has been quietly swept under the rug.

Contrast that with the very public rejection of an incoming student's admission acceptance (including her place on the cheer team, a long-standing dream goal of hers) just a few years ago. Her crime: one casual word commonly used as a friendly term of address said to a friend in a six-second, excited video sent after getting her learner's permit at age fifteen. Despite her apology at the time (apparently accepted by minority friends, school administrators, etc.) and her public advocacy for Black Lives Matter policies at age 18, the university deemed her "offense" of using a rap term to be intolerable.

So an outstanding student who got caught imitating pop culture as a 15-year-old high school freshman has committed an unpardonable sin for which there is no possible redemption. Her existence on campus would be an intolerable stain that would corrupt and infect the entire university system.

Meanwhile, a grown professor makes multiple antisemitic remarks during class. The repercussion? Who knows?

Great moral example of consistent standards set and applied by the university. Some important lessons to be learned here.

What were the remarks? If the professor used a slur, then yeah, disciplinary action is merited. Volnation politics forum is filled with people who think "from the river to the sea" is antisemitic, so let's hear the actual facts. Interestingly and unsurprisingly, the people on the right are every bit as sensitive as people on the left.

BTW, nothing about what UT did was public with the cheerleader, as I recall. Optics matter a ton. It's not always about justice. Institutions naturally care about how they're seen and nobody has this professor on video using a slur.

 

[davethevol]

What were the remarks? If the professor used a slur, then yeah, disciplinary action is merited. Volnation politics forum is filled with people who think "from the river to the sea" is antisemitic, so let's hear the actual facts.

BTW, nothing about what UT did was public with the cheerleader, as I recall.

The cheerleader incident was a national news story.

 

[n_huffhines]

The cheerleader incident was a national news story.

Not because of what UT did. It was a national story because of the NY Times before UT ever took action, if I'm remembering right.

 

[85SugarVol]

What were the remarks? If the professor used a slur, then yeah, disciplinary action is merited. Volnation politics forum is filled with people who think "from the river to the sea" is antisemitic, so let's hear the actual facts. Interestingly and unsurprisingly, the people on the right are every bit as sensitive as people on the left.

BTW, nothing about what UT did was public with the cheerleader, as I recall.

Someone ask Huff if he can read

UT official spokespeople saying a UT professor made remarks during classes which, according to UT's own determination, were "antisemitic."

And lol at more of “the people making inflammatory comments about Israel & Israelis will decide if what they, themselves, are saying is anti-Semitic - not the ADL, or actual Jewish community”. Gtfoh with that.

 

[creekdipper]

Not because of what UT did. It was a national story because of the NY Times before UT ever took action, if I'm remembering right.

UT released a public statement re: the story. They didn't mention the name of the student, but her identity was already publicized nationally. No one disputed which student the school's statement was aimed toward.

As for the professor, the school never said what remarks were made; however, they indicated that the remarks qualified as antisemitic under their guidelines. The strong statement (similar to the press release about the student case) as well as saying that they were "adressing" their "concerns" with the professor and "handling the matter internally" is the type of language the university uses when their investigation has found substance behind allegations.

They may still take some action and/or release a public statement showing that they are serious about employee accountability (they have cited privacy regs thus far), but it would still be a very slow process compared to the instant cancellation of the student for her momentary youthful indiscretion.

 

[n_huffhines]

"The university has addressed concerns about a class lecture that included several comments by the instructor that fall within the scope of the working definition of antisemitism developed by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance on May 26, 2016."

Their working definition has lots of examples, many valid, but also including:

• Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.

So again, it'd be nice to know the actual facts about what was said. Imagine thinking it's racist to say an American policy is fascist.

 

[creekdipper]

I think all agree that we'd like to know the facts so we could make our own determination.

In the case of the student, we know exactly what she said and the response of the university.

 

[TNVOLNAVY]

Numerous news reports from the first of this month (Nov. '23) quote UT official spokespeople saying a UT professor made remarks during classes which, according to UT's own determination, were "antisemitic." The official statement said that there was "no place" on the UT campus for such remarks and that they would not be tolerated. The accounts said that officials has "addressed" their concerns with the professor and that the matter was "being handled internally."

That was the last information I can find about the incident nearly two weeks later. It would appear that the matter has been quietly swept under the rug.

Contrast that with the very public rejection of an incoming student's admission acceptance (including her place on the cheer team, a long-standing dream goal of hers) just a few years ago. Her crime: one casual word commonly used as a friendly term of address said to a friend in a six-second, excited video sent after getting her learner's permit at age fifteen. Despite her apology at the time (apparently accepted by minority friends, school administrators, etc.) and her public advocacy for Black Lives Matter policies at age 18, the university deemed her "offense" of using a rap term to be intolerable.

So an outstanding student who got caught imitating pop culture as a 15-year-old high school freshman has committed an unpardonable sin for which there is no possible redemption. Her existence on campus would be an intolerable stain that would corrupt and infect the entire university system.

Meanwhile, a grown professor makes multiple antisemitic remarks during class. The repercussion? Who knows?

Great moral example of consistent standards set and applied by the university. Some important lessons to be learned here.

You do know there are new unwritten rules for dealing with White folk.

California middle schooler banned from sports over 'blackface,' but group says it was just eye paint

A California middle school student was recently suspended and barred from attending future sporting events after being accused of wearing blackface at a football game.

www.foxnews.com

 

[85SugarVol]

"The university has addressed concerns about a class lecture that included several comments by the instructor that fall within the scope of the working definition of antisemitism developed by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance on May 26, 2016."

Their working definition has lots of examples, many valid, but also including:

• Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.

So again, it'd be nice to know the actual facts about what was said. Imagine thinking it's racist to say an American policy is fascist.

So again - “We’ll decide if what we are saying is anti-Semitic, not the Jewish community”

That looks to be drawn directly from International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance.

• Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.

It doesn’t say you can’t criticize Israel.
It doesn’t say you can’t compare Israel to fascist states.

It says that if you are comparing Israel (the Jewish State) specifically to the Nazis - you are engaging in anti-Semitic behavior. Which should be pretty easy to understand.

But Huff & the apologists say F the IHRA - what the hell would they know about anti-Semitism.

 

[85SugarVol]

Here’s the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance working definition.

What is antisemitism?

With the IHRA working definition of antisemitism, the IHRA built international consensus around an answer to the question, what does antisemitism mean?

holocaustremembrance.com

I’ll sum up:

“I don’t agree with Israel’s policies” - A Ok
“Israel is killing innocent civilians” - A Ok
“I see Israel as a fascist state at this point” - A Ok

“Israel are pretty much Nazis” - Not Ok

There is no reason to really compare any state, much less the Jewish state, to the Nazis (unless they’ve constructed purpose built human slaughterhouses across an entire continent).

The only reason people compare Israel to Nazis is to generate anger and hate - and that is anti-Semitic.

 

[creekdipper]

You do know there are new unwritten rules for dealing with White folk.

California middle schooler banned from sports over 'blackface,' but group says it was just eye paint

A California middle school student was recently suspended and barred from attending future sporting events after being accused of wearing blackface at a football game.

www.foxnews.com

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But what if the predominant school uniform color is black? Purple, blue, orange, white, red...okay (well, maybe not red). Black...racist!

How does brownface rate? Is it a no-no in Cleveland?